Pathfinder Pathfinder: Kingmaker - Enhanced Plus Edition - now with turn-based combat

[Whisper]

Starting new run, will share impressions.

 

[Desiderius]

It's going to be rough at first. You can use this to maximize EXP in Tutorial Area:

https://steamcommunity.com/app/640820/discussions/7/1630790506920383184/

You can even adjust it in the middle of the Final dialogue so Amiri gets it too, but if you're not playing Amiri don't bother.

 

[Infinitron]

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[razvedchiki]

I guess things like monk wis bonus working with shield, Crane Wing+ working with offhand busy, Magic Vestment spell and a few others, I'm sure.

magic vestment is fixed in call of the wild mod.

 

[Reinhardt]

Is it playable?

 

[NJClaw]

Is it playable?

Always has been.

 

[Haplo]

Hmm, not sure how much min-max or lore friendliness is expected. And what are your favorite classes.
And whether you want enemy Intimidation to be a part of the build or not (I've assumed not - and someone else will - so took Shatter Defenses).
And whether you're okay with robes, or prefer steel.
Anyhow how about this:

Freebooter Cleaver for Desiderius and Whisper

Lawful Alignment for monk dip. Lawful Good for +5AC Protector robes would be nice.
Assuming a human:
Str: 17+5
Dex: 14
Con: 12
Int: 14
Wis: 16
Cha: 7

Lvl 1: Freebooter: /Freebooter's Bane +1/; Power Attack; Combat Reflexes
Lvl 2: Freebooter: Combat Style - Two-Handed: Cleave
Lvl 3: Freebooter: Cleaving Finish
Lvl 4: Freebooter: /Free: Freebooter's Bond/
Lvl 5: Freebooter: /Freebooter's Bane +2/; Outflank
Lvl 6: Freebooter: Combat Style - Two-Handed: Great Cleave
Lvl 7: Traditional Monk: Improved Cleaving Finish; Monk Bonus: Crane Style
Lvl 8: Sword Saint: /Free: Weapon Focus: Greataxe or Bastard Sword/
Lvl 9: Thug: Dazzling Display
Lvl 10: Thug: Combat Trick: Improved Critical Greataxe or Bastard Sword
Lvl 11: Thug: /Brutal Beating/ Shatter Defenses
Lvl 12: Thug: /Debilitating Injury, Uncanny Dodge/; Combat Trick: Vital Strike
Lvl 13: Sword Saint: Improved Vital Strike
Lvl 14: Sword Saint: /Magus Arcana: Arcane Accuracy/
Lvl 15: Sword Saint: /Perfect Strike/Critical; Mirror Image/; Blind Fight
Lvl 16: Freebooter
Lvl 17: Freebooter: Seize the Moment
Lvl 18: Freebooter
Lvl 19: Freebooter: /Freebooter's Bane +3/; Greater Vital Strike; Combat Style: Two Handed: Critical Focus
Lvl 20: Freebooter: /Quarry and 1 2nd level spell slot/ OR could do Monk2 with Bonus Feat

Important spells:
Ranger Spells: Lead Blades
Sword Saint spells: Mirror Image, Enlarge, Shield, True Strike (with Lesser Quicken Rod).
Liberal use of Lesser Extend Rod advised.

Rationale for Thug: If someone in the party is Intimidating the enemies (or they are "flanked"), with Great Cleave they get aoe debuffed with Debilitating Injury and Brutal Beating (Sickened). Plus Uncanny Dodge does wonders for survivability. I guess a variant could be made to make this char use Intimidation... but having the enemies run away when you want to Cleave them would suck.

Rationale for Sword Saint: Mainly Perfect Strike & Perfect Critical. A great fit for Vital Strike. The Arcane Pool might be shallow (late game with Int boosting items about 8 AP), but that's still enough to down a few bosses with some lucky Greater Vital Strike crits. Personally I enjoy big numbers. Also a boon defensively: Canny Defense will add +4 AC, can self buff with the almighty Mirror Image (twice with end game items and 22 Int), Shield, Enlarge. Rod Quickened True Strike to nova bosses. Can use wands - in fact liberal use of Mage Armor and Cat's Grace wands is recommended until you get better items.

 

[razvedchiki]

is cleave for classes with full BaB worth it?

 

[Desiderius]

Classes with an essential Move Action, yes. But good question

Want to hit as hard as possible with each swing. AoOs also good.

I don’t worry as much as Hap about D because I’m playing with a full group and you hang back with the first Bane before Charging in.

Mine does die more than other toons when I get sloppy.

 

[Desiderius]

Pretty sure Whisper is just setting us up, but thx for the build. Thug Cleave is pretty hilarious.

He likes killing things at range so he’s probably not too worried about Fear. I used it a lot in that Ranged Slayer (Sniper) MC playthrough.

 

[Whisper]

Not setting up, trying to survive. Even have to resort to use Guidance (+1 attack, free) pre-buff. A lot of misses.

But it is playable, not sure how far i will get.

 

[Whisper]

Pretty sure Whisper is just setting us up, but thx for the build. Thug Cleave is pretty hilarious.

He likes killing things at range so he’s probably not too worried about Fear. I used it a lot in that Ranged Slayer (Sniper) MC playthrough.

How would you advise to build freebooter Barbgirl companion? She has 13 Dex, eh. A bit low.

 

[Whisper]

Pretty sure Whisper is just setting us up, but thx for the build. Thug Cleave is pretty hilarious.

He likes killing things at range so he’s probably not too worried about Fear. I used it a lot in that Ranged Slayer (Sniper) MC playthrough.

First discovery, marking targets work only for Slayer (and Freebooter works for whole group)..

 

[Yosharian]

Hmm, not sure how much min-max or lore friendliness is expected. And what are your favorite classes.
And whether you want enemy Intimidation to be a part of the build or not (I've assumed not - and someone else will - so took Shatter Defenses).
And whether you're okay with robes, or prefer steel.
Anyhow how about this:

Freebooter Cleaver for Desiderius and Whisper

Lawful Alignment for monk dip. Lawful Good for +5AC Protector robes would be nice.
Assuming a human:
Str: 17+5
Dex: 14
Con: 12
Int: 14
Wis: 16
Cha: 7

Lvl 1: Freebooter: /Freebooter's Bane +1/; Power Attack; Combat Reflexes
Lvl 2: Freebooter: Combat Style - Two-Handed: Cleave
Lvl 3: Freebooter: Cleaving Finish
Lvl 4: Freebooter: /Free: Freebooter's Bond/
Lvl 5: Freebooter: /Freebooter's Bane +2/; Outflank
Lvl 6: Freebooter: Combat Style - Two-Handed: Great Cleave
Lvl 7: Traditional Monk: Improved Cleaving Finish; Monk Bonus: Crane Style
Lvl 8: Sword Saint: /Free: Weapon Focus: Greataxe or Bastard Sword/
Lvl 9: Thug: Dazzling Display
Lvl 10: Thug: Combat Trick: Improved Critical Greataxe or Bastard Sword
Lvl 11: Thug: /Brutal Beating/ Shatter Defenses
Lvl 12: Thug: /Debilitating Injury, Uncanny Dodge/; Combat Trick: Vital Strike
Lvl 13: Sword Saint: Improved Vital Strike
Lvl 14: Sword Saint: /Magus Arcana: Arcane Accuracy/
Lvl 15: Sword Saint: /Perfect Strike/Critical; Mirror Image/; Blind Fight
Lvl 16: Freebooter
Lvl 17: Freebooter: Seize the Moment
Lvl 18: Freebooter
Lvl 19: Freebooter: /Freebooter's Bane +3/; Greater Vital Strike; Combat Style: Two Handed: Critical Focus
Lvl 20: Freebooter: /Quarry and 1 2nd level spell slot/ OR could do Monk2 with Bonus Feat

Important spells:
Ranger Spells: Lead Blades
Sword Saint spells: Mirror Image, Enlarge, Shield, True Strike (with Lesser Quicken Rod).
Liberal use of Lesser Extend Rod advised.

Rationale for Thug: If someone in the party is Intimidating the enemies (or they are "flanked"), with Great Cleave they get aoe debuffed with Debilitating Injury and Brutal Beating (Sickened). Plus Uncanny Dodge does wonders for survivability. I guess a variant could be made to make this char use Intimidation... but having the enemies run away when you want to Cleave them would suck.

Rationale for Sword Saint: Mainly Perfect Strike & Perfect Critical. A great fit for Vital Strike. The Arcane Pool might be shallow (late game with Int boosting items about 8 AP), but that's still enough to down a few bosses with some lucky Greater Vital Strike crits. Personally I enjoy big numbers. Also a boon defensively: Canny Defense will add +4 AC, can self buff with the almighty Mirror Image (twice with end game items and 22 Int), Shield, Enlarge. Rod Quickened True Strike to nova bosses. Can use wands - in fact liberal use of Mage Armor and Cat's Grace wands is recommended until you get better items.

Sword Saint spell progression is heavily delayed. You might want to check if you actually get Mirror Image at 4th level

 

[Desiderius]

Pretty sure Whisper is just setting us up, but thx for the build. Thug Cleave is pretty hilarious.

He likes killing things at range so he’s probably not too worried about Fear. I used it a lot in that Ranged Slayer (Sniper) MC playthrough.

First discovery, marking targets work only for Slayer (and Freebooter works for whole group)..

But marking happens automatically with sneaks and becomes a swift action at lvl 7 while Bane is always Move Action.

 

[Desiderius]

Sword Saint spell progression is heavily delayed. You might want to check if you actually get Mirror Image at 4th level

No more than Inquisitor or Bard. Second lvl spells at lvl 4.

 

[NJClaw]

Sword Saint spell progression is heavily delayed. You might want to check if you actually get Mirror Image at 4th level

No more than Inquisitor or Bard. Second lvl spells at lvl 4.

I think he is pointing out that a Sword Saint has fewer slots than the base Magus. At level 4 he should have 0 level 2 slots, so he would need at least Int 14 (already covered by the build) to be able to cast Mirror Image at least once per day.

 

[Desiderius]

Pretty sure Whisper is just setting us up, but thx for the build. Thug Cleave is pretty hilarious.

He likes killing things at range so he’s probably not too worried about Fear. I used it a lot in that Ranged Slayer (Sniper) MC playthrough.

How would you advise to build freebooter Barbgirl companion? She has 13 Dex, eh. A bit low.

I take her straight up to Freebooter 10 to get +3/+3 Bane, Dreadful Carnage via Combat Style (skipping Dazzling Display/Weapon Focus), and a Third Level spell. Then Barb 2 for Rage Power of your choice and Uncanny Dodge. After that there are several directions you can go. I wouldn’t try SS with her INT. Hap is kind of a SS fanatic.

The extra speed from Barb1 combined with Longstrider from Booter4 gives her a great Charge range.

 

[Desiderius]

As for DEX you can bump it up to 14 at lvl 4. There are a lot of + DEX items and she can cast Cat’s Grace if you want. Troll Castle Med Armor works well on her, but she’s currently wearing Lt Armor from Ekun’s Companion quest.

She doesn’t get armor training so isn’t going to benefit from big DEX anyway. Fight two-handed with Enlarge and/or Reach and she should stay out of harm’s way.

 

[LannTheStupid]

As a Freebooter Amiri is surprisingly useful. Casting something in the very first round prevents her A.I. from suicidal rushes, she does not need to care about weapon specializations - and with Freebooter's Bond she is actually quite an asset for the party - despite her character, stats and personal story.

I haven't checked if the Bond works for the summons, though.

 

[Doktor Best]

As clunky and buggy as the turnbased mode is in its current state, man is it great to fight the bigger battles in tb mode. Switching back to rtwp in mindless trashfights is also cool to reduce combat time.

I'd never have imagined saying this after playing Arcanum, but this hybrid mode combat system might be the future for infinity style games going forward.

I stuck with kingdom management for now but set it to normal difficulty. Rest is on challenging preset.

 

[Desiderius]

As a Freebooter Amiri is surprisingly useful. Casting something in the very first round prevents her A.I. from suicidal rushes, she does not need to care about weapon specializations - and with Freebooter's Bond she is actually quite an asset for the party - despite her character, stats and personal story.

I haven't checked if the Bond works for the summons, though.

Bane does.

If you really want to go off make her a Straight Barb with Inspire Ferocity and Freebooter MC. Fun with CMs.

 

[LannTheStupid]

Bane does.

Well, Bane "sticks" to the target, so it kind of should work for all attackers. I meant if Amiri casts Bond after all the summons are on the field, will it boost them, too? Again - not by "logic" or rules, but as implemented in this particular game.

 

[Desiderius]

Unfortunately it doesn't. I remember being very disappointed by this reality in the Varnhold DLC where the companions seemed designed around that very interaction. As Whisper pointed out you can't buff summons, although for some reason Prayer does affect them.

 

[Yosharian]

You need to actually CHECK. Sword Saint suffers a two level delay in its spell progression compared to magus

Addendum: (I meant with 2nd-level slots, not all spell slots)