Pathfinder Pathfinder: Kingmaker - Enhanced Plus Edition - now with turn-based combat

[Desiderius]

I for real have trouble understanding people having trouble keeping him alive, he has every defensive spell in the book, he gets Heavy Armor, his Cloak gives him basically immunity to everything, and he stands around like an idiot for five seconds whenever he uses SpellStrike which lets the mobs engage other melee.

People have trouble keeping him alive BEFORE he gets a full plate and his cloak. Or at least I assume so. I chalk it up to people generally being unable to use buffs properly and manage aggro.

He already starts getting tanky with medium armor and level 3 spells.

It's funny that with how Spellstrike works that if you leave Touch of Fatigue on auto-attack (right click it) he'll just stand there for a round casting his spell then move the next round and attack with the "charged" weapon, then only get the full attack in round three. Since I didn't even start trying to play him until I was already good at the game that often meant he never got hit much because everything was already dead.

I can see how Hap ended up just giving up on Spellstrike altogether. In retrospect probably best to Charge into position then get your Full Attack (including Spellstrike) off the next round, but that could leave him more vulnerable to getting ganked if you're not careful.

 

[Mr. Magniloquent]

The Magus is definitely unwieldy in a real-time environment. The time I tried Regongar he felt static in a sea of motion.

 

[Desiderius]

He comes with Combat Casting which makes everything somewhat smoother. I think once you figure out the Move/Standard/Full Action thing it can work, you just have to actually cast his protection spells.

 

[~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸-AIN'T]

The Magus is definitely unwieldy in a real-time environment. The time I tried Regongar he felt static in a sea of motion.

Having just finished a magus run in turn based, it's definitely the class that feels the best turn based as opposed to RTwP. Even once you figure out how to optimize a magus moment to moment in RTwP it was always a bit too micro-y for my tastes. That is of course until you can just switch on enduring bane weapon and go to town on fools.

 

[Desiderius]

He can make his weapon +3 by level 5 which bypasses DR/Silver so....

He's never really bad. Once you get the hang of it it's not that hard, but unfortunately the big damage for STR-based is in two-handing so it's hard to stick with the plan.

 

[Rieser]

I'm really enjoying the seamless transition between turn-based and real-time. With the varying difficulty of encounters in the game it's nice to able to just breeze through trash mobs in real-time and then switch to turn-based for "proper" fights.

 

[Reinhardt]

So if i want to play it today which mods are mandatory?

 

[coldcrow]

Cleaner to prevent savefile bloating. And I'd recommend a camera rotation mod.
After that it's up to you. Not sure if the Pnp-rules mod has been updated, it disables much of the easymode rules adaptions, like easy flanking, ranged sneak attacks on flanked targets etc.

 

[Desiderius]

So if i want to play it today which mods are mandatory?

None

 

[Reinhardt]

Not even romances?

 

[ERYFKRAD]

Not even romances?

Warum nicht they have got you covered.

 

[Max Damage]

So if i want to play it today which mods are mandatory?

https://www.nexusmods.com/pathfinderkingmaker/mods/127?tab=posts - without this you will have to wait forever until Grease or Web disappears after combat, along with Entangle and other area effect spells with long duration.

 

[Reinhardt]

You broke nexusmods. Why?

 

[Grunker]

So if i want to play it today which mods are mandatory?

If you love the game for its character customization I can heartily support the respec mod so you have six full characters to toy around with (that is, if you care about companions). Just make sure to set bounderies for yourself and play on a hard difficulty. If you go all out munch on 6 characters you're gonna be bored to death.

I also used the cheat menu once for some bug

 

[Reinhardt]

If you love the game for its character customization I can heartily support the respec mods so you have six full characters to toy around with (that is, if you care about companions).

Been there, done that.

I think i'll respec Tristiana into woman. At least then maybe i won't kill her on sight. And she needed for Nyrissa romance.

 

[Desiderius]

So if i want to play it today which mods are mandatory?

https://www.nexusmods.com/pathfinderkingmaker/mods/127?tab=posts - without this you will have to wait forever until Grease or Web disappears after combat, along with Entangle and other area effect spells with long duration.

Those spells suck anyway.

 

[Grunker]

So if i want to play it today which mods are mandatory?

https://www.nexusmods.com/pathfinderkingmaker/mods/127?tab=posts - without this you will have to wait forever until Grease or Web disappears after combat, along with Entangle and other area effect spells with long duration.

Those spells suck anyway.

Yeah but it's pretty punishing to activate a trap and have the real punishment being waiting for a couple of hours before the duration runs out

 

[Desiderius]

Character customization mods make the game actively worse. The stats are a little unusual but perfectly serviceable and interesting to build around. You’ll beat 95% of builds out there by keeping them all in their original classes and can easily handle any difficulty that way up to Unfair, though whatever you do with companions your best experience will be starting on Challenging and kicking it up once you feel like you’ve mastered things.

 

[Desiderius]

So if i want to play it today which mods are mandatory?

https://www.nexusmods.com/pathfinderkingmaker/mods/127?tab=posts - without this you will have to wait forever until Grease or Web disappears after combat, along with Entangle and other area effect spells with long duration.

Those spells suck anyway.

Yeah but it's pretty punishing to activate a trap and have the real punishment being waiting for a couple of hours before the duration runs out

Then your Perception sux.

Git gud

 

[Max Damage]

Free AoOs and disabling enemies suck?

 

[Desiderius]

Poor DC that doesn’t scale and no way to make your own team immune (unlike difficult terrain spells like Stone Call or enemies only spells like Slow).

 

[Grunker]

So if i want to play it today which mods are mandatory?

https://www.nexusmods.com/pathfinderkingmaker/mods/127?tab=posts - without this you will have to wait forever until Grease or Web disappears after combat, along with Entangle and other area effect spells with long duration.

Those spells suck anyway.

Yeah but it's pretty punishing to activate a trap and have the real punishment being waiting for a couple of hours before the duration runs out

Then your Perception sux.

Git gud

How did I know you would apologize even for this design lol

 

[Desiderius]

Free AoOs and disabling enemies suck?

What’s free about them? After about lvl five they suck, yes, and before that they’re a pain because they’re not enemy only. My toons aren’t getting hit much anyway and summons/difficult terrain/Slow/metanukes are a better way of handling large numbers.

Pit spells have the same problems but there at least your DC goes up.

 

[Desiderius]

So if i want to play it today which mods are mandatory?

https://www.nexusmods.com/pathfinderkingmaker/mods/127?tab=posts - without this you will have to wait forever until Grease or Web disappears after combat, along with Entangle and other area effect spells with long duration.

Those spells suck anyway.

Yeah but it's pretty punishing to activate a trap and have the real punishment being waiting for a couple of hours before the duration runs out

Then your Perception sux.

Git gud

How did I know you would apologize even for this design lol

Go fuck yourself. I’ve been very forthright about the game’s shortcomings and yeah the duration on these spells is stupid. It just doesn’t come up much because they’re ineffective. At the level where they’d be decent you only get a couple casts per rest and on higher levels you’ve got better options.

People who spend the whole game spamming shitty low level spells or never getting around to getting their crucial skills to a decent level are playing some imaginary game in their head, not this one.

 

[Max Damage]

Poor DC that doesn’t scale and no way to make your own team immune (unlike difficult terrain spells like Stone Call or enemies only spells like Slow).

First D&D game? Slow is 3rd level spell, no duh it's better against poor will save. You're selling long duration short, and even if these spells fail they still succeed in slowing approach, which is great against crowds.