Pathfinder Pathfinder: Kingmaker - Enhanced Plus Edition - now with turn-based combat

[Darth Canoli]

BareMaidens.com servers are now down due to a massive amount of simultaneous connections, thanks to you...

 

[BING XI LAO]

however the magical ability to cause panic in seasoned veterans

I care little for the specific line of argument or rules details here but doesn't Dazzling Display only inflict shaken, which is two rungs below panicked?

Hence why I included a level of Thug, which allows you to cause Frightened i.e.: "see me flash my sword, you run away as far as you can, regardless of strength both in physique and numbers." I don't mind it, obviously, it's just one of Kingmaker's many great options for fighters that are more than auto-attacking. And one of a very huge number of non-supernatural elements that are very hard to explain for someone who cries "muh realism" at gals in plate armour. So hard one has to the bizarre rationalizations we've seen thus far

I'm glad then that I for one didn't pursue the realism argument. If anything the problem is the reverse: fantasy should exaggerate the differences between men and women, old and young, wizard and warrior, good and evil, etc. Not abrade them!

 

[mediocrepoet]

Seriously. Everyone knows that female warrior types are only the dreams of SJW cucks and have no place in proper fantasy.

Spoiler

I mean, this shit is only a recent development by basement dwelling virgins, not Chad real men that know biology and how it works.

Spoiler

I mean, you'd never find art like this in any based fantasy books that the SJWs are trying to shut down.

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Etc.

tl;dr Some of you guys are really retarded. And pathetic.

 

[Stavrophore]

Im in the troll troubles chapter and can't find the goblin village. I've already scoured the appropriate area, visited bridge gudrun river etc. Do i have to progress further in the plot?

 

[NJClaw]

mediocrepoet remove everything after the ".jpg" to upload pictures from wikis

 

[The_Mask]

Im in the troll troubles chapter and can't find the goblin village. I've already scoured the appropriate area, visited bridge gudrun river etc. Do i have to progress further in the plot?

Should you be finding the Goblin Village? And if you should, what is your highest Perception score out of all those characters you're sporting?

 

[BING XI LAO]

Seriously. Everyone knows that female warrior types are only the dreams of SJW cucks and have no place in proper fantasy.
tl;dr Some of you guys are really retarded. And pathetic.

Lol at your Marvel capeshit. What a dumb faggot.

 

[mediocrepoet]

mediocrepoet remove everything after the ".jpg" to upload pictures from wikis

I think that got it. Thanks, man. I never pretended not to be old.

 

[mediocrepoet]

Seriously. Everyone knows that female warrior types are only the dreams of SJW cucks and have no place in proper fantasy.
tl;dr Some of you guys are really retarded. And pathetic.

Lol at your Marvel capeshit. What a dumb faggot.

Sure, also Kitiara from DragonLance. Look, I spent like 2 minutes bringing up shit from the 70s and 80s. There's a ton more in the history of the genre which you'd know if you weren't pants on head retarded.

 

[NJClaw]

Seriously. Everyone knows that female warrior types are only the dreams of SJW cucks and have no place in proper fantasy.
tl;dr Some of you guys are really retarded. And pathetic.

Lol at your Marvel capeshit. What a dumb faggot.

Marvel capeshit

Marvel capeshit

 

[mediocrepoet]

Only the most sexually frustrated MRA loser could look at fantasy art from the 80s and earlier with the boobplate and half naked chicks with giant swords that is so "problematic" these days and conclude: omg SJW agendaz!

But hey, you do you.

 

[BING XI LAO]

Seriously. Everyone knows that female warrior types are only the dreams of SJW cucks and have no place in proper fantasy.
tl;dr Some of you guys are really retarded. And pathetic.

Lol at your Marvel capeshit. What a dumb faggot.

Sure, also Kitiara from DragonLance. Look, I spent like 2 minutes bringing up shit from the 70s and 80s. There's a ton more in the history of the genre which you'd know if you weren't pants on head retarded.

It's because I'm not retarded that I don't remember anything about Dragonlance (I don't even remember whether or not I've read it) and don't think about Marvel comics.
But even within these examples, Red Sonja is granted magical power to be strong enough to fight, which is a far cry from the total normalisation of woman warriors that we now have.

 

[mediocrepoet]

Seriously. Everyone knows that female warrior types are only the dreams of SJW cucks and have no place in proper fantasy.
tl;dr Some of you guys are really retarded. And pathetic.

Lol at your Marvel capeshit. What a dumb faggot.

Sure, also Kitiara from DragonLance. Look, I spent like 2 minutes bringing up shit from the 70s and 80s. There's a ton more in the history of the genre which you'd know if you weren't pants on head retarded.

It's because I'm not retarded that I don't remember anything about Dragonlance (I don't even remember whether or not I've read it) and don't think about Marvel comics.
But even within these examples, Red Sonja is granted magical power to be strong enough to fight, which is a far cry from the total normalisation of woman warriors that we now have.

Pro-tip: Do a Google image search on "boob plate". It'll change your life.

 

[gurugeorge]

Seriously. Everyone knows that female warrior types are only the dreams of SJW cucks and have no place in proper fantasy.

Spoiler

I mean, this shit is only a recent development by basement dwelling virgins, not Chad real men that know biology and how it works.

Spoiler

I mean, you'd never find art like this in any based fantasy books that the SJWs are trying to shut down.

Spoiler

Etc.

tl;dr Some of you guys are really retarded. And pathetic.

You're missing the point. The reason for having females in our thing has shifted. They were in there right from the beginning in nerd stuff, sure, but that's because nerds wanted to see tiddies. Also, females were conceived as possibly equal and companionable with the hero, but seldom superior (or if they were superior that was because they were on another level, like a goddess or something).

That has shifted to women being included to shore up a particular Narrative, which often means they have to be better than men even at men's things. Male heroes generally play a subordinate or comical role, or if they're allowed to be strong it's because they've seen the liberal light, or they're going to be the ones who sacrifice themselves to kill the Nazis.

This is why the "but they've always been in our thing" is water off a duck's back to SJWs. They know perfectly well that the reason for it was different back then.

 

[Grunker]

first it's "muh realism"

> turns out fantasy RPGs obviously have many things that are way less realist even if you only consider non-supernatural elements

then it's "noooo it's because fantasy has always exaggerated everything thus also the feminine incapability to fight"

> turns out female warriors have been a dominant concept since the game's inception

then it's "FEMALES WERE COMPANIONS, NOT HEROES"

> woops, sonja, xena et al were the heroes

then, and only then, do we get the realness:

That has shifted to women being included to shore up a particular Narrative, which often means they have to be better than men even at men's things. Male heroes generally play a subordinate or comical role, or if they're allowed to be strong it's because they've seen the liberal light, or they're going to be the ones who sacrifice themselves to kill the Nazis.

you motherfucking projecting, pathetic, cucked, ballless ballsacks. "waaaah men are so weak, i need my strong men in my crappy fantasy entertainment to maintain my feeling of selfworth." incel faggots

 

[mediocrepoet]

You're missing the point. The reason for having females in our thing has shifted. They were in there right from the beginning in nerd stuff, sure, but that's because nerds wanted to see tiddies.

Sure, but also some guys got off to the warrior woman thing. It was true then, it's true now. Fetish porn sites like that baremaidens thing should tell you that much.

Also, females were conceived as possibly equal and companionable with the hero, but seldom superior (or if they were superior that was because they were on another level, like a goddess or something).

This is a fair point, but...

That has shifted to women being included to shore up a particular Narrative, which often means they have to be better than men even at men's things. Male heroes generally play a subordinate or comical role, or if they're allowed to be strong it's because they've seen the liberal light, or they're going to be the ones who sacrifice themselves to kill the Nazis.

The pathetic loser comment is related to this. How fragile do you have to be to feel threatened by it? That's really the beginning and end of my POV on most of this stuff.

Your culture war is silly. The fact that you want to spend time and energy to die on this hill is ridiculous. Etc.
Just like the SJWs, people who spend time thinking about this clearly don't have any real problems to consider or anything more important to do with their time. YMMV

 

[BING XI LAO]

Only the most sexually frustrated MRA loser

Definitely a butthurt male feminist to use these buzzwords . Sorry libtard, but women will never be men, bikini armor is a stage in the progress of feminist nonsense that now got us into the SJW stage, and Lann is definitely an SJW if he really thinks that Joan of Arc fought in melee.

 

[Grunker]

(On a tangent, it's funny you should respond with this:

they have to be better than men even at men's things. Male heroes generally play a subordinate or comical role

in a reply to a post mentioning DragonLance and Kitiara specifically. Tanis is the planet's biggest motherfucking cuck to that bitch, shaming even Regongar's pathetic unrequited love towards Octavia. Some shameless shit, that.)

 

[BING XI LAO]

first it's "muh realism"
> turns out fantasy RPGs obviously have many things that are way less realist even if you only consider non-supernatural elements

Not an argument I made, so *shrug*

then it's "noooo it's because fantasy has always exaggerated everything thus also the feminine incapability to fight"

> turns out female warriors have been a dominant concept since the game's inception

Sorry but I really don't value D&D writing that highly, Nor dragonlance, nor comics. Not even if it goes back as far as *gasp* the 70s.

Has Avellone ever written a single kickass female warrior? Because he's written plenty of witches. Was there a single female warrior in the Dune series? Elric of Melnibone? Black Company?
If you read the fantasy story I most recently read, The Night Land, you would start crying male feminist cuck tears at how it contrasts the male protagonist with the woman he rescues

then it's "FEMALES WERE COMPANIONS, NOT HEROES"

I've not read Sonja's books, but from what I see online her precursor written in the 30s was a gunslinger, then she's magically empowered before which she can't lift a heavy sword to defend herself, and now in modern games women are ubiquitous as ordinary soldiers.
And you're conflating all this, it's misleading! There has been a steady and constant shift in how women are portrayed.

That has shifted to women being included to shore up a particular Narrative, which often means they have to be better than men even at men's things. Male heroes generally play a subordinate or comical role, or if they're allowed to be strong it's because they've seen the liberal light, or they're going to be the ones who sacrifice themselves to kill the Nazis.

you motherfucking, projecting, pathetic, cucked, ballless ballsacks. "waaaah men are so weak." incel faggots

Did you see Star Wars Ep VII? gurugeorge isn't exaggerating.

 

[BING XI LAO]

SJW only applies to like post-2010 stuff, but it's part of a broader egalitarian cultural trend that goes back centuries.
But because we use the term SJW negatively, now we're obliged to view 1970s feminism as unimpeachable and even as the traditional cultural standard?

 

[NJClaw]

It's because I'm not retarded that I don't remember anything about Dragonlance (I don't even remember whether or not I've read it) and don't think about Marvel comics.
But even within these examples, Red Sonja is granted magical power to be strong enough to fight, which is a far cry from the total normalisation of woman warriors that we now have.

Eowyn literally slays the Witch King's beast with a single blow:

Still she did not blench: maiden of the Rohirrim, child of kings..., fair but terrible. A swift stroke she dealt, skilled and deadly. The outstretched neck she clove asunder, and the hewn head fell like a stone. Backward she sprang as the huge shape crashed to ruin, vast wings outspread, crumpled on the earth; and with its fall the shadow passed away. A light fell about her, and her hair shone in the sunrise.

then she proceeds to kill the single most powerful creature in Sauron's army:

'Éowyn! Éowyn!' cried Merry. Then tottering, struggling up, with her last strength she drove her sword between crown and mantle, as the great shoulders bowed before her. The sword broke sparkling into many shards. The crown rolled away with a clang. Éowyn fell forward upon her fallen foe. But lo! the mantle and hauberk were empty. Shapeless they lay now on the ground...; and a cry went up into the shuddering air, and faded to a shrill wailing..., a voice bodiless and thin that died, and was swallowed up, and was never heard again in that age of this world.

All that without even losing an ounce of femininity, since after the war she marries and bears a child.

 

[Stavrophore]

I need to post MORE in this topic, if by just one post i can create such magnificent SPERGOUT.

 

[Grunker]

If you read the fantasy story I most recently read, The Night Land, you would start crying male feminist cuck tears at how it contrasts the male protagonist with the woman he rescues

I doubt that I would, because unlike you I don't judge entertainment or art based on my general views but rather on its quality. You expect me to behave like a mirror to your retardation if I read a great book where women are depicted like helpless symbols of feminity? No, if it's good, it's good.

Sorry but I really don't value D&D writing that highly

At last, something we can agree on. It's all terrible, perhaps maybe excluding Planescape: Torment. ASoIaF/GoT have their moments, but especially the former draws more on its worldbuilding that the quality of the writing. The show is generally better written than the books so I'll give that one a pass, sans the later seasons obviously.

Everything else is tolerable at most. I enjoy some it in the same way I enjoy a smash-burger. Certainly none of it can be considered great. Incidentally another reason it's hilarious to sperg out so hard because a female character in your saturday morning D&D cartoon story equips a suit of armor

 

[BING XI LAO]

It's because I'm not retarded that I don't remember anything about Dragonlance (I don't even remember whether or not I've read it) and don't think about Marvel comics.
But even within these examples, Red Sonja is granted magical power to be strong enough to fight, which is a far cry from the total normalisation of woman warriors that we now have.

Eowyn literally slays the Witch King's beast with a single blow:

Still she did not blench: maiden of the Rohirrim, child of kings..., fair but terrible. A swift stroke she dealt, skilled and deadly. The outstretched neck she clove asunder, and the hewn head fell like a stone. Backward she sprang as the huge shape crashed to ruin, vast wings outspread, crumpled on the earth; and with its fall the shadow passed away. A light fell about her, and her hair shone in the sunrise.

then she proceeds to kill the single most powerful creature in Sauron's army:

'Éowyn! Éowyn!' cried Merry. Then tottering, struggling up, with her last strength she drove her sword between crown and mantle, as the great shoulders bowed before her. The sword broke sparkling into many shards. The crown rolled away with a clang. Éowyn fell forward upon her fallen foe. But lo! the mantle and hauberk were empty. Shapeless they lay now on the ground...; and a cry went up into the shuddering air, and faded to a shrill wailing..., a voice bodiless and thin that died, and was swallowed up, and was never heard again in that age of this world.

All that without even losing an ounce of femininity, since after the war she marries and bears a child.

She disguises herself as a man to get to a battle where the enemy she kills is protected by a prophecy that no man can kill him. So how is that a problem for anything I've said?
While sure it's a woman fighting in a battle, it upholds the idea that woman aren't warriors; her utility is to loophole through a prophetic protection.

 

[Inhabitants of Khorinis]

Can we, plaese, hunt down everyone involved in the convesation on the last few pages (except me of course) and publicly humiliate and execute them?