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Pathfinder Pathfinder: Kingmaker - Enhanced Plus Edition - now with turn-based combat
- Thread starter Elex
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This is interesting.
So I chose - consciously - to make sense of the rules given by a role-playing system. Numbers are abstractions, but they mean something in the world that the system inspires to model. If Paizo think that die hard mercenaries are weak-minded cowards with thick skins, so be it. I don't know why they created them as such, but probably this is the case for both Golarion and (maybe) Medieval Earth.
On the other hand, there is a person who thinks of the whole role-playing system as of nonsense, that numbers are meaningless, and - consequently - there is no particular meaning in interpreting and "role-playing" them. And this person is writing reviews of role-playing games on a site presumably devoted to role-playing games.
Again, impressive.
So I chose - consciously - to make sense of the rules given by a role-playing system. Numbers are abstractions, but they mean something in the world that the system inspires to model. If Paizo think that die hard mercenaries are weak-minded cowards with thick skins, so be it. I don't know why they created them as such, but probably this is the case for both Golarion and (maybe) Medieval Earth.
On the other hand, there is a person who thinks of the whole role-playing system as of nonsense, that numbers are meaningless, and - consequently - there is no particular meaning in interpreting and "role-playing" them. And this person is writing reviews of role-playing games on a site presumably devoted to role-playing games.
Again, impressive.
My immersion is ruined, the 3d model for black ranger dude is a white looking person. I could put up with important characters not having their own 2d portraits when in dialogue box, but this is too much. Im calling kotaku, they will shut down this racist game for good.
what? i just think women in plate are no more or less unrealistic than dazzling display or similar abilities, ya daft cunt
i don't suppose the fact that you didn't understand a word i said is surprising by this point, though the extend of your constant misconceptions do not fail to fascinate
It's like some nerds want to try and cling on to some vestige of macho when they decry "LARP-ing" and all that.
As if most of them wouldn't be beaten up and have their lunch money stolen just for being within a mile of any of these games
Face it dudes, you're roleplaying a fucking elf.
In a fantasy game with magic, females using magic for strength, constitution or dexterity makes sense, and it's tolerable to say that a woman could have good dexterity and use that to her advantage (although even that can be misleading - strong muscles are also faster and more precise).
But if everything related to physiology is the same in that world as it is in this, then it's pretty much always ludicrous to have female warriors - maybe once in a blue moon, and maybe a bit more the further you go back in time (sexual dimorphism is a bit greater now than it was in, say, hunter-gatherer times), but they were very rare in reality and especially in mediaeval settings.
Re. thug life: there's a difference between janky rules and janky virtual world. The beef against political correctness is the that the virtual worlds themselves are getting jankier and losing logic. But that's been true for some time (e.g. female guards in Bethesda games).
Really what we've seen is a transition in the reason for having females in videogames. Initially it was because nerds wanted to see bewbies. Now it's because the Narrative has to be served. Formerly the females were at best equals and companions, now they have to be better than the men (unless the men repent and become liberals, so they can be the ones that sacrifice themselves beating up Nazis).
But if everything related to physiology is the same in that world as it is in this, then it's pretty much always ludicrous to have female warriors - maybe once in a blue moon, and maybe a bit more the further you go back in time (sexual dimorphism is a bit greater now than it was in, say, hunter-gatherer times), but they were very rare in reality and especially in mediaeval settings.
Re. thug life: there's a difference between janky rules and janky virtual world. The beef against political correctness is the that the virtual worlds themselves are getting jankier and losing logic. But that's been true for some time (e.g. female guards in Bethesda games).
Really what we've seen is a transition in the reason for having females in videogames. Initially it was because nerds wanted to see bewbies. Now it's because the Narrative has to be served. Formerly the females were at best equals and companions, now they have to be better than the men (unless the men repent and become liberals, so they can be the ones that sacrifice themselves beating up Nazis).
Do you actually think that's what Joan of Arc was about? Wading into melee and hitting people? That's idiotic, if you were to replicate her in D&D she'd be some kind of psionic or other spellcaster with an emphasis on stuff like divination, blessing, and inspiring zeal in the troops.
I love the funky music when you find some hillarious shit like the kobold shit smearer or stranded hunters. Also the music in main square in the capital is great.
Also wondering how viable would be a dual wielding dart throwing build just for lulz.
Also wondering how viable would be a dual wielding dart throwing build just for lulz.
Because fantasy should exaggerate things, not take the opposite course of homogenising into androgynous goop.
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Yes, because she's wearing makeup. The eyes are the only significant departure, the rest is maybe she's born with it, maybe it's Maybelline, and we all know she ain't born with it. When people complain about Valerie having "masculine" features I suspect the real reason is her jawline, and to that I say... one is not like the others and I've never had trouble telling which:
Depends on what's beneath those fancy plates of sheet metal. If she stocks up at Victoria's Secret, I would.
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“Out of every one hundred men, ten shouldn't even be there, eighty are just targets, nine are the real fighters, and we are lucky to have them, for they make the battle. Ah, but the one, one is a warrior, and he will bring the others back.”
- Heraclitus
The eighty know how to spot that one on the other side and they give him a wide berth. If he displays a particularly thuggish mien it’s wider still.
- Heraclitus
The eighty know how to spot that one on the other side and they give him a wide berth. If he displays a particularly thuggish mien it’s wider still.
so women in plate ruin the game because muh realism
however the magical ability to cause panic in seasoned veterans is justified by an Ionian orator's poetic description of the different merits of men on ancient battlefields. i'm sure that's what Paizo had in mind when they designed the ability: "no see it's actually pretty realistic, because philosophy, you see?"
i'll give points for the obscurity of this attempt at rationalization, at least
Why?
Again - why?
It seems some of the locals demand an awful lot for granted without trying to explain. You can do that, for sure - but why anyone should follow your wishes?
Also, no one will take my lunch money on Golation, because I will not survive my first 5 years there. And Valerie actually survived not only through child mortality, but through adolescence as well.
Banners were more Joan of Arc's style. What kind of indoctrinated feminist thinks Joan of Arc was literally a soldier in the sense of getting into melee?
It's an interesting question as to why fantasy exaggerates things, but it's unquestionably a fundamental part of what fantasy, especially heroic fantasy, is.
Why would anyone want their fantasy wommenz to be physically strong? What's next, a fantasy in which men are feminine and produce breastmilk? It's retarded faggotry.
DEX only.
Also... if you let him be autoleveled up, there's a small "betrayal" of the game's layout. His favourite terrains go: forrest, underground, urban and First World.
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Hi, are you here because you searched what favorite terrains should a ranger have?
Here's a tiny helper in the spoilers:
Forest: Old Sycamore (all levels), The Stag Lord’s Fort, A Ford Across the Skunk River, Ruined Watchtower, Verdant Chambers, Lone House, Swamp Witch’s Hut, Troll Lair Depths, Lonely Barrow, Candlemere Tower, Goblin Village, Lake Silverstep Village, Technic League Hideout, Vordakai’s Tomb (all levels), The Edge of Madness
Highlands: Sorrowflow, Bridge over the Gudrin River, Hunting Grounds, Flintrock Grassland, Ilthuliak’s Lair
Plains: City of Hollow Eyes
Underground: Troll Wilderness, Troll Lair, Lonely Barrow – Farnirras’ Prison, Womb of Lamashtu, Sepulchre of Forgotten Heroes, Abandoned Keep
Urban: Oleg’s Trading Outpost, Lizardfolk Village, Secluded Lodge, Goblin Fort, Varnhold (Stockade), Armag’s Tomb (all levels)
Urban & Underground: Lone House - Wizard's Laboratory, Rushlight Fields, Blakemoor’s Hideout, Pitax Royal Palace
First World is everything else, and stuff that I won't spoil even here.
And so...
1. Pure ranger: follow Ekun's build.
2. Dual class: I would go forrest and First World.
3. Dumb 4-level "dip" (or as I like to call it, the "oh God, I'm retarded!"): First World or forrest.
Highlands: Sorrowflow, Bridge over the Gudrin River, Hunting Grounds, Flintrock Grassland, Ilthuliak’s Lair
Plains: City of Hollow Eyes
Underground: Troll Wilderness, Troll Lair, Lonely Barrow – Farnirras’ Prison, Womb of Lamashtu, Sepulchre of Forgotten Heroes, Abandoned Keep
Urban: Oleg’s Trading Outpost, Lizardfolk Village, Secluded Lodge, Goblin Fort, Varnhold (Stockade), Armag’s Tomb (all levels)
Urban & Underground: Lone House - Wizard's Laboratory, Rushlight Fields, Blakemoor’s Hideout, Pitax Royal Palace
First World is everything else, and stuff that I won't spoil even here.
And so...
1. Pure ranger: follow Ekun's build.
2. Dual class: I would go forrest and First World.
3. Dumb 4-level "dip" (or as I like to call it, the "oh God, I'm retarded!"): First World or forrest.
...he asked for whatever doom befell him!
OK. Someone on codex from 2018 with 3300+ messages does not want women in plate armor, thinks Joan of Arc was a pure preacher, has some opinion about fantasy genre, and does not like physically strong women.
Duly noted.
Duly noted.
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So you *actually* think she was a footsoldier? SJWs really do live in a world of delusions.
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Nothing magical about it at all. Guess you’re one of the ten. Truly a miracle your genetic line made it this far.
And of course women in plate are utterly ridiculous.
I care little for the specific line of argument or rules details here but doesn't Dazzling Display only inflict shaken, which is two rungs below panicked?
Hence why I included a level of Thug, which allows you to cause Frightened i.e.: "see me flash my sword, you run away as far as you can, regardless of strength both in physique and numbers." I don't mind it, obviously, it's just one of Kingmaker's many great options for fighters that are more than auto-attacking. And one of a very huge number of non-supernatural elements that are very hard to explain for someone who cries "muh realism" at gals in plate armour. So hard one has to resort to the bizarre rationalizations we've seen thus far
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