Pathfinder Pathfinder: Kingmaker - Enhanced Plus Edition - now with turn-based combat

[Wulfric Pinewood]

You mean Jubilost? I have him on the party. Yay!

 

[Shadenuat]

It reinforces something I've long suspected about stronghold systems in RPG:

- What works is what BG2 did, where the "stronghold" is really just a frame for interesting choices

so you suspected it. hoped this secret would never come out in 21 years.

 

[Grunker]

 

[NJClaw]

But the audiences? That shit was hella awesome and really added flavour to the game. I loved it, even though I felt like my Neutral Evil kingdom was just about the most boring kingdom to run. The most boring version was still fun. It was just a good time to see all the different people who visited and deal with their dilemmas.

Some of the audience events were interesting and memorable, but my main problem with how they handled them is that most of them could (and should) have a deep impact on your kingdom and, instead, you just get a negligible bonus to your kingdom stats that bears no relevant gameplay effect.

I would have vastly preferred fewer events but with noticeable gameplay consequences, but I understand that would have required a lot more resources.

 

[Wulfric Pinewood]

I have a question. Im only 80 hours in, done Varnholdt's lot and now im in Troll Trouble for sure. I found some artifacts that have description that someone skilled could piece them together for me. It's dwarven helmet parts and something other , how i could find person skilled enough to forge something out of them? Just progress into main story or what?

 

[NJClaw]

I have a question. Im only 80 hours in, done Varnholdt's lot and now im in Troll Trouble for sure. I found some artifacts that have description that someone skilled could piece them together for me. It's dwarven helmet parts and something other , how i could find person skilled enough to forge something out of them? Just progress into main story or what?

In your throne room there's an elf called "Storyteller", just talk to him once in a while and he will tell you if you have enough pieces to forge an item. He's just near the entrance.

 

[Grunker]

Im only 80 hours in

I love RPGs

 

[Wulfric Pinewood]

Thank You very much NJCLAW it was one thing i known nothing about.

 

[Stavrophore]

Plot twist: Storyteller is another eldest who is a Lantern King rival

 

[The_Mask]

Thank You very much NJCLAW it was one thing i known nothing about.

This would be one of the reasons to invest strongly into a character with Perception. I would even go so far as to invest a feat into it. It really helps with the Storyteller artifacts. All of which are really good.

 

[Stavrophore]

My dissapointment is huge. Call of the Wild mod, didn't add necromancer class. How can you claim to be a good RPG, without a dedicated necromancer class! Right now you have to settle for that druid/summoner/necromancer abomination mash.

 

[Mr. Magniloquent]

S0rcerer_Victor alt detected.

 

[Stavrophore]

Lol apparently clerics are best class for necromancers. I need diamond dust and a lot of it to run the build. Meh.

 

[Saravan]

Lol apparently clerics are best class for necromancers. I need diamond dust and a lot of it to run the build. Meh.

Please do continue just writing random statements. Desiderius will soon OD on autism trying to correct you after he reads this.

 

[Israfael]

3rd place: NWN2 (and I didn't even like the game)

Which version? I found SoZ trade empire management more interesting than the money drain that the keep was in the original game...

 

[Grunker]

3rd place: NWN2 (and I didn't even like the game)

Which version? I found SoZ trade empire management more interesting than the money drain that the keep was in the original game...

The original keep. It has a lot of quests, and the decisions you make actually matter for the final battle. It's placed below the others because it has less contextual action going on.

 

[Grunker]

SoZ trade management I found to be busywork

 

[Israfael]

and the decisions you make actually matter for the final battle

Are you sure? It's just basically amount of trash mobs you face (which are trivial anyway) as far as I remember. It'd be much interesting if it affected something amidgame, like death of the peasant girl or the invasion of the reavers (or whatever they were called)

 

[Grunker]

and the decisions you make actually matter for the final battle

Are you sure? It's just basically amount of trash mobs you face (which are trivial anyway) as far as I remember. It'd be much interesting if it affected something amidgame, like death of the peasant girl or the invasion of the reavers (or whatever they were called)

It's been very long since I played it (very, very long), but I distinctly remember it to be so. Jaedar can probably enlighten us, he has a weird hardon for the game

 

[Nano]

I suppose I shouldn't be surprised, but apparently there actually is a non-wizard Necromancer class in PF. CHA-based with spontaneous spellcasting. https://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/3rd-party-classes/samurai-sheepdog/necromancer/

Here's the thing though, it has a unique spell list which is much worse than the Wizard/Sorcerer's. So... what's the point?

 

[Haplo]

After the additions to the keep from White March, I found the stronghold in PoE decently developed. And certainly more better overall then in NWN2.

 

[Grunker]

After the additions to the keep from White March

How so? There is one contextual quest after White March. It is fairplay lengthy, yes, but there’s still very little interaction with the stronghold. It’s one of the few things White March did little to improve on.

the best thing about the stronghold is the wardens lodge and let’s be honest: that really has nothing to do with the keep.

 

[Haplo]

The quest was pretty cool as far as I recall.
Warden's Lodge too, but I agree that would work regardless of the keep.
There are Endless Paths - which admittedly don't have to be connected to the keep - but are.
And there are also those quest events, which granted, are barebones, but can bring some neat stuff (think those were introduced in some patch).

Overall not that much to speak of I guess... but its not like in NWN2 there was that much more.

 

[Grunker]

I might remeber wrong in the case of NWN2 I just recall a lot of audience events

 

[Stavrophore]

Can someone explain WTF is going on? First time i succeeded, but i reloaded game because i died[i play unfair solo] and now im hit with this shit. Is this a bug? Do i need at least +1 skill in diplomacy? Does it work with 0 diplomacy only if i roll 20?