Yosharian
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Pathfinder Pathfinder: Kingmaker - Enhanced Plus Edition - now with turn-based combat
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Wunderbar
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the game puts your kingdom management skills to a test in one of the later chapters, and if your stats aren't good, then you are pretty much fucked. You still have enough time to level them, but there would be no room for mistakes.
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Beneath the Stolen Land is pretty good too.
While played inside the main story it's not an endless procedural rogue-like shit, but a pretty cool 15-levels dungeon with some interesting encounters and decent loot.
So it's kind of classic dungeon crawling experience, Icewind Dale style.
And the final battle is one of the hardest in the game, especially as you can optionally fight
both the silver dragon and the spawn of Rovagug
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Note there is some new feats/abilities for certain classes in the DLCs.
For example Feral Wings for Vivisectionists or Advanced Weapon Training options for Fighters.
Think those come with Varnhold however, so your should be fine.
And of course Kineticist classes and Tiefling races (which are very good for many builds). This is from the 1st DLC. Also the twins are cute
For example Feral Wings for Vivisectionists or Advanced Weapon Training options for Fighters.
Think those come with Varnhold however, so your should be fine.
And of course Kineticist classes and Tiefling races (which are very good for many builds). This is from the 1st DLC. Also the twins are cute
Zboj Lamignat
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Up until the final dungeon (which isn't bad, just kinda meh) Varnhold's lot is imo the high point of KM and better than what I've seen in Wrath so far. So yeah, it's worth picking up.
Wunderbar
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I believe her (their) personal quest cannot be finished if you buy the DLC after already beating first two chapters.
Bloodeyes
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Set ruler managed events to 1 day. Set Kingdom management to "Effortless" in game settings. Forget about that bullshit and enjoy the good parts of the game.
https://www.nexusmods.com/pathfinderkingmaker/mods/36
Oh it definitely earns its keep, it's a great mini-adventure that's just the right length for what it is.
Bloodeyes
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It's a bit unseemly that you can be a throuple with two demonic sisters. There are two romance options that involve multiple partners in the game and the other involves getting fucked in the ass by a chaotic evil orc. That I consider Kingmaker a wholesome experience (relative to Wrath) is a sign of the times.Note there is some new feats/abilities for certain classes in the DLCs.
For example Feral Wings for Vivisectionists or Advanced Weapon Training options for Fighters.
Think those come with Varnhold however, so your should be fine.
And of course Kineticist classes and Tiefling races (which are very good for many builds). This is from the 1st DLC. Also the twins are cute
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This. I bet Regongar even likes getting pegged by Octavia.
naleth
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This is an excellent game but I had trouble to finish it - it is just too long for its own good.
It was the first time when I have been playing pathfinder system and I was amazed by it. The options available during character creation and during each level up are excellent. The fights are interesting, the skills and spells are plenty and there is this great feeling that they give real impact on the fight and that they are really diverse. Also, I liked itemization which is rather rare in modern games that like to shower the player with random items +2% in one stat vs +3% in other stat. Kudos for Owlcat.
I even liked the dialogs and side missions, even though they seem to be the most controversial. But after 170h of playing (I played every fight turn based) I just started The Twice-Born Warlord act which seems to be like in the middle of the game (or am I mistaken?). It is ridiculous because finishing entire BG2 with ToB took me 190h and PF:K seems to be almost twice as long.
Right now PF:K belongs in my book to quite rare species of games that at the same time I couldn't finish but I still really enjoyed. It is a pity because I really like to finish games I have played and pathfinder system together with its implementation in the game is excellent. I hope that Owlcat will at some point release some game that is as strong mechanically but is more concise. Looking at the play times of PF:WofR it looks like unfortunately it is nowhere near being shorter.
It was the first time when I have been playing pathfinder system and I was amazed by it. The options available during character creation and during each level up are excellent. The fights are interesting, the skills and spells are plenty and there is this great feeling that they give real impact on the fight and that they are really diverse. Also, I liked itemization which is rather rare in modern games that like to shower the player with random items +2% in one stat vs +3% in other stat. Kudos for Owlcat.
I even liked the dialogs and side missions, even though they seem to be the most controversial. But after 170h of playing (I played every fight turn based) I just started The Twice-Born Warlord act which seems to be like in the middle of the game (or am I mistaken?). It is ridiculous because finishing entire BG2 with ToB took me 190h and PF:K seems to be almost twice as long.
Right now PF:K belongs in my book to quite rare species of games that at the same time I couldn't finish but I still really enjoyed. It is a pity because I really like to finish games I have played and pathfinder system together with its implementation in the game is excellent. I hope that Owlcat will at some point release some game that is as strong mechanically but is more concise. Looking at the play times of PF:WofR it looks like unfortunately it is nowhere near being shorter.
Wunderbar
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are you playing it exclusively in TB mode?
This is about when I start to lose interest. It's my least favorite part of the game. It felt like pure filler to me.
Bloodeyes
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I've spent a significant amount of time in this game and am yet to finish it. I want to move on from it now so I'm forcing myself to, but I know what you mean. I've often wondered why I abandon my playthroughs around level 13 - 14 to start again and I think what it comes down to is reinforcement.
In operant conditioning the removal of reinforcement is called extinction, and the end goal of extinction is the cessation of a given behaviour. In RPGs the most potent reinforcer is character progression - levelling up. Because of how much Kingmaker's level progression slows down after level 9 you're playing for days after that without levelling up at all. So you experience extinction of your desire to continue that playthrough. But the game is still awesome, so you return to the early game, starting a cool new build. Then you're levelling again, getting that reinforcement again.
I guess I should say "I", rather than "you" here, but I've heard from a lot of other people who have put a lot of time into this game and never finished it and I think this is why.
CthuluIsSpy
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Yeah, the pacing is a little off. A lot of the time spent is for useless crap like camping, travel and dialogue cutscenes too.
Do I have to watch the camping sequence every time? Do my characters have to move that slowly on both the world map and the area map? Why isn't there a bloody fast forward button?
Do I have to watch the camping sequence every time? Do my characters have to move that slowly on both the world map and the area map? Why isn't there a bloody fast forward button?
The strongest reinforcement for me is the story and exploration. Level ups are rare in the late game anyway.
However, even here most of the players are hell bent on removing the Kingdom Management, thus shortening exactly those two aspects.
However, even here most of the players are hell bent on removing the Kingdom Management, thus shortening exactly those two aspects.
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