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Pathfinder Pathfinder: Kingmaker - Enhanced Plus Edition - now with turn-based combat

Yosharian

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I started playing this on the hardest difficulty not being at all familiar with Pathfinder, nor having any idea what I'm doing, and fuck, it's insanely hard. I was already having to use every single spell and special ability just to survive the tutorial. It's possible my build is completely fucked (playing as a Ranger with longbow specialty), but no one in my party can hit jack shit, so battles are a nightmare of RNG (although, I have learned that using the special abilities that increase attack even just slightly can make a massive difference).

I also fucking hate (in fact, loathe), RTWP, which is utter shit because you really have no idea when the masked turns begin or end, and with a game this RNG focused, you kind of need to know that to be successful. I haven't tried turn based mode yet.

Anyhow, I made it to the first village after 2 hours of trial and error. I am very stubborn, love challenges, and always play everything on the hardest difficulty, but ya'll need to let me know if a vanilla Ranger is fine for the hardest difficulty, or if I should restart. My stats are: STR 8, DEX 20, CON 10, INT 12, WIS 16, CHA 8. I took humans for my enemy type perk and the Long Bow specialty perk.

Don't play Unfair if you're not proficient with the systems. In fact, don't play Unfair untill you know the areas, what enemies to expect and what are their weaknesses. Plus know all possible party synergies, party-wide buffing and debuffing options and stacking rules. In short, don't start with Unfair. It really is... Unfair.
You want a big challenge while not being proficient with the systems? You can try Hard. But it will be HARD. DO NOT START ON UNFAIR.

One problem I can see with your ranged build is that you've dumped Strenght. Ranged weapons do use Dexterity to hit stuff - but Composite Bows still use Strenght to increase the damage per shot (non-composite bows don't scale their damage from any stat). So you should have at least about 14 Str at start.
And no, I don't recommend ranged builds for high difficulty settings. They do have the advantage of getting full attacks on enemies most of the time - because they don't need to move to engage the enemies. But their accuracy is sub-par. Most importantly they don't benefit from Flanking. And that is +2 Attack Bonus at base, +4 Attack with Outflank (which all martials should get ASAP) and +6 AB with Outflank and Freebooter's Bond (unlimited use buff from Freebooter Ranger). A 6 point AB gap is really challenging to close. Even moreso on highest difficulty settings, where enemy Armor Class is bloated.
Counter point: there are numerous items available fairly early on that dramatically boost ranged AB, and a full sneak attack archer with Mirror Bow is one of the most powerful damage dealing archetypes in the game
 

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What items? Bracers of Archery? The bonus isn't that great and won't stack with a Bard's Inspire Courage (you are using a Bard, aren't you?).

I think there was maybe one nice item in the DLC, but I never got that one.
 

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There's a set of gloves that grants +4 ranged AB available very early
 

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There's a set of gloves that grants +4 ranged AB available very early
Oh, I see.
In an entirely optional DLC megadungeon.
If you plan to go for it, I guess ranged looks more attractive.


For me the base game has enough content to never bother.
 

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It's piss-easy to get, and the Tiefling companion is super useful for a variety of reasons.

There are also a bunch of helms that grant bonuses
 

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Armor: Shepherd's Armor (+2 Untyped to AB/dmg on bow attacks)

Gloves: Death From Afar (+4 untyped bonus to ranged weapon attack rolls)

Head: Sharp Eye (+6 Competence to Perception checks, +2 Untyped to ranged attacks)

Wrist: Bracers of the Ruby Phoenix Champion (+1 untyped bonus to Longbows). [this one is endgame]
 

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My Nok-Nok build absolutely destroys encounters even before he gets Mirror Bow but after he gets that? Pffft
 

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Don't know why you'd mention the Tiefling companion. That was the 1st DLC, which I have and its fairly integrated into the story (in fact, I often use the Tiefling race).
 

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Also if we are talking about content, the megadungeon is way more interesting than a lot of the base game's content and you can do it at any time without being rushed
 

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Don't know why you'd mention the Tiefling companion. That was the 1st DLC, which I have and its fairly integrated into the story (in fact, I often use the Tiefling race).
Oh my bad I thought they were the same dlc
 

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Okay, that's quite a collection. Don't think I had most of these items, except for the Shepherd's Armor (which is quite late IF you don't metagame).
Guess they do make archery more attractive.
 

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Okay, that's quite a collection. Don't think I had most of these items, except for the Shepherd's Armor (which is quite late IF you don't metagame).
Guess they do make archery more attractive.
Using Dimension Door and Invisibility in the way they are intended to be used isn't metagaming.
:incline:
 

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Guys, any guide on how to install mods in linux? I wanna re play with races unleashed + call of the wild. I followed it some time ago but forgot.
 

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Okay, that's quite a collection. Don't think I had most of these items, except for the Shepherd's Armor (which is quite late IF you don't metagame).
Guess they do make archery more attractive.
Using Dimension Door and Invisibility in the way they are intended to be used isn't metagaming.
:incline:
Invisibility? Man up, Yosh :P
Well I was like level 8-ish at the time and I'm playing with modded Insane monster stats, he is actually challenging
 
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I did get all of those archery items except the shepherd's armor and Sharp eye in my run, but I did also end up with a helm that gave +2 attack while using deadly aim which is basically as good for Ekundayo. Death from Afar is arguably wildly out of place in their power level compared to how easily they can be acquired.

Also if we are talking about content, the megadungeon is way more interesting than a lot of the base game's content
What? It's 16 floors of the same crap. There's like 2 notable fights, otherwise its a boring slog through the same crap over and over.

and you can do it at any time without being rushed
Aside from the 80% of the game where you can't do it because of arbitrary limitations, yes you can do it at any time.
 

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Who gives a shit if it's wildly out of place, it exists and it affects how good an archer is in the game.

It's more interesting than a lot of the game's base content because it is straightforward fights where I don't have to read Owlcat's drivel and suffer through retarded Kingdom Management. I didn't say *most* of the game's content, but it is better than some. I guess it depends if you enjoy the game's combat or not.

I meant that you can do what is accessible to you at a given time without being under a time restriction. Unlike other content in the game which is time-sensitive. You also aren't forced to bring any specific companions with you. So you can do it at your own pace.
 

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Is there any good character guides for people who aren’t autistic and want to start this game without fucking them selves over late game?

Play what you like to play. I finished the game IN UNFAIR with a PURE ROLE PLAY NECROMANCER build, without multiclassing and using arguably the worst wizard subclass. Here is my run >> https://rpgcodex.net/forums/threads...-thassilonian-necromancer-with-videos.140352/

Here is a video of chapter 3 fights.



Even if you are really bad, you can finish in normal with any "vanilla" build. Unless you try to run something atrocious like a low INT wiz.

This is the answer I wanted to read, thank you. I don't like following other peoples guides and instructions anyways. That is what usually made the most rewarding play throughs when I tell people about it and they say "how did you even complete the game with such a horrible character?"
 

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So you want a guide on how to build a character but you don't like following other people's guides
 

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I think that he wanna general hints, like don't pick this weapon focus as there are few weapons of this type in the game, the spell A, B and C for Wizards are amazing and so on. General helping instead of "here is how to get 666 AC and +666 BAB and OHK Lantern King on unfair, just follow this long guide"
 

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Some people just want to know they won't be penalized by games for not being an autistic savant min maxer carefully planning out every single level up for hours before even approaching the game.
 

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Some people just want to know they won't be penalized by games for not being an autistic savant min maxer carefully planning out every single level up for hours before even approaching the game.
But you can get that info from my page too

Whatever
 

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Strap Yourselves In Pathfinder: Kingmaker
*laughs manically*
*sound of gun cocking in the background*
 

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Some people just want to know they won't be penalized by games for not being an autistic savant min maxer carefully planning out every single level up for hours before even approaching the game.
But you can get that info from my page too

Whatever
Don't know why some people want Lilura back when you have a Yosha right here.
 
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