Pathfinder Pathfinder: Kingmaker - Enhanced Plus Edition - now with turn-based combat

[Average Manatee]

killed Ithuliak

One weird trick to kill Ilthuliak:

Highly OP, not recommended

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Alternatively "one weird trick the enemies use to kill your 60 AC tank".

 

[Desiderius]

killed Ithuliak

One weird trick to kill Ilthuliak:

Highly OP, not recommended

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Alternatively "one weird trick the enemies use to kill your 60 AC tank".

Not mine, no. You guys use second person way too much.

 

[Yosharian]

My bard build doesn't even use any mods. The only thing it uses that is from a mod is the boots just so fucking Mandragora swarms aren't a PITA. Those boots aren't important to the build. It's all built off vanilla mechanics.

I might add that Desiderius is the one who showed me how to dip one level in Fey Sorc to get +2 to Enchantment DCs. I even credited him at the bottom of the page.

If Cael is too braindead to follow my very simple build explanation then that's not my problem.

 

[Yosharian]

Same thing with my MC build: it is entirely built off vanilla mechanics, with only the boots being obtained through the Better Vendors mods because I just hate Mandy swarms.

If you prefer to get your stats drained without saves by swarms then just don't use those boots. So no, my MC build doesn't use mods.

More ignorance.

 

[Yosharian]

Of course if you don't want to use the respec mod then you have to use mercs.

(To use my builds, I mean)

 

[Yosharian]

Don't let the actual facts get in the way of a good circle jerk though, you guys have fun

If you could just clean up afterwards though that'd be great

 

[mediocrepoet]

Who are you even talking to, Yosharian? You've got a chain posting spergout to ... something that stopped at least a few hours prior and it's not actually clear what you're whining about.

I can't imagine where the "Budget Lilura" thing comes from. I'm just amused to see it coming up elsewhere.

 

[Yosharian]

Who am I responding to? Cael said my bard was modded, and Desi said my MC was modded. Both incorrect statements.

I thought that was clear shrug

 Also you implied that I was using buffs that weren't in vanilla

 

[Yosharian]

Also, I'm not offended in the least by 'budget Lilura', lol

 

[Desiderius]

Same thing with my MC build: it is entirely built off vanilla mechanics, with only the boots being obtained through the Better Vendors mods because I just hate Mandy swarms.

If you prefer to get your stats drained without saves by swarms then just don't use those boots. So no, my MC build doesn't use mods.

More ignorance.

Jae is immune to Swarm drain. There are solutions to every issue in game already.

 

[Desiderius]

Desi said my MC was modded

No I said you're exploiting an obviously borked implementation in a way that makes the game trivial. Like said boots.

Defeating the purpose.

 

[Yosharian]

Your endgame modded MC is off-topic, @Yosharian

 

[NJClaw]

Also, I'm not offended in the least by 'budget Lilura', lol

If you're "budget Lilura", does it mean people around here want to budget fuck you?

 

[Yosharian]

Something to look forward to, I guess

 

[EdgyRightWinger]

Also, I'm not offended in the least by 'budget Lilura', lol

What are your feelings on budget never being a woman?

 

[Cael]

"My MC is not modded!!!!! Well, except for that one thing that covers its most glaring weakness, but it is so totally LEGIT!!!!!"
- Lil' Lil.

 

[Desiderius]

I think the Domain thing is in Vanilla.

What glaring weakness do the boots cover?

Point being he's doing the endgame design thing that ignores the experience of playing the game.

 

[ERYFKRAD]

What glaring weakness do the boots cover?

Horrible feet

 

[Mr. Magniloquent]

Jaethal is too bored and edgy for me to take her along. I find the best way to deal with Mandragora swarms are Slow, Obsidian Flow, and Sirrocco spells. I tired using Fiery Body, but my casters were too fragile to stand up to the DPS. Having Jubilost or The Twins are also tremendously helpful.

My parties are usually caster heavy, so no shortage of AoEs for me. I never tried Waves of Exhaustion, but that might work with a character using Fiery Body to kite. They're still irksome though.

 

[Desiderius]

There is an argument that the Domain CHR-bonus is balanced by the fact that you can't use Linzi as an Intimidator with it or you lose the bonus.

It's outweighed by the size I think.

Also several of the items Yosharian is using are available by midgame if you run your Kingdom well, which makes beating saves with Linzi viable on Unfair, but just barely.

You're not rolling through everything, especially bosses, with her.

 

[Serus]

What glaring weakness do the boots cover?

Horrible feet

We need an expert, some1 calls Jarl.

 

[Yosharian]

No, it's definitely not a guaranteed thing even with 42 DC. Monarchs for example have a base Will save of +23/+24, and that's before stat inflation from Unfair (let alone modded Unfair that I use), so it's not like they are only succeeding on a 20. Bosses, well it depends on the boss but I imagine a lot of them will have immunities, but I'm not relying on my bard for bosses, I have hard CC from my sorc for them, and also my physical damage dealers will nuke bosses off the face of the earth, well that's the plan anyway.

 

[The_Mask]

Jaethal is too bored and edgy for me to take her along.

Blasphemy. Heresy.

Her and Jubilost are arguably the best characters imo.

 

[Cael]

I think the Domain thing is in Vanilla.

What glaring weakness do the boots cover?

Point being he's doing the endgame design thing that ignores the experience of playing the game.

Mandagora swarm stat damage, I believe.

Regardless, I had a look at his builds when I was looking for inspiration for a build, and needless to say, I didn't find it there. It was pure shit, worse than InExile, and that guy was bad enough.

 

[Desiderius]

Swarms are a corner case.

And Yosharian runs circles around InEffective. My main beef with Yosh is that he's a sucker for broken stuff so can make the game uninteresting.