Pathfinder Pathfinder: Kingmaker - Enhanced Plus Edition - now with turn-based combat

[Blackmill]

Do you nerds have any good Pathfinder styled male (preferably human) rogue portraits? The only in-game one is for a half-orc... The ones I found online are either super grimdark/realistic or animu.

Try searching for "dnd character dump imgur" and you'll probably find what you're looking for. The quality varies -- some are too fetishized -- but it's ultimately better than any of the nexus portrait packs in my opinion.

Here's a few examples found here.

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[Yosharian]

Nearly all of those examples are in the portrait pack that I linked.

 

[Blackmill]

Nearly all of those examples are in the portrait pack that I linked.

There is some overlap, as the mod author probably pulled from imgur. I still think it's better to go to imgur for portraits because 1) the images are easier to peruse and 2) there are ultimately more good portraits to choose from even if 70% overlap.

 

[Xelocix]

Hey faggots, finally pirated this shit. How racist can I get and how many wombs can my dude fill when he becomes a level 99 mafia boss?

 

[Average Manatee]

Not enough on both counts.

 

[Darth Canoli]

I dropped my final Kingmaker playthrough somewhere after the Troll crisis, it's too tedious for me.
Even with faster loading, you spend more than half your time traveling on the world map, watching multiple loading screens in a row and when there is some gameplay, it's always way too short even if I remember a dungeon or two which were longer from my previous try.

 

[Average Manatee]

I dropped my final Kingmaker playthrough somewhere after the Troll crisis, it's too tedious for me.
Even with faster loading, you spend more than half your time traveling on the world map, watching multiple loading screens in a row and when there is some gameplay, it's always way too short even if I remember a dungeon or two which were longer from my previous try.

I use https://www.nexusmods.com/pathfinderkingmaker/mods/1 with the settings:

Increased game speed: Exploration 200%, Battle 150%, Global map 200%
Increased party speed: Exploration 150%.

Speeds up things a lot. I split up exploration between both because while on the one hand the 2nd is technically cheating the 1st is sort of a difficulty enhancement since it means buffs run out faster while I'm standing around thinking/looting/buffing/etc so they kind of balance out.

Load times do still suck though, especially when it comes to Kingdom tedium that basically involves multiple loading screens to sign off on advisor paperwork. Shame there's no mod that'd let you interact with basic kingdom stuff without a load screen. I think it'd be theoretically possible to do.

 

[Desiderius]

Alright got my kingdom established. Reasonably conventional initial town laid out ASAP. Bulletin Board is a decent boost for Lawful but would sure like that real estate too.

Room for two Shrines touching Monument in corner. One paid for now and free one in a week.

Windmill (with Granary and Brewery) town instead of usual Watchtower. Going for Community and Loyalty instead of Mil/Divine, although not neglecting latter. No duplicate bldgs will leave me more BP to unlock regions.

2 big decisions:

Annex Outskirts right away?

No, that would leave me too poor to develop it since that would require buying BP and I do want to buy the skill-boosting items and Combat Expertise Helm. Can’t get loan w/o Treasurer and want to use that BP to develop it. Do have some extra cash from selling Ch 1 items even after buying items so have some flexibility.

Bokken is a relatively useless artisan.

Sneak up to Sorrowflow to get Treasurer? I remember trying this and remembering it’s not worth it for some reason. I think it burns at least a week with little other benefit at this point. Also high risk at lvl five.

So off for a little cleaning up (Ratnook) and claiming resources. Forgotten where things are but remembered enough to get Necklace and Restovic set right away at first Throne Room.

 

[Desiderius]

So Vindictive Bastard gets Paladin spells somehow. Looks like Val is coming along after all. Her class does make turn-based mandatory I think. Swift Action one round Solo Tactics so bad.

Reg with with Rime meta Frostbite is also nuts so a lot of competition. Melee MC means he’s riding the bench again tho I think.

 

[Bloodeyes]

Alright got my kingdom established. Reasonably conventional initial town laid out ASAP. Bulletin Board is a decent boost for Lawful but would sure like that real estate too.

Room for two Shrines touching Monument in corner. One paid for now and free one in a week.

Windmill (with Granary and Brewery) town instead of usual Watchtower. Going for Community and Loyalty instead of Mil/Divine, although not neglecting latter. No duplicate bldgs will leave me more BP to unlock regions.

2 big decisions:

Annex Outskirts right away?

No, that would leave me too poor to develop it since that would require buying BP and I do want to buy the skill-boosting items and Combat Expertise Helm. Can’t get loan w/o Treasurer and want to use that BP to develop it. Do have some extra cash from selling Ch 1 items even after buying items so have some flexibility.

Bokken is a relatively useless artisan.

Sneak up to Sorrowflow to get Treasurer? I remember trying this and remembering it’s not worth it for some reason. I think it burns at least a week with little other benefit at this point. Also high risk at lvl five.

So off for a little cleaning up (Ratnook) and claiming resources. Forgotten where things are but remembered enough to get Necklace and Restovic set right away at first Throne Room.

There's another treasurer much closer. Still I like going for the tiefling first. It's a good early stress test for my build. Lets me see how much the party has been carrying me.

 

[Average Manatee]

Merc can act as treasurer. Not sure if its worth it at that level for such a short time though, it is worth it for 1k the first time you visit oleg's.

 

[Xelocix]

Not enough on both counts.

Sounds boring, why do people like this game?

 

[Darth Canoli]

I use https://www.nexusmods.com/pathfinderkingmaker/mods/1 with the settings:

Increased game speed: Exploration 200%, Battle 150%, Global map 200%
Increased party speed: Exploration 150%.

Speeds up things a lot. I split up exploration between both because while on the one hand the 2nd is technically cheating the 1st is sort of a difficulty enhancement since it means buffs run out faster while I'm standing around thinking/looting/buffing/etc so they kind of balance out.

Load times do still suck though, especially when it comes to Kingdom tedium that basically involves multiple loading screens to sign off on advisor paperwork. Shame there's no mod that'd let you interact with basic kingdom stuff without a load screen. I think it'd be theoretically possible to do.

I did use this mod.

It's not theorical, it has been done in every good strategy/management game.
Not only this but PK management consist on watching npc walking through your throne room and picking one option.

The first X-COM did way way better, Master of Magic did way way better, King's Bounty (the first) did way way better, HoMM did way way better, Fantasy General did way way better, Crusader's King did way way better, Civilization did way way better...
So, Kingmaker's garbage management is terribly implemented on top of a poorly manufactured and optimized engine and it's not even remotely interesting.

 

[Correct_Carlo]

Still playing this. I finished the season of bloom and am doing the depths. Seems to be a lul in the game as nothing's going on and I've explored almost everywhere. I also might be overleveled, as I'm exploding everything instantly.

In retrospect, I maybe should have just stuck with the companions rather than doing a Sylvan Sorcessor merc. Now, whenever I hit a challenging boss I can't handle normally, I just cast "raise dead" 5 times and the skellies distract everyone while my archers destroy them. It's pure cheese. However, I'm not really progressing through the game any faster because everything is so fiddly.

This is a terrible game for OCD gamers. I have reloaded the kingdom management portions repeatedly after I realized I didn't have optimal town builds for what I needed.

 

[Max Damage]

I don't care for kingdom management beyond making sure it's stable. To me, there's no cheese in just using spells as intended, especially during fights you need them most. I also don't reload if I fail to open chests, although that's pretty high sanity DC for me. The game's too long to sweat over every happy accident.

 

[Desiderius]

Still playing this. I finished the season of bloom and am doing the depths. Seems to be a lul in the game as nothing's going on and I've explored almost everywhere. I also might be overleveled, as I'm exploding everything instantly.

In retrospect, I maybe should have just stuck with the companions rather than doing a Sylvan Sorcessor merc. Now, whenever I hit a challenging boss I can't handle normally, I just cast "raise dead" 5 times and the skellies distract everyone while my archers destroy them. It's pure cheese. However, I'm not really progressing through the game any faster because everything is so fiddly.

This is a terrible game for OCD gamers. I have reloaded the kingdom management portions repeatedly after I realized I didn't have optimal town builds for what I needed.

Yeah, during that "lull" is when you work on KM. It's far from a lull for that. Not enough time to do everything you want to do.

 

[Desiderius]

Merc can act as treasurer. Not sure if its worth it at that level for such a short time though, it is worth it for 1k the first time you visit oleg's.

It's a thought, but you get one soon enough. I like doing the Ford, Tower, Bandit Camp, and Lone House loop right away but I did get a rank-up as soon as my town finished so may have been better to just Claim Outskirts immediately then get that rank-up in before Troll Trouble. Did claim Outskirts when I got back from the loop then got a trip up to Oleg's in to get Bokken established and claim a couple good resources so maybe worth it? Put town between Depths and Oleg's since there's no way to go east from Outskirts. Another Windmill town. Trying off-center Longhouse with row for bldgs that have no adjacencies on other side.

 

[Bigg Boss]

Damn, that's a cool trick. I'll file it under the "things I would never actually use but fun to think about" category.

In fact, you could combine that with my cleric/sacred huntsmaster trick to have double leveled pets that tag along with the party. Then run only your MC and blaze to level 20 at trivial difficulty getting carried by level 16 pets.

16 pets you say?

 

[Blackmill]

One of the things that drives me nuts about this game is the "death's door" difficulty option. I want death and resurrection to be a thing so I turn it off. But I also don't want to reload because whoever I chose to be the "main" character died, even though I have a cleric to cast resurrection the next turn. It's especially bad since the game over conditions don't even seem to be implemented correctly. For instance, I got game over because my main character was reduced 0 strength, but in the tabletop game that only renders a character unconscious...

 

[Max Damage]

Nothing like stumbling upon medusa sorceress first time and wondering why you lost without fight. This is why I play on Custom with Death's Door enabled, don't feel like metagayming to the extend that I'm not allowed to make front line MC. Would've been tolerable if the game at least gave you 2 rounds to ressurect before game over.

 

[Cael]

One of the things that drives me nuts about this game is the "death's door" difficulty option. I want death and resurrection to be a thing so I turn it off. But I also don't want to reload because whoever I chose to be the "main" character died, even though I have a cleric to cast resurrection the next turn. It's especially bad since the game over conditions don't even seem to be implemented correctly. For instance, I got game over because my main character was reduced 0 strength, but in the tabletop game that only renders a character unconscious...

Any stat dropping to 0 in the game is instant death. You think that is bad, wait until you run into the defaced sisters and other mobs with stat drain. You better have a LOT of diamond dust and Restoration handy.

You will want to play with Death's Door enabled unless you are one of those Paishit fanbois who think that metagaming an encounter is the only way to play and anyone who plays otherwise is a decline enabler.

 

[Desiderius]

Or just read your spells and abilities and that of your companions. Wrath has more explicit defenses against stat drain but P:K has solutions.

This kind of thing (bitching about having to play games instead of you know playing them), and it's not exclusive to P:K by any stretch, is not just an example of a post-literate society it's the ding an sich.

 

[Desiderius]

Welp turns out you can get to Soorowflow relatively easily by *going through your own eastern territory* that I didn’t even know was part of Shrike Hills and has two important resources to claim and a couple key locations to hit along the way.

Amazing that I missed this on like six playthroughs. So yeah looks like you want to claim Outskirts ASAP sell all the loot you can spare (would help If I’d hit crappy Boggart Cave before Stag Lord) and build second town before loan penalty kicks in then go get Kanerah and hit several things on the way and come back thru Oleg to get Bokken set up while Kanerah is securing the loan. May be able to claim North Narl super early that way. In any case you’ll have plenty of BP cushion for awhile until you can get Community to III.

Swing Southwest on way back to hit Tower, Camp, and Lone House and shld be able to make it back in time for Curse. Then grab Jub to replace Kan once she has loan secured and start ranking up while you accumulate quests to the south.

 

[Correct_Carlo]

What's are funnest classes to play for Varnhold? I was thinking I'd do a Thunder Bard for my MC, as I want high charisma to make persuasion checks. I also kind of want a monk and a vivisectionist as neither are featured heavily in the main game.

 

[ERYFKRAD]

What's are funnest classes to play for Varnhold? I was thinking I'd do a Thunder Bard for my MC, as I want high charisma to make persuasion checks. I also kind of want a monk and a vivisectionist as neither are featured heavily in the main game.

Por que no los, uh, tres?