KickStarter Pathfinder: Kingmaker Pre-DLC Thread [GO TO NEW THREAD]

[Shadenuat]

But... but... I thought you didn't have to alter P&P rulesets for digital? And for BALANCE?!?

Depends on the amount of freedom and resources player has. And for some people, even Story mode is not Story enough.

Also I am not sure what are you talking about when saying altering rulesets. Altering enemy composition and levels is not altering rules.

True, but that's semantics. You got my point. I was teasing the fact that Owlcat - correctly IMO - identified that BAB vs. AC scaling has always been a problem in 3.5 and Pathfinder, making AC pretty useless unless you went all-in on it in one form or another. As such I don't even oppose the inflated stats myself.)

Interesting.

As for me, while I think giving enemies more levels is more elegant in terms of math/ruleset, when you already know what you want from an enemy in encounter (this is a fighter. he has expertise & trip.) giving more levels would just mean higher BAB & saving throws, which difficulty sliders in PK already do; meaning I wouldn't count that as far as "changing ruleset" (i.e. I do not agree on the level of "josh was rite, pnp is bad for computer games"). I also don't think players would enjoy being blasted with Cloudkill they can't counter instead of Fireball.

The truth is out there though - combat in PK is challenging and fun. Many fights are just not like any other fight. Tweaking all encounters for harder difficulties would be even more fun, but the amount of work required would be insane since it's effectively a 150+ hours game at this point.

 

[Thonius]

I wonder how much of those sales go to big nosed Paizo...

 

[Elim]

I raped these trolls on hard. They were not a challenge. Black archer dude with composite bow and Octavia as an Arcane Trickster killed them in troves. I did wait until I got a BAB of +6 for my frontline dudes, too.

Man, 70 hours in, feels like I have not scratched the surface of the game. This is easily the best RPG since ages. Yes, even with shitty RTwP combat.

 

[hell bovine]

My only bother is that my wizard with spell focus + greater spell focus (enchantment) and Int 20 (so a DC of 10 + 5 +2 +1 on sleep) fails in 90% of cases to enchant enemies with Sleep or hypnotist or daze at *level2*. What gives? Am I making some error?

Set the difficulty to custom > normal enemies. That has helped with my enchantment-focused sorceress; now some enemies fail and some succeed, as it should be. (but honestly, the game should give at least a simple explanation on how the weaker / normal /stronger enemies options work in practice )

On that topic, sorcerer bloodlines have some interesting options for enchanters. I actually regret rolling one of the kits (sylvan), they seem boring by comparison.

 

[fantadomat]

Mostly just curious about this magical potion he is brewing.

Skip it, he is just trying to make moonshine.

If only he was....i would have loved to help him. His quest is very buggy,for me he doesn't even give the potion,he was just spamming me every time i was in the throne room. Had to kick him off because potions are useless for me and he was annoying. It is amazing how there isn't even a single useful craftsman. All of them spam useless tosh that i would sell in a second....and all of their quests are bugged.


toro Who the fuck goes in a place called "valley of the dead" without provisions. I always take at least 30 provisions with me. Also that dungeon could be cleaned with rest or two. You just have to have that headgear that doubles the healing power of chanting. Shame that my super cleric decided to nick it and run behind a bug protected teleport.


Also what nymph quest???

 

[dragonul09]

Is there someone out there who sells scrolls for wizards, at least higher than level 4? For fuck sake I'm level 9 and I still can't find someone to sell me something useful for a wizard, not that I need them but whenever I look in my spellbook, I look like the worst wizard in the world, a couple of spells and that's it, I feel like a college dropout.

 

[glass blackbird]

I was going straight wizard with Octavia and I think that was a mistake; Arcane Trickster would have been wiser.

 

[Fedora Master]

Mostly just curious about this magical potion he is brewing.

Skip it, he is just trying to make moonshine.

If only he was....i would have loved to help him. His quest is very buggy,for me he doesn't even give the potion,he was just spamming me every time i was in the throne room. Had to kick him off because potions are useless for me and he was annoying. It is amazing how there isn't even a single useful craftsman. All of them spam useless tosh that i would sell in a second....and all of their quests are bugged.


toro Who the fuck goes in a place called "valley of the dead" without provisions. I always take at least 30 provisions with me. Also that dungeon could be cleaned with rest or two. You just have to have that headgear that doubles the healing power of chanting. Shame that my super cleric decided to nick it and run behind a bug protected teleport.


Also what nymph quest???

How do you manage to lug around 30 provisions though?

 

[toro]

toro Means I'll soon hit Chapter IV right? Need to stop and wait for patching?

Well, shit hit the fan. Big time. Chapter IV or V seems to be unplayable (I honestly don't know which one).

Spoiler

Tristian is gone because reasons. Amiri is gone because her personal quest is fucked.

There are two urgent events but my main party is MiA. Elder Elemental Fire "random" encounter.

The inventory is bugged. Even the map is fucked.

Cherry on top: Autosave system broke. It's saving in the wrong location. WTF.

Surprisingly few bugs before this but now it looks like my game exploded.

Honestly I had a bad feeling when that shit hit me with 160 Unholy damage. I guess they did not polish the end game areas.



I guess my 1st play-through is done. 70h. Not bad at all. 6 regions unlocked. Learned a lot of things.

This game needs serious patching but it has the potential to become a real new classic (Which is more that I can say about PoE2 or even DOS2).

They must patch the inventory, the encounters RNG and polish the end game areas. At minimum.

 

[Shadenuat]

I've not seen any even slightly magical tower shields so far.

Check merchants in your capital lolz.

Also do not allow yourself to be flanked.

 

[fantadomat]

you gave her the wrong shield.

I've not seen any even slightly magical tower shields so far.

e: You can't leave the Troll fortress if you got in peacefully due to all the enemies outside. You can't rest INSIDE the fortress due to lack of rations.

Are you playing on very hard??? Trolls are very easy to kill after level 5. It is like level 6-8 dungeon. Have no idea how you can have problems on normalish difficulty. Just pull them at some doorway and kill them one at a time if you have such problems. I noticed that bottle necking is very important skill in the game.

 

[Grampy_Bone]

I do like that the game allows you to qualify for feats with stat-boosting items. The NWN games didn't allow that, I don't recall if TOEE did.

 

[glass blackbird]

The final boss of troll dungeon is pretty tough comparatively though, so maybe he's stuck on that?

 

[Shadenuat]

I do like that the game allows you to qualify for feats with stat-boosting items. The NWN games didn't allow that, I don't recall if TOEE did.

Which I am still not sure if a bug or a feature.

 

[glass blackbird]

I do like that the game allows you to qualify for feats with stat-boosting items. The NWN games didn't allow that, I don't recall if TOEE did.

I didn't initially realize that you could qualify for AT by just taking the sneak attack feat, so I didn't pursue it because I didn't want more rogue levels. If I started over I'd just do wizard until I got that and then switch over, I think

 

[fantadomat]

Mostly just curious about this magical potion he is brewing.

Skip it, he is just trying to make moonshine.

If only he was....i would have loved to help him. His quest is very buggy,for me he doesn't even give the potion,he was just spamming me every time i was in the throne room. Had to kick him off because potions are useless for me and he was annoying. It is amazing how there isn't even a single useful craftsman. All of them spam useless tosh that i would sell in a second....and all of their quests are bugged.


toro Who the fuck goes in a place called "valley of the dead" without provisions. I always take at least 30 provisions with me. Also that dungeon could be cleaned with rest or two. You just have to have that headgear that doubles the healing power of chanting. Shame that my super cleric decided to nick it and run behind a bug protected teleport.


Also what nymph quest???

How do you manage to lug around 30 provisions though?

A lot of strength bells and strength companions early on. Now i just ignore the weight with the cheat engine. Still my group weight doesn't go past medium. The problem is when you are in the capital you alone go around with all that junk,it is extremely slow and pointless.

 

[Grampy_Bone]

I do like that the game allows you to qualify for feats with stat-boosting items. The NWN games didn't allow that, I don't recall if TOEE did.

Which I am still not sure if a bug or a feature.

Its how the PnP games have always worked.

 

[dragonul09]

Mostly just curious about this magical potion he is brewing.

Skip it, he is just trying to make moonshine.

If only he was....i would have loved to help him. His quest is very buggy,for me he doesn't even give the potion,he was just spamming me every time i was in the throne room. Had to kick him off because potions are useless for me and he was annoying. It is amazing how there isn't even a single useful craftsman. All of them spam useless tosh that i would sell in a second....and all of their quests are bugged.


toro Who the fuck goes in a place called "valley of the dead" without provisions. I always take at least 30 provisions with me. Also that dungeon could be cleaned with rest or two. You just have to have that headgear that doubles the healing power of chanting. Shame that my super cleric decided to nick it and run behind a bug protected teleport.


Also what nymph quest???

How do you manage to lug around 30 provisions though?

Buy the backpacks that gives 100+ more space?

 

[Fedora Master]

you gave her the wrong shield.

I've not seen any even slightly magical tower shields so far.

e: You can't leave the Troll fortress if you got in peacefully due to all the enemies outside. You can't rest INSIDE the fortress due to lack of rations.

Are you playing on very hard??? Trolls are very easy to kill after level 5. It is like level 6-8 dungeon. Have no idea how you can have problems on normalish difficulty. Just pull them at some doorway and kill them one at a time if you have such problems. I noticed that bottle necking is very important skill in the game.

Yea I'm on Challenging. Thought with a bit of foreknowledge and better optimization I could handle the game better but apparently it really doesn't matter how good you are, the stat buffs are too much.

 

[fantadomat]

toro Means I'll soon hit Chapter IV right? Need to stop and wait for patching?

Well, shit hit the fan. Big time. Chapter IV or V seems to be unplayable (I honestly don't know which one).

Spoiler

Tristian is gone because reasons. Amiri is gone because her personal quest is fucked.

There are two urgent events but my main party is MiA. Elder Elemental Fire "random" encounter.

The inventory is bugged. Even the map is fucked.

Cherry on top: Autosave system broke. It's saving in the wrong location. WTF.

Surprisingly few bugs before this but now it looks like my game exploded.

Honestly I had a bad feeling when that shit hit me with 160 Unholy damage. I guess they did not polish the end game areas.



I guess my 1st play-through is done. 70h. Not bad at all. 6 regions unlocked. Learned a lot of things.

This game needs serious patching but it has the potential to become a real new classic (Which is more that I can say about PoE2 or even DOS2).

They must patch the inventory, the encounters RNG and polish the end game areas. At minimum.

Yeah that chapter is unplayable,it is filled with all kind of bugs and halfassed triggers. Also the events are shit. I will wait for the patch before i continue with the tristan quest. The game will be a true gem in a year time,after all the dlc and patches come out.

 

[Shadenuat]

Why would you lug around 30 provisions? You at most need 12-18 per biggest most difficult dungeons. The rest you can just hunt for/quickrest on world map.

I hope you guys do not collect all the hide armors and masterwork kobold spears as well and only take gems and shit, right?

 

[Fedora Master]

I've noticed that some choose-your-own-adventure encounters take into account whether or not you have ropes, torches and other utility items. The game just doesn't tell you. Take the Waterlogged Lowland for example.

 

[fantadomat]

you gave her the wrong shield.

I've not seen any even slightly magical tower shields so far.

e: You can't leave the Troll fortress if you got in peacefully due to all the enemies outside. You can't rest INSIDE the fortress due to lack of rations.

Are you playing on very hard??? Trolls are very easy to kill after level 5. It is like level 6-8 dungeon. Have no idea how you can have problems on normalish difficulty. Just pull them at some doorway and kill them one at a time if you have such problems. I noticed that bottle necking is very important skill in the game.

Yea I'm on Challenging. Thought with a bit of foreknowledge and better optimization I could handle the game better but apparently it really doesn't matter how good you are, the stat buffs are too much.

Trolls were a lot easier for me than the enemies in the first chapter. Just make the fighter chick a tank and give her some nice heavy armour. At level 13 i have her have 41 AC without any buffs.

 

[toro]

toro Who the fuck goes in a place called "valley of the dead" without provisions. I always take at least 30 provisions with me. Also that dungeon could be cleaned with rest or two. You just have to have that headgear that doubles the healing power of chanting. Shame that my super cleric decided to nick it and run behind a bug protected teleport.


Also what nymph quest???

Can you use spoiler tag?

Spoiler

Yes, I fucked up but it happens to be out of supplies and you have to cross the fucking map to buy some camping supplies.

And even like that, I managed to do the entire dungeon on Normal up to the last boss for which I had no counter at that time.

nymph = Bloom Guardian quest. I kept it for a long time.

 

[fantadomat]

Why would you lug around 30 provisions? You at most need 12-18 per biggest most difficult dungeons. The rest you can just hunt for/quickrest on world map.

I hope you guys do not collect all the hide armors and masterwork kobold spears as well and only take gems and shit, right?

Well you could never know. I do go for a month long expeditions,like the one in the mountains . There are quite a few dungeons hat you find,also some times you to get fewer rations from hunting than needed.