Pathfinder Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous Beta Thread [GAME RELEASED, GO TO NEW THREAD]

[Roguey]

"help I didn't prepare properly the game is at fault!"

The adjustment would be "you can't win with a single roll," making it harder.

 

[Desiderius]

"stop punishing me for failure"

A great deal of quality games punish failure without forcing you to sit through a cutscene to get back to where you failed. Additionally, if the difference between success and failure in a ~difficult~ boss fight can be decided by a single roll at the beginning, then it sounds like the encounter needs to be adjusted.

Indeed. That's what the in-game difficulty slider is for. If you're suggesting that it necessarily comes down to a single roll there you are mistaken. The resources are there to take RNG out of play if you go all out. Even on Hard.

 

[Desiderius]

I'm not sure what to say.

I think "I'm too proud to put the difficulty at an appropriate level for my own design choices/level of commitment" works.

Roguey, your unspoken premise is that people will have to sit through it multiple times in a single playthrough (the initial complaint). If you're saying it's too long to sit through at all no it just isn't.

I played it once on Hard for testing and went all out so Lann was Druid with Pet, main was Bard, Seelah was maxxed out for Smite, Cam on Hampering and didn't seem particularly difficult. I never noticed it was annoying because it wasn't. If I know I don't have optimal party I don't crank difficulty all the way up until I have to for challenge.

I guess maybe have a button that lets you skip cutscenes after you've completed the game or something would be a decent compromise.

 

[rusty_shackleford]

"help I didn't prepare properly the game is at fault!"

The adjustment would be "you can't win with a single roll," making it harder.

It's unfair that I'm expected to equip my characters, level them up, and prepare for an encounter. If I die in a single roll then it is simply the game's fault.

 

[Roguey]

Indeed. That's what the in-game difficulty slider. If you're suggesting that it necessarily comes down to a single roll there you are mistaken. The resources are there to take RNG out of play if you go all out. Even on Hard.

You're the guys saying that people are reloading to win through better rolls (extremely unlikely unless it's just one or slightly more than one).

 

[mediocrepoet]

I'm not sure what to say.

I think "I'm too proud to put the difficulty at an appropriate level for my own design choices/level of commitment" works.

Good luck with remedial English class.

 

[Desiderius]

Indeed. That's what the in-game difficulty slider. If you're suggesting that it necessarily comes down to a single roll there you are mistaken. The resources are there to take RNG out of play if you go all out. Even on Hard.

You're the guys saying that people are reloading to win through better rolls (extremely unlikely unless it's just one or slightly more than one).

That's because they're doing that instead of using the tools at their disposal. The purpose of this part of the tutorial is to viscerally illustrate the unviability of that approach going forward. Now you can say no they're trying out different things then you're better off doing that at an appropriate difficulty level.

 

[Desiderius]

I'm not sure what to say.

I think "I'm too proud to put the difficulty at an appropriate level for my own design choices/level of commitment" works.

Good luck with remedial English class.

If you're complaining about having to repeat a cutscene several times in a row that the rest of us don't have to that's the natural conclusion. That was the original complaint.

 

[rusty_shackleford]

REMINDER: shitters will ignore you before considering getting good at a game

 

[Desiderius]

REMINDER: shitters will ignore you before considering getting good at a game

These aren't shitters. They'll figure it out. And the cutscenes are too long and gay.

 

[Roguey]

That's because they're doing that instead of using the tools at their disposal. The purpose of this part of the tutorial is to viscerally illustrate the unviability of that approach going forward. Now you can say no they're trying out different things then you're better off doing that at an appropriate difficulty level.

I doubt they put that much thought into it.

 

[Utgard-Loki]

REMINDER: shitters will ignore you before considering getting good at a game

shitters like Vargr Raekr who is ignoring the entire forum. wtf who is this guy, has anyone ever seen him actually post?

 

[Desiderius]

That's because they're doing that instead of using the tools at their disposal. The purpose of this part of the tutorial is to viscerally illustrate the unviability of that approach going forward. Now you can say no they're trying out different things then you're better off doing that at an appropriate difficulty level.

I doubt they put that much thought into it.

Seems pretty straightforward. Designers put a decent amount of thought into pros and cons of savescumming and how to prevent it.

 

[rusty_shackleford]

never forget what they took from you

 

[Roguey]

Seems pretty straightforward. Designers put a decent amount of thought into pros and cons of savescumming and how to prevent it.

I get the impression that unless they're Josh Sawyer they don't think about it at all.

 

[rusty_shackleford]

people who savescum are nearly as bad as furries

 

[Delterius]

mandragora swarms

 

[Desiderius]

Seems pretty straightforward. Designers put a decent amount of thought into pros and cons of savescumming and how to prevent it.

I get the impression that unless they're Josh Sawyer they don't think about it at all.

I mean it's definitely set up to give you ways around the RNG and to make life difficult if you're just relying on good rolls and not availing yourselves of those ways.

Example: a lot of people grew up on Tank, Spank, and Heal which leaves you pretty vulnerable to bad rolls on the spanker if you haven't figured out a way to get her buffed beyond the RNG yet whereas the tough fights in P:K aren't really designed to be tanked and healing is also not great for various reasons (most of which they've fixed in Wrath, though not getting hit probably is still better) so you're better off having everyone be an offensive threat which reduces one's reliance on RNG by orders of magnitude via sheer redundancy.

 

[Utgard-Loki]

never forget what they took from you

the real problem with kingmaker encounters was not being able to fuck off and instead being forced to reload. also btw, really great how they made the cave bigger to compensate for the swarms. thanks, we really needed more busywork in the game.

 

[Delterius]

yeah i mean its like 2 whole encounters in the cave

 

[Thonius]

Update: Hosilla's boss fight has no right being this difficult AND having a 2 minutes long unskippable cutscene before it. It's annoying design.

I must admit, I do hate fights that have a massive long convo tree or cutscene right before. Player punishment should be the shame of loss, not boredom going through the same pre-sequence again.

Cant save mid-combat. Boss is two-stage with dialog in between, pause after 1st stage is not enough to save or just no pause. :^)

 

[santino27]

I do think being able to skip in-engine cinematics (like Hossila or even the intro invasion) after seeing them at least once makes sense. As a serial restarter, there's a lot of fluff to slog through that loses its interest on the 2nd or 9th viewing.

 

[Heroic Liberator]

So do we know if we turn undead during the beta on the Lich path? Desiderius forgive me, but now I'm thinking of dumping CON.

 

[Delterius]

So do we know if we turn undead during the beta on the Lich path? Desiderius forgive me, but now I'm thinking of dumping CON.

5 con elf wizard: born with an inability to breathe without breaking his spine, becomes a lich because he hates God

borderline classic literature

 

[Desiderius]

I do think being able to skip in-engine cinematics (like Hossila or even the intro invasion) after seeing them at least once makes sense. As a serial restarter, there's a lot of fluff to slog through that loses its interest on the 2nd or 9th viewing.

So can only skip on first viewing each playthrough?

Sounds perfect.