Pathfinder Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous Beta Thread [GAME RELEASED, GO TO NEW THREAD]

[Desiderius]

God, I am glad I didn't go as Azata with that gay fucking dragon in the Abyss.

It was Hobbits that brought baleful Barad-dûr crashing down. I anticipate that Dragon being just the tool for the task at hand.

CG vs CE is the story of the 20th Century. We live in the inevitable hangover.

 

[Tacgnol]

Crafting if it exists at all should have opportunity cost assigned to them. Currently for Scrolls and Potions it is only availble while camping which increase corruption for example.

Being able to craft axiomatic keen weapon +3 endlessly would pretty much break the game balance not to mention other stuff associated with crafting magical item. It's not even about the money.

The balance of crafting in 3.5/PF is supposed to be the feat, skill and spell investments. It also takes a lot of time.

You can't make full progress during an adventuring day, so unless you have a ton of downtime you aren't going to be churning out high end stuff.

In PF you can lose the expensive materials if you flub the crafting checks too many times as well.

yeah that's the thing, it usually is done on downtime and it is usually controlled by GM, so GM can balance this

the thing is WotR is a mixed bag of time-based and objective-based narrative progression. Before you trigger certain quests you have virtually unlimited time as downtime which means you can craft away. The other thing is material but in video games player can always game the result in non-ironmode which means the itemization part of the balance can be completely thrown out of window.

Feat cost is meaningless when you can spen 4k gold and make a master mercenaries specialized for Crafting.

Mercenaries is indeed a bit of an issue with the crafting rules as they are.

On the tabletop it takes a significant feat sacrifice to have a good crafting character, with Owlcat's system it's very easy to have a craft monkey.

I guess ultimately it doesn't really matter, as much like the first game, someone will fully implement crafting in a mod for people that want it.

 

[Desiderius]

+10 CL (1 per mythic rank)

The mark of the theorycrafter. Evaluate everything as if you had already finished the game.

Actually playing it, you spend most of the game at 0-3 Mythic levels.

The nice thing about crafting scrolls is you have a Scroll Savant who uses the scrolls she creates, so it’s natural, and potions don’t have offensive abilities so not game breaking.

 

[Shadenuat]

I found crafteng absolutely useless. Only used it very early on chars I didn't want to fill the gaps in some important scrolls. Main problem is rest limit, I just don't rest that much.

It should be a lot more interesting, your companions should be able to craft unique stuff, and on rest screen it even says something like that.

Wrapping up Chapter 3, the quality is consistently good, not brilliant but locations are a lot more memorable than anything in PKM. All the problems arise only from stupid minigames, ass traveling speed, autistic map traveling "go with Wenduag back into first city and then through city then back through city then back then make a hook around world to get Ember" etc. Where da faq are teleport circles? Why don't you still get options to evade random encounters with varied skills like in Zehir? Why are there even random encounters? And stupid cards of course. It's all so half assed.

 

[Sjukob]

Somebody mined some new portraits. Evil Woljif, Arueshalae and swarm PC:

Spoiler

FFS Nenio

Does the game let you kill Nocticula? And can you just attack everything on sight once you go to the abyss?

 

[Delterius]

+10 CL (1 per mythic rank)

The mark of the theorycrafter. Evaluate everything as if you had already finished the game.

No. You have to draw distinctions. Some mythic feats like to turn 1-per-rank bonuses into something more powerful at rank 10. Azata does that twice. Trickster will eventually cast wands at CL 15 but most of the time you have infinite Fireballs at healthy CLs like 8 to 11 (base of the wand is 5, +3 to 6). A much nicer filler action for full casters than casting the slumber hex (that was so great at level 1) or using a toiny crossbow to the end of the game.

And that's because Owlcast hasn't implemented Wizard Discoveries, Staves and the Stave like Wand discovery.

 

[Yosharian]

Image hosting sites behaving weirdly ATM. IBB is working on my phone, but not my computer. And those 4chan links also work on my phone, but on my computer they don't hotlink, and when I click on them I get those fucking retarded captchas that take 20 mins to solve.

 

[Shadenuat]

A much nicer filler action for full casters than casting the slumber hex (that was so great at level 1)

But hexes generally are better than fireballs, and Slumber works just fine beyond level 1. Fireball is only any good if you pick mythic to remove energy resistances and preferably stack DCs (hello +25 reflex swarms though). And mythic for extra spells/level will give you 8-12 fireballs anyway if you want them.

 

[Salvo]

Somebody mined some new portraits. Evil Wolfjif, Arueshalae and swarm PC:

Spoiler

FFS Nenio

Does the game let you kill Nocticula? And can you just attack everything on sight once you go to the abyss?

The Swarm one is fucking incredible. The path itself will probably handle like an edgy school shooter's power trip, but the portrait sure is fantastic.

 

[Percy]

+10 CL (1 per mythic rank)

The mark of the theorycrafter. Evaluate everything as if you had already finished the game.

No. You have to draw distinctions. Some mythic feats like to turn 1-per-rank bonuses into something more powerful at rank 10. Azata does that twice. Trickster will eventually cast wands at CL 15 but most of the time you have infinite Fireballs at healthy CLs like 8 to 11 (base of the wand is 5, +3 to 6). A much nicer filler action for full casters than casting the slumber hex (that was so great at level 1) or using a toiny crossbow to the end of the game.

And that's because Owlcast hasn't implemented Wizard Discoveries, Staves and the Stave like Wand discovery.

Unlimited dimension door and haste would be pretty sweet too.

 

[Percy]

Somebody mined some new portraits. Evil Wolfjif, Arueshalae and swarm PC:

Spoiler

FFS Nenio

Does the game let you kill Nocticula? And can you just attack everything on sight once you go to the abyss?

I didn't try. She reveals something pretty huge if true. I don't think you can. You can refuse her but I didn't bother.

As for the portraits I think you can influence those decisions in chapter 4 for Wojif and Aru. I went the good/neutral (cuck) route.

I've spent ages looking for some dude using dimension door to get onto roofs. He better be actually attainable in the beta.

Spoiler

socothbenoth

 

[Ghulgothas]

Somebody mined some new portraits. Evil Wolfjif, Arueshalae and swarm PC:

Spoiler

Hoo hoo yeah, now that's what I'm talking about! A face so beautiful, clad in the only the finest silks the Wound can provide. With bitin' wit, she dominates the scene with her presence alone, I don't even have give her name, you know who I'm talkin' about.

Spoiler

Lady of the Swarm, right here baby!

 

[Desiderius]

FFS Nenio

She's growing on me. Shld have been a dude but airhead energy unmistakable.

 

[FreeKaner]

Somebody mined some new portraits. Evil Wolfjif, Arueshalae and swarm PC:

Spoiler

I am not sure what is going on in here, but I like it. I also curse the name of Owlcat for the whole Woljif bait.

 

[Desiderius]

much nicer filler action for full casters than casting the slumber hex (that was so great at level 1) or using a toiny crossbow to the end of the game.

If you're using Ember for filler actions I don't even know what to say.

There's this class called Witch. It's bonkers. Maybe try it some day. She's the OG Trickster.

I already have infinite Fireballs at that point from my MC Alchy.

 

[LannTheStupid]

CG vs CE is the story of the 20th Century. We live in the inevitable hangover.

The USA is surely lawful evil. You have the rule of law, haven't you?

 

[The Cunny Commander]

Somebody mined some new portraits. Evil Wolfjif, Arueshalae and swarm PC:

Spoiler

FFS Nenio

Does the game let you kill Nocticula? And can you just attack everything on sight once you go to the abyss?

How the fuck did they mine that? There are like 700 asset files to comb over

 

[LannTheStupid]

How the fuck did they mine that? There are like 700 asset files to comb over

for i in `ls -r1 *` ; do strings $i | grep -i noctic ; done

I think the most complex part is unpacking.

 

[Desiderius]

dude using dimension door to get onto roofs. He better be actually attainable in the beta.

Spoiler

socothbenoth

He introduces himself to you if you're a Trickster.

"Good = cuck" is like the ur-retarded take. No wonder all you clowns want to RP Evil all the time.

The people who transvalued your values weren't doing it out of the kindness of their hearts so that you could win all the internets with your spicy takes. If you're buying what they're selling you're the cuck Dr. Faust.

 

[Desiderius]

CG vs CE is the story of the 20th Century. We live in the inevitable hangover.

The USA is surely lawful evil. You have the rule of law, haven't you?

Funny man, this Slav.

 

[Yosharian]

What's the verdict on Arueshalae? Haven't played the beta, just wondering what people think of her so far. Improvement on female companions in KM?

Also agreed that Swarm portrait is sick. I like all of these portraits actually, I think they are much better than Kingmaker's.

 

[Shadenuat]

Unlimited dimension door and haste would be pretty sweet too.

Again, 7-11 dimension doors/day if you want and more hastes than you can use even if you just cast it every encounter. And game gives you resting spots like crusader supplies or just balances dungeons. And then you get mythic that makes lengthen metamagic 0 cost. There's nothing in particular to be excited about there.

I think I have about 20 hastes now if I want. 6 from lich extra spellbook but I use itfor other stuff. I have 4 hastes on skeleton pet bard and nenio has like 12.
I only memorise 5-6 tho.

What's the verdict on Arueshalae? Haven't played the beta, just wondering what people think of her so far

very cringy

 

[Desiderius]

This game will reveal the limits of just about everyone's imaginations.

 

[InD_ImaginE]

What's the verdict on Arueshalae? Haven't played the beta, just wondering what people think of her so far. Improvement on female companions in KM?

honestly no, hard waifubait, uneven writing. Honestly, I actually like the female companion in KM as I am not drunk in muh politics which seems to be most people's problem with them ¯\_(ツ)_/¯. The one I dislike the most Jaethal seems to be the only popular one in Codex besides Tiefling Twin so eh, different strokes and all.

She will probably appeal to people which just want to be adorned full of love or something. Evil one seems not to be in-game yet, probably chapter 5.

 

[LannTheStupid]

She will probably appeal to people which just want to be adorned full of love or something. Evil one seems not to be in-game yet, probably chapter 5.

Judging by the portraits alone only evil Arueshalae worth dealing with.

P.S.: and Jaethal is amazing!