Pathfinder Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous Beta Thread [GAME RELEASED, GO TO NEW THREAD]

[ERYFKRAD]

Dragon being just the tool

Nothing new.

 

[Shadenuat]

FFS Nenio

She's growing on me. Shld have been a dude but airhead energy unmistakable.

People get used to everything bad eventually

 

[Desiderius]

She will probably appeal to people which just want to be adorned full of love or something. Evil one seems not to be in-game yet, probably chapter 5.

She will be adorned by those who want to own the game lock stock and barrel. Which ended up unexpectedly being the case with Jae. Not a fan of either character for surprisingly similar reasons. Redeemed whore ends up a grown woman, not an ingenue. So sry sweet cheeks, you wore out the bloom of youth long ago. You don't get that shit back.

People get used to everything bad eventually

That's the nice part of autism. You don't. Wolj has been kicked to the curb. I mean Nenio actually has an appeal. That Daeran writing was in fact out of (savvy) character for him. Nenio owned Notie there, and not by bringing up her N, but by trivializing it. And I suspect Nenio knew it on some level.

I am not drunk in muh politics which seems to be most people's problem with them ¯\_(ツ)_/¯.

Sexual politics are about way more than politics (as presently understood) and way less (than classically). In any event people coming at it from that angle didn't play enough of the game to know what the fuck they're talking about. My guess now is that the femalewriters are trying to be woke but are so profoundly bad at it (for reasons that ultimately reflect well on them) that they're in effect trad.

 

[InD_ImaginE]

She will probably appeal to people which just want to be adorned full of love or something. Evil one seems not to be in-game yet, probably chapter 5.

She will be adorned by those who want to own the game lock stock and barrel. Which ended up unexpectedly being the case with Jae. Not a fan of either character for surprisingly similar reasons. Redeemed whore ends up a grown woman, not an ingenue.

Yeah she is overtuned stats wise. She has like the highest point buy right? And her Archtype is soemthing like Freeboter as well giving good AB bonus to everybody. Mechanically she is amazing much like Jaethal is.

 

[Delterius]

If you're using Ember for filler actions I don't even know what to say.

I am not, what are you even talking about? "Here's what one character does when faced with trash combat" does not at all lend to "Yeah this guy uses <character> for filler exclusively". That's not even possible. You're free falling into the abyss of conclusion making.

It's Kingmaker. You're level 10 and you run into kobold alchemists. They don't pose a threat to you in any way. This isn't a fight. It's filler. And filler fights beget filler actions. Everyone in the party auto attacks the kobolds to death, the end. A Witch can cast vomit swarm just for the heck of it or cast a Misfortune Hex but it won't do anything. That's not that kind of fight. People are dead already. And its my personal and completely non min maxy preference that instead of firing a crossbow and missing the caster waves a wand of magic missile and deals useless damage against an useless monster.

The thing about filler is that it can happen very often. It can happen during a dungeon crawl. Sometimes they happen over and over again and spending your spell slots on those is a wager that you won't need them in any of the other 20 more pressing fights that may or may not happen in said dungeon. The reason why Witches are comfy is that they can just hex all day long and be at max performance throught all moderate and hard fights. But if it happens that I'm not playing a Witch I'll get the Wizard a wand or a bunch of scrolls.

I already have infinite Fireballs at that point from my MC Alchy.

Infinite or plentiful?

A much nicer filler action for full casters than casting the slumber hex (that was so great at level 1)

But hexes generally are better than fireballs, and Slumber works just fine beyond level 1. Fireball is only any good if you pick mythic to remove energy resistances and preferably stack DCs (hello +25 reflex swarms though). And mythic for extra spells/level will give you 8-12 fireballs anyway if you want them.

Fireball is just a simple example of what I want to do. It's an accessible wand which according to PFR rules has a base caster level of 5. So when you first turn into a trickster at rank 3 it's casting spells at CL 8. It's a nice filler action. A better light crossbow for the equivalent kobold encounters, that's all I want. Even if it just exists in my mind.

Contrary to Desideratio's beliefs I am not min maxing for a broken character at level 20. All I did was describe how the UMD Rank 2 Trickery works. I mean. If you know me I can barely stand arcane trickster since it delays spell level access by ~one whole level~. I am about the experience from start to finish but also about my own little eccentricities. It isn't about breaking the game for me. It's about what I like to do. And as it turns out if there's one thing I hate doing it is resting. At all. I never rest until the game twists my arm over it. If I feel the devs can't help themselves and will make obligatory dungeons with 50+ dumbass fights I'll just refrain from higher difficulties because I will not rest in a dungeon or in the middle of assaulting the enemy maze. So I played Kingmaker on Challenging, but was pleasantly surprised that Owlcat didn't fuck up dungeon design until the House that shall not be named.

What makes it fun is that I also like to play wizards. So I cast with staying power in mind. I pick spells that can shut down fights by a single or at most two castings, which gives me an emphasis on crowd control. The most fun I had in Kingmaker was when I first assaulted Vordakai's tomb. I'd make liberal use of Grease, Glitterdust, Chains of Light and so on to avoid being damaged at all. I didn't have as many death wards as I ended up needing and got to the Lich with one or two spells left on my Sorcerer and everyone kinda fucked up. It wasn't a hard fight. Vordakai's encounter itself is super disappointing. No prebuffing, no personal guards, nothing. Just his familiar. But the attrition of it all almost made up for it. And since I'm playing a game with vancian casting, the uniqueness of the experience pays for itself.

 

[Shadenuat]

Yeah she is overtuned stats wise. She has like the highest point buy right?

Stats is nice addition when it comes to skills and all, but the whole thing is about her build. It's like Ekun on steroids who has humans and demons in favorite enemies and shares them on the party. Her AB ends up so high that on Hard I run her with both fast shot and deadly shot activated and she still hits (and crits for 150 dmg) with every attack. Throw Ember in with Luck, and some items that give auras/etc ab dmg and you have an artillery brigade.
For a reason unknown (by that I mean, class is already strong, might as well not have this) she also can autoconfirm all crits to the point of 1-rounding bosses before they can even act. She can even kill swarms which have a reasonable hp and only suffer 0.5 damage from physical weapons (for some reason even on Hardest I've yet to find swarm that can't be killed with weapons, idiotic).

Btw aside from Lann and Aru there is another specced archer: undead slayer. She doesn't talk much but has a very cute portrait. You can also throw (a semi-useless bugged non leveling but whatever) skeleton archer pet for 4 archers if you want. Not sure why u d want it but a funny fact.

It's Kingmaker. You're level 10 and you run into kobold alchemists. They don't pose a threat to you in any way

Yeah but WOTR has a bit different enemy composition. Its kobolds have enough SR to just shrug off your wand. I mean sure it will work on easier difficulties but so would left-clicking.

WOTR is designed somewhat differently from PKM when it comes to encounters and dungeons.

 

[Desiderius]

There are no Kobold Alchemists at level ten on KM. There are no trash fights in KM if you're playing the proper difficulty for your skill level. If you aren't why do you want to go to the trouble of dodging fireballs?

Filler actions also could mean saving the good stuff for the hard fights but with abundant casting that's much less of a thing as Shad explained.

 

[Delterius]

my teacher once asked me: if you're not quickening 10 spells per round why even live

 

[Percy]

my teacher once asked me: if you're not quickening 10 spells per round why even live

This should help

 

[InD_ImaginE]

(for some reason even on Hardest I've yet to find swarm that can't be killed with weapons, idiotic).

this is issue of size

the swarm in WotR is of the small size (rats, giant locust) which take 0.5 damage

the one that take 0 damage from precision weaponary are fine sized and below I think? like spiders in KM

 

[Shadenuat]

I know the rules of size. The question is why designers only use hittable swarms.
Well I mean we can guess the answer but it's sad.

 

[Xamenos]

my teacher once asked me: if you're not quickening 10 spells per round why even live

Only one swift action per turn, you dirty, dirty cheater.

 

[Desiderius]

Delt is right tho infinite wand of shittyish fireball is decent caster action economy level 8-12ish. I mean you’re just playing a Kineticist then but still.

I prefer some variety* but people like what they like. You could even use it on Evil MC with that weird Mythic that buffs team when you damage them.

* - this is why I don’t want wand crafting, but they shld bring Wand Mastery up to Scroll Savant level for people who want to do this, and maybe add feat for it.

Thing I learned in P:K is that dedicated caster doesn’t really need filler action economy by midgame because spellbook fills up fast. That goes double with abundant casting and more rests in Wrath.

 

[Desiderius]

my teacher once asked me: if you're not quickening 10 spells per round why even live

I like to buy Quicken Rods for a million gold then never get around to using them.

 

[Shadenuat]

you could even use it on Evil MC with that weird Mythic that buffs team when you damage them

I thought about picking up that mythic for lich due to having all these semi-worthless negative channels that are weak enough anyway to not harm party.

 

[Desiderius]

Jae Cleric negative channels in House should theoretically let her solo Swarms but never tried it.

 

[Delterius]

my teacher once asked me: if you're not quickening 10 spells per round why even live

Only one swift action per turn, you dirty, dirty cheater.

new trickster feat fresh off the press: quicken quicken quicken spell

spells cast this round affect the previous chapter

 

[Percy]

Best Trickster feat I did so far in this play through is gender re-assignment.

 

[Knut]

refraining from plazing but it looks like there is much more to like than not. especially if it's an improvement ovem KM.

what are sosiel and daeran like? sos seems like stupid good and least interesting so far and daeran an edgy queen. or is there more to them?

 

[Percy]

refraining from plazing but it looks like there is much more to like than not. especially if it's an improvement ovem KM.

what are sosiel and daeran like? sos seems like stupid good and least interesting so far and daeran an edgy queen. or is there more to them?

Daeran is good. I like his dialogue. He is a healbot in my opinion.

Soseil has some quests which test his faith and commitment to his god. I think there's potential for a turn in the finished game. At first glance I didn't like him but I have been giving him a chance. I like having him in the same party as Regil.

 

[Shadenuat]

what are sosiel and daeran like? sos seems like stupid good and least interesting so far and daeran an edgy queen

They compare like gay Anomen and Viconia in both writing and as combat characters. Daeran is better written and is full caster, Sosiel is some cringe, but is pure cleric with 16 str 19 wis and glaive so, in my opinion, is the best cleric in the game. Being one of those oddball wisdom casters he also can into Religion & Perception - both important skills in this game too. He also has Good domain, which is, ahem, good.

 

[Delterius]

a cleric with free reach weapon and a greasebot meet in a bar, they become friends forever

 

[Desiderius]

Sosiel is regrettably the queen. Add swift Charm/Prayer to Reach Martial fast spell progression + Abundant + infinite WIS yeah pretty busted.

Daeran will end up dominant in Combat, but he takes a while to get there. In fact you can't yet since Second Mystery is broken. He can also be an Evocation specialist with Holy Smite and Archon's Aura to get AoE damage that debuffs, bypasses DR, and is no freindly fire. Or both most likely.

His writing is up there with Regill's in a Young Werther way. Reminds me of where Tehanu ended up.

The best critic of Galfreyism. Much needed given the evident state of the Crusade at the start of the game.

EDIT: Yeah Daeran is super Healbot right out of the gate which is nice to have for newbs.

 

[Knut]

clerics are one of the more interesting RP classes IMO, its kind of rare to see them done right, especially good aligned. good aligned does not mean cheesy, stupid or naive (saw banters with regill). quest does seem like it could be interesting, we'll see.

fingers crossed or ill have to be cleric myself.

 

[Shadenuat]

a cleric with free reach weapon and a greasebot meet in a bar, they become friends forever

More like Crusaders Edge bot. Eventually you get some cool spells but it really takes a while. His early feats and selections are healingz. You would want to even party out by taking more martials to actually have the benefits of all that support.

Game is a bit stingy when it comes to restoration and other scrolls as well so you want something in the party and don't sell Diamond dusts.

But people like their spontaneous casters I guess, even if traditional one at same level would already be able to pick and choose from every spell available and cast like 5 of them with mythic feat.

no freindly fire

Unless your party is Evil or Chaotic