Pathfinder Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous Beta Thread [GAME RELEASED, GO TO NEW THREAD]

[Sarkile]

I want to create a 20fighter/20barbarian as a legend since you can get the mythic legend to level 40. Should I build a legend on my first playthrough or wait? It doesn't seem like a mythic you would pick on your first playthrough

Was it confirmed whether it just doubles your levels, or if it allows for gestalt characters?

 

[Sharpedge]

I tried to be as vague as possible in my posts and warned of spoilers or used spoiler tags when my posts actually contained hard spoilers, though.

I know, but its still fair to warn people in advance.

It's less of an issue if you're playing as mage since you're usually attacking from a distance.

Yeah, melee gameplay does feel bad in pretty much any Elder Scrolls games. Bethesda just doesn't understand how to do action combat properly. Its not that its weak though (strictly speaking in Bethesda games usually stealth is the strongest), just that it feels awful.

P.S.: Sharpedge please unlock your profile page - I want to vandalize it. :>

Done.

 

[Efe]

Sarkile it reduces your xp cost per level (by a lot) and doubles cap.
gestalt is leveling two classes at same time, getting best of shared stats afaik, so not similar in slightest.

 

[Pink Eye]

Give me Areelu wife! Give me cute real mommy mommy wife with big breasts and fat butt!

Please stay out of trouble, okay.

 

[TumblingTorin]

I want to create a 20fighter/20barbarian as a legend since you can get the mythic legend to level 40. Should I build a legend on my first playthrough or wait? It doesn't seem like a mythic you would pick on your first playthrough

If you want to become a legend, you will want to reject any offer for more mythic power at certain points, like the power in the book at the Lab (after you reject the power, you can still grab the book afterwards). You still get a mythic level up but it says your rejection becomes power. The game keeps track of how many times you reject these offerings as a Legend variable. I think I only saw 2 instances that the Legend variable popped up (was using the Toybox mod to see it), mainly from certain shady individuals. Legend, like Swarm and Gold Dragon, becomes a big thing in chapter 5 I believe.

Looking through some of the abilities in the files, there seems to be 2 different Legends. Legend isn't fully implemented yet, but it's description says you get +4 (the bonus is listed as Other) to all attributes and can level up to 40 (Max class level is still 20).

Give me Areelu wife! Give me cute real mommy mommy wife with big breasts and fat butt!

Well, she already acts like your mother in game.

 

[Sarkile]

Sarkile it reduces your xp cost per level (by a lot) and doubles cap.
gestalt is leveling two classes at same time, getting best of shared stats afaik, so not similar in slightest.

I understand what gestalt is, I just didn't know how Legend is going to be handled since I don't really follow the leaks. Obviously a straight level 40 Barbarian/Fighter would be strong, but a Barbarian/Fighter gestalt would not be ideal.

 

[Desiderius]

The list covers the issues.

scaring newbs -> faceroll

Do not do dis.

And.... right on cue we've got an emergency Beta survey for Wrath asking if the poor widdle babies think the game is too hard.

This is what happens when you repeat inaccurate bullshit about the game being "sadistic" (would that it were!) - newbs believe you and cry and get great design nerfed.

STOP

 

[Salvo]

The list covers the issues.

scaring newbs -> faceroll

Do not do dis.

And.... right on cue we've got an emergency Beta survey for Wrath asking if the poor widdle babies think the game is too hard.

This is what happens when you repeat inaccurate bullshit about the game being "sadistic" (would that it were!) - newbs believe you and cry and get great design nerfed.

STOP

You keep going off about something nobody said lol

Also:

>implying it's our fault discord noobs cry

 

[Desiderius]

You keep ignoring the list. It explains what you did. What people say about the game is what people think about the game.

You tell lies people believe them.

STOP.

If you coddle people they'll bitch more and more, which just leads to more coddling - if you challenge them and help them overcome the challenge they'll find out they enjoy it and seek out more.

 

[Haplo]

The alpha of this forum is Haplo, and there are several others ahead of me like Efe and ArchAngel. They’ve been smacking me down for over two years when I say something stupid like Salvo did here.

for the record I consider desiderius a better player than me.
He researches his topics and plays his builds (which puts him ahead of %99 of pathfinder "char builders") and doesnt blindly dig heels when confronted alternate opinions.
I try to pay attention what and why of builds but nowhere near as much as he.

Well said, Efe.
And thank you for the praise, Desiderius. Its true I did make 2 very strong builds that dominate the game by projecting my inner munchkin. But frankly, that's a pretty narrow approach, focused on the alpha main char or even suitable for solo play (although I do like party buffs/debuffs).

I do enjoy reading about your exploits, party synergies, as well as exploration of possibilities offered by the multitude of classes and feats, including modded ones - and Wrath classes and feats, as well as the item synergies.
Holistically, I think you've long surpassed me in Pathfinder crpg knowledge and party play

 

[Desiderius]

Cant really surpass you when it’s your ideas I’m using. I’m no power gamer - I’d never even played a game on the highest difficulty before or needed to. I just compared what Haplo was doing to what the power gamers and websites were recommending and went from there.

 

[Anonymous Wife Scholar]

Please stay out of trouble, okay.

Do not worry Monk anon it is okay Monk anon because I am cute heterosexual human male ethical wife scholar! I am! I do love you Monk anon! I do! You are my bestest friend forever anon!

Well, she already acts like your mother in game.

Thank you anon! You are a good anon! This does give me maximum soreness anon! It does! I am blasting anon! I am! You are a good anon!

 

[Desiderius]

More new gear:

Spoiler

New Bomb types both for equipment and for Alchemists

Anti-SR gear

The perfect equipment for your friendly neighborhood sniper

 

[Desiderius]

High level action:

Spoiler

Can someone explain to me how levels in different classes stack for foes? Is this guy like a maxxed out Legend?

Sometimes Leading Strike works in TB, sometimes it doesn't. I'm not sure what this even is but it's not Leading Strike since that's 5d6. His weapon is both Holy and Axiomatic but don't know what the first batch is.

Not sure what's happening here either but I think it involves Lann finally cashing in on that Combat Reflexes he starts the game with. His damage shouldn't be reduced either. Still a little buggy in the TB.

Also Daeran doing some decent tanking on Core.

ZA3/Urban Hunter 12 holding up pretty well, and that Order of the Godlaw from Regill a solid contributor too.

Seelah getting hit with random DR here too, but 6 attax is pretty good. Also missing Smite here.

No idea what's happening here with Regill doing 86 damage without even critting. Would be nice if they could breakdown that 57. Force is from Crusader's Edge.

Hatred should be +3 since she's level 15 (goes up to +4 at lvl 20). She'll eventually top out at +7 Bloodrage as well. Missing Flanking bonuses and Power Attack doesn't need to be on so that gets you into the 70s. True Strike and Favor from Aeon, the other stuff from Reformed Fiend.

That crit miss hurt because it had a Dispel Greater attached with caster level = character level + mythic level. Bloodrager of course gets Shield, Improved Uncanny Dodge, and Mirror Image.

That little damage packet at the bottom is Leading Strike that she's supposed to trigger with each attack but doesn't in TB. TB is easier to keep track of but looks like missing out on some things.

Enforcing Gaze - Attack is untyped AoE AB boost.

Nenio showing what Ki Strike can do against a tough foe on Core. Great way to attack low Fortitude.

 

[TumblingTorin]

By the way...

Spoiler

I believe Sosiel has a quest in the Fleshmarket if you bring him to talk to one of the slavers there. The Azata quest that involves the kidnapping of my pet dragon happened right after I left the Fleshmarket the first time. So I did the quest to get her back right away which ended up having me kill all the slavers there before I could bring Sosiel to talk to the arena slaver, and I didn't realize fucked up Sosiel's quest until long after.

 

[Percy]

By the way...

Spoiler

I believe Sosiel has a quest in the Fleshmarket if you bring him to talk to one of the slavers there. The Azata quest that involves the kidnapping of my pet dragon happened right after I left the Fleshmarket the first time. So I did the quest to get her back right away which ended up having me kill all the slavers there before I could bring Sosiel to talk to the arena slaver, and I didn't realize fucked up Sosiel's quest until long after.

Spoiler

This is correct, its to do with Trevor, he is a gladiator in Battle Blitz who has been sold by the black mask guy. This quest needs to be fleshed out a bit more in my opinion. Strangely enough, as a Trickster you can kill this guy and make it a clown mask but it doesnt seem to give you anything in your inventory which makes the loot whore that I am sad

 

[Reinhardt]

Is Ember a good buff bot?

 

[Desiderius]

Buffbot isn't a thing.

 

[Shadenuat]

loli is power. guard her well.

 

[zapotec]

Did they really add the furry race???????????????????????????????????????????????

 

[Stavrophore]

A good RPG with some unique ideas, but one that ultimately plays it too safe to really stand out from the crowd.

Obviously, by "playing too safe to stand out" the author meant spider swarms before the nerf.

Yeah very memorable and "interesting" fight, lugging 30 alchemist bombs, because your party miss all the time. Much big brain time.

 

[Desiderius]

A good RPG with some unique ideas, but one that ultimately plays it too safe to really stand out from the crowd.

Obviously, by "playing too safe to stand out" the author meant spider swarms before the nerf.

Yeah very memorable and "interesting" fight, lugging 30 alchemist bombs, because your party miss all the time. Much big brain time.

Like moths to the flame...

Didn't you have better things to do than helping some junkie get his fix?

 

[Stavrophore]

A good RPG with some unique ideas, but one that ultimately plays it too safe to really stand out from the crowd.

Obviously, by "playing too safe to stand out" the author meant spider swarms before the nerf.

Yeah very memorable and "interesting" fight, lugging 30 alchemist bombs, because your party miss all the time. Much big brain time.

Like moths to the flame...

Didn't you have better things to do than helping some junkie get his fix?

No i love annoying retarded fanboys. Every fanboy should be exterminated by a bullet in the head tbh.

 

[Pizzashoes]

loli is power. guard her well.

Damaged goods on the outside, pure on the inside.

 

[TumblingTorin]

Is Ember a good buff bot?

She can be a decent buffer, but there are better choices for that like Daeran or Sosiel. She is limited on her spell selection as a spontaneous caster that only get a small handful bonus spells (which are fire spells and only on the early levels). She'll have to rely on items that give bonus spells for spontaneous casters. She has some very good hex buffs but, unless you keep spamming cackle, those are better off saving for very hard encounters as they cannot be recast on someone again until 24 hrs. Ember does very well in focusing on fire attack spells as there are a decent amount of items to help with that. Hexes that Witches get like Evil Eye and Slumber are very good and stays good throughout the game and they synergizes with each other. Evil Eye always lands no matter what. Enemies making the save means the debuff only last for 1 round and you can always recast it as many times as you want. Giving an enemy a -4 to AC, attacks, or saves at later levels is huge. For Slumber, putting enemies to sleep while focusing priority targets is a life saver.

I built my Ember to focus on being a backup healer, sleep specialist, evil eye debuffer, and fire spell caster. I used Daeran as my main buffer/healer/holy spell tosser, as he gets like 2 bonus spells per spell level, which helps him have a lot of variety of things to do.