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Pathfinder Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous Beta Thread [GAME RELEASED, GO TO NEW THREAD]

Jaska

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also works with wands and scrolls atm, and it works on other people. as long as the archmage armor holder casts it.
Wait what I didn't even think of that. If it works on other people, you can just have you mage cast it on you. At mythic rank 5 in chapter 4, you'd then be at +9 ac with no gear on your part. Why would anyone wear light or medium armor at that point? Even heavy armor is pointless then, if you have enough dex or have dipped to sword saint or monk or both.
 

Delterius

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also works with wands and scrolls atm, and it works on other people. as long as the archmage armor holder casts it.
Wait what I didn't even think of that. If it works on other people, you can just have you mage cast it on you. At mythic rank 5 in chapter 4, you'd then be at +9 ac with no gear on your part. Why would anyone wear light or medium armor at that point? Even heavy armor is pointless then, if you have enough dex or have dipped to sword saint or monk or both.
Mind you, I'm positive that this is illegal per the game's rules. It's not like wands benefit from spell resistance or school focus feats. You're merely activating them.
 

Sharpedge

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The opportunity cost on archmage armour is really high, especially on casters because they have an even wider array of mythic feats to choose from than fighters. I don't think I would take it unless I was planning on putting a caster on the front line.
 
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FreeKaner

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The hurr, durr armor is useless is such a stupid made up problem. So many people destroying their builds chasing after this nonsense.

(1) Equipment slots are good - Wrath gives you all kinds of bonuses tacked on to armor, especially Light and Medium

(2) The big AC bracers your math relies on both don’t exist in Wrath and also eat up another equipment slot that you want to fill with additional bonuses rather than worrying about AC.

(3) Archmage Armor? Have none if you phaggots ever had to deal with opportunity costs in your lives? Mythic abilities are the rarest resource in the game and there is all kinds of broken shit they let casters do. Instead you’re blowing it on a couple AC because of some ghey meme from PnPers.

Use your Armor proficiencies. Play your class instead of chasing stupid memes. You’ll be ahead of the game and have a lot more fun. Isn’t the whole point of being an Archmage not having to worry about Armor in the first place?

The problem is real, bonuses like that of Monk were made with consideration that it would only be compensating for lack of armor for those who specialize and consolidate their offensive and defensive stats at the cost of feats. However it wasn't balanced around you having 30 dex and 24 cha/wis/int with bracers of armor that is as much armor as a full plate.

The problem will be lessened a bit if there aren't as good bracers of armor, but I reckon it will still be the case that to reach highest amount of AC you will go armorless which will be greater than what you lose from the slots, however it might be the case that the opportunity cost of dips and feats might balance it out.
 

Shadenuat

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Well that should't probably work like that eh?

And blowing mythic for Neni breaks her progression of DC/pen stack into caster that can actually land her spells. She's already not ideally built and you slow her down one more step.
 

Desiderius

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Insert Title Here Pathfinder: Wrath
It’s only a problem if you’re breaking your build and pissing away your Mythic ability on shit you don’t need. You guys haven’t even gotten to Leading Strike yet.

I will take it on Wolj (very) late. Maybe. Or if I’m playing Saint or something. Again very late. We’ll see. 9 times out of 10 you’re better off just wearing Armor if you can. If you can’t Archmage us something to look at once the bonus gets to an extra four or so, but usually you’ve got better things you want.

The going naked is (obviously) better meme is tremendously damaging to new players and I really hope that those who haven’t really looked at it closely will take another look before trapping them into chasing splashes and whatnot that impede their performance.
 

Desiderius

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The two biggest things missing among the companions are Alchemist and a big STR two-hander. Missing in that there’s really no companion you can build into either one without losing too much of what they started with. I mean ES12/Vivi8 looks really good on Wolj but you wouldn’t start to see the big benefits until lvl 16 and there’s nobody who sets up well for two-handing.
 

Humbaba

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DLC Class: Occultist.
DLC Companion: weirdass cultist of the cthullu things.
DLC Campaign: Pharasma is asking you to do something about the King in Yellow (Hastur).

You read it here first.

If the campaign is not a thinly veiled cautionary tale about the horrors of miscegenation, I ain't interested.
 

CodexTotalWar

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So I was originally pretty set on playing a Paladin for the 1st playthrough, but the more I read about how crazy epic this campaign is, I feel like a full caster might be the way to go instead? How much are spells used out of combat?

Now too worry about it from a power differential - more so thinking of this from a fun factor standpoint.
 

The_Mask

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Strap Yourselves In Codex Year of the Donut Steve gets a Kidney but I don't even get a tag. Pathfinder: Wrath I helped put crap in Monomyth
How much are spells used out of combat?
If you're asking if you can cast spells on the combat map like HoMM, or even stronger, like Disciples... no. Most spells are combat oriented. Not much has changed on that front from Kingmaker, where exploratory spells are very sparce. My knowledge is limited from companion only shenanigans, since I roll martial classes mostly, though.

Can any gentlemen that roll casters help here? :D
 

frajaq

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I still don't know what the fuck to play
Whenever in doubt, roll a monk. Almost every single stat gives you something, so... can you really go wrong?

I dunno man I want to fuck up these Demons back but not in fruity Lawful Good way

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The_Mask

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Strap Yourselves In Codex Year of the Donut Steve gets a Kidney but I don't even get a tag. Pathfinder: Wrath I helped put crap in Monomyth
Monks can also be lawful evil just fine. Irori helps lawful evil just fine too.

But if you insist on :disgust: wearing armour... then by all means... go ahead...
 

Desiderius

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I still don't know what the fuck to play
Whenever in doubt, roll a monk. Almost every single stat gives you something, so... can you really go wrong?

I dunno man I want to fuck up these Demons back but not in fruity Lawful Good way

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Fruity?

Sodomy is directly against the Natural Lawl and it’s you Ebil phaggots that are the ones buggering each other all the time.

Letting your values be transvalued is a choice, and a poor one.
 

Desiderius

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Urban Hunter (mounted) is the best I think although Forester does not mess around. Divine Hound also very solid.
 

LannTheStupid

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Pathfinder: Wrath
I will take a Kitsune (a bard or her special class) and go CN Trickster. However, if there is no reactivity from
Nenio
I will reroll and complain here profusely.
 

Humbaba

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Finna roll a NE Witch and go Swarm so I can eat all the companions I don't like. Also I wanna see whether or not the game actually let's you play as an absolute abomination without shoe horning you into an anti-hero role.
 

BarbequeMasta

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I will take a Kitsune (a bard or her special class) and go CN Trickster. However, if there is no reactivity from
Nenio
I will reroll and complain here profusely.
Tbh from what I saw from her (didnt touche the beta in the last 4ish months) Nenio not caring about you being a Kitsune is in character.
 

Thonius

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I don't think it shows on the mounts, at least in beta that fallen off the truck. I tried to use a cheat tool to get me some horse armor but either it's not implemented yet or they do not plan to implement it at all. I get it that you need to make like 10 variants for all the mounts but eh... made me sad.
 

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