Pathfinder Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous Beta Thread [GAME RELEASED, GO TO NEW THREAD]

[Lacrymas]

Why would you want it to be this way - genuine question - when your character's power grows the most going from lvl 1 to lvl 2?

Levels 1-2 are unenjoyable to play in D&D-based crpgs. Get up to 3 asap then slow down a bit is a curve that works well enough.

In RTwP maybe, but in TB it's pretty great. It's all about encounter design and using your very limited resources and abilities to the best result. There's also the fact there should be roleplaying in-between the fighting. I'm running a Dragon of Icespire Peak game right now and there's very little combat in the first quests.

 

[NJClaw]

Why would you want it to be this way - genuine question - when your character's power grows the most going from lvl 1 to lvl 2?

Levels 1-2 are unenjoyable to play in D&D-based crpgs. Get up to 3 asap then slow down a bit is a curve that works well enough.

KotC 2 proved that levels 1-2 can be fun:
- level 1 has to last EXACTLY 2 encounters;
- level 2 can last a bit more, but every encounter has to be practically impossible.

 

[Delterius]

- level 3 the computer pulls out a gun and forces you to type your social security number

 

[NJClaw]

- level 3 the computer pulls out a gun and forces you to type your social security number

Joke's on you, we don't have social security numbers in Italy.

 

[Delterius]

- level 3 the computer pulls out a gun and forces you to type your social security number

Joke's on you, we don't have social security numbers in Italy.

joke's on them, in italy the pizza mafia already stole all the numbers

 

[Lacrymas]

Can someone ...provide me with the KotC2 backer module? ;d

 

[InD_ImaginE]

Why would you want it to be this way - genuine question - when your character's power grows the most going from lvl 1 to lvl 2?

Levels 1-2 are unenjoyable to play in D&D-based crpgs. Get up to 3 asap then slow down a bit is a curve that works well enough.

In RTwP maybe, but in TB it's pretty great. It's all about encounter design and using your very limited resources and abilities to the best result. There's also the fact there should be roleplaying in-between the fighting. I'm running a Dragon of Icespire Peak game right now and there's very little combat in the first quests.

Leve 1 - 2 is basically everybody just use strike to attack in TB or RtwP. I can't even fathom that being "enjoyable". Heck Level 1 - 4 is pretty much that too, just the Cleric and Mage can use some buff or some shit.

 

[Infinitron]

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/owlcatgames/pathfinder-wrath-of-the-righteous/posts/2888900

The Winners

Greetings Pathfinders!

You never cease to amaze us. We have received many great creative pieces for the contest, and it was not an easy task to choose the winners. After some discussions within the team, we decided to award four prizes. Three of them will go to the incredible artists and one - to the author of a deep and touching story. All of them have different styles and visions. Here they are:

- Reagan Hawke (fan art - kitsune bard)

- Katherina Lavric (fan art - ratfolk ranger)

- Mort Foland (fan art diptych - kitsune swarm-that-walks)

- Sam Shults (an adventure fan-fiction, you can read it here)

We’ll send each of the winners an email with further details on how to get their prizes. Also, each winner will be able to choose a design of which one of the three races they want to be printed on their T-shirt.

Hurray to the winners!

Owlcats

 

[Lacrymas]

This thread starts to feel like furry bait.

 

[LannTheStupid]

Now I see your rat voter's desire. Well, may be in DLC?..

 

[santino27]

Thank god we dodged the rat furry bullet. Instead we get chad fox & bard from robin hood.

 

[ChildInTime]

Thank god we dodged the rat furry bullet. Instead we get chad fox & bard from robin hood.

 

[Desiderius]

The Faerun mod for Civ V has some very good FR maps, including Underdark.

 

[gurugeorge]

Why would you want it to be this way - genuine question - when your character's power grows the most going from lvl 1 to lvl 2?

Levels 1-2 are unenjoyable to play in D&D-based crpgs. Get up to 3 asap then slow down a bit is a curve that works well enough.

In RTwP maybe, but in TB it's pretty great. It's all about encounter design and using your very limited resources and abilities to the best result. There's also the fact there should be roleplaying in-between the fighting. I'm running a Dragon of Icespire Peak game right now and there's very little combat in the first quests.

Yeah I'd go with that. Basically I think these types of games get unwieldy with too many options past about lvl 15 (what happens then is variable, I think usually people just concentrate on the few things they know well that work). It's in the early levels where things are desperate and you need every Flare and Daze, every cantrip, where you have to be really specific and tactical (esp in turn-based) but you don't have too many options, where it's best.

People are always option, options, choices choices; but there can be such a thing as too many options and too many choices. When the options (and the possible interactions betwen those options) start multiplying, then it's another kind of un-fun. Having a smaler toolkit that you know really well can be more fun than having a vast toolkit that you only know a little bit about what things do and what the synergies are.

 

[LannTheStupid]

Having a smaler toolkit that you know really well can be more fun than having a vast toolkit that you only know a little bit about what things do and what the synergies are.

So you want the games to match your limited brain capacity instead of trying to develop your cognitive abilities to match the game.
Well, you and your intellectual peers are mainstream now. Rejoice.

 

[Lacrymas]

The problem is usually not the amount of options, it's that they either break the game due to power creep or most of them are useless and you end up using the same abilities because they work (PoE for example). D&D's issue is of the first kind, but that can easily be fixed by limiting the spell circles to 6 (maybe even 5) and staggering their progression.

 

[Yosharian]

The problem is usually not the amount of options, it's that they either break the game due to power creep or most of them are useless and you end up using the same abilities because they work (PoE for example). D&D's issue is of the first kind, but that can easily be fixed by limiting the spell circles to 6 (maybe even 5) and staggering their progression.

There's also nothing stopping them from simply not implementing spells like Forcecage or Simulacrum, and/or modifying the shittier spells to make them viable

The issue is whether they're brave enough to do that and also competent enough to balance the game, otherwise as you say a few spells end up king and none of the others are used

 

[Roguey]

In RTwP maybe, but in TB it's pretty great. It's all about encounter design and using your very limited resources and abilities to the best result. There's also the fact there should be roleplaying in-between the fighting. I'm running a Dragon of Icespire Peak game right now and there's very little combat in the first quests.

Being turn-based doesn't make it not a miss-fest where your fragile wizard can only cast 1-2 measly spells per adventuring day.

 

[gurugeorge]

Having a smaler toolkit that you know really well can be more fun than having a vast toolkit that you only know a little bit about what things do and what the synergies are.

So you want the games to match your limited brain capacity instead of trying to develop your cognitive abilities to match the game.
Well, you and your intellectual peers are mainstream now. Rejoice.

Some of us have got homes to go to. There are two curves, the curve of rising complexity, and the curve of rising and falling interest in a game. By the time one is getting to the end of a game, the immersion factor (in the setting, story, etc.) and the interest in learning new things that got one hooked initially, is starting to wear off. One could, in theory, take as much time to learn how level 7, 8 and 9 spells, etc. synergize, as one did when one was "in the saddle" from lvl 3/4 to level 15 with the interest in something new propelling one along - but who can be bothered with all that? Next!

Games are a pastime, not a second job.

 

[LannTheStupid]

And now s/he reveals their attention span of a guppy. Bingo.

 

[Desiderius]

And now s/he reveals their attention span of a guppy. Bingo.

Not necessarily. One's attention becomes stretched in more directions as one accretes more attachments.

 

[Lacrymas]

In RTwP maybe, but in TB it's pretty great. It's all about encounter design and using your very limited resources and abilities to the best result. There's also the fact there should be roleplaying in-between the fighting. I'm running a Dragon of Icespire Peak game right now and there's very little combat in the first quests.

Being turn-based doesn't make it not a miss-fest where your fragile wizard can only cast 1-2 measly spells per adventuring day.

5E fixes that "problem" by allowing cantrips to be used an unlimited times per day. As for being a miss-fest, I don't have a problem with that, never have unless it's something ridiculous like missing 5 times or more in a row.

 

[Yosharian]

Cantrips can actually be powerful with some classes

 

[Sarkile]

Yeah, Pathfinder also allows for unlimited casts of cantrips. The real method 5E fixed it, IMO, was making cantrips scale to your level so they always remain relevant.

 

[ArchAngel]

What do you guys have vs foxes: