Lol, the point is that you only get one Swift per round and he has awesome Domain abilities for those with Domain Zealot already. And yeah Mythic Perks and Quicken Rods are about the most scarce/powerful resources in the game. Thanks for making my point.
There's a guy asking Vek to implement this. I think you can splash Underground Chemist to unlock that ability or just retrain into that class:Shouldn't bombs treated as ranged weapons and proc sneak attacks? I feel that was the case in Kingmaker, yet in WotR I can't get it to work, and I didn't find any mod for this. My grenadier trickster build is ruined
Shouldn't bombs treated as ranged weapons and proc sneak attacks? I feel that was the case in Kingmaker, yet in WotR I can't get it to work, and I didn't find any mod for this. My grenadier trickster build is ruined
There's a guy asking Vek to implement this. I think you can splash Underground Chemist to unlock that ability or just retrain into that class:Shouldn't bombs treated as ranged weapons and proc sneak attacks? I feel that was the case in Kingmaker, yet in WotR I can't get it to work, and I didn't find any mod for this. My grenadier trickster build is ruined
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I haven't tested it yet (Brew Potions with no spellcasting looks kind of strange) but my assumption is that it uses found/purchased Bombs instead of it's own. Maybe try it out and let us know. Would be interesting to make UC4/Grenadier as a melee character with the Precise Breath from Grenadier since Chemist gives you Finesse/DEX-to-damage/Debilitating and Grenadier Martial Prof and Mutagens. Wonder if Breath would trigger Sneaks (doubt it).
If you need more then one swift action spent on healing per combat you fucked up in making your character/party. In DLC3 at high levels (15+) where every mob has 500+ life and most have Mythic abilities I get to cast one swift healing spell every 3rd or 4th battle. And DLC3 does not even have Quicken Rods while base campaign is full of them.
It's apparently a rules fix. Splash weapons cannot deal precision damage, at all. But you can still go for x4 crits if you really want to.Shouldn't bombs treated as ranged weapons and proc sneak attacks? I feel that was the case in Kingmaker, yet in WotR I can't get it to work, and I didn't find any mod for this. My grenadier trickster build is ruined
There's a guy asking Vek to implement this. I think you can splash Underground Chemist to unlock that ability or just retrain into that class:Shouldn't bombs treated as ranged weapons and proc sneak attacks? I feel that was the case in Kingmaker, yet in WotR I can't get it to work, and I didn't find any mod for this. My grenadier trickster build is ruined
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I haven't tested it yet (Brew Potions with no spellcasting looks kind of strange) but my assumption is that it uses found/purchased Bombs instead of it's own. Maybe try it out and let us know. Would be interesting to make UC4/Grenadier as a melee character with the Precise Breath from Grenadier since Chemist gives you Finesse/DEX-to-damage/Debilitating and Grenadier Martial Prof and Mutagens. Wonder if Breath would trigger Sneaks (doubt it).
I don't think wasting entire 4 levels, from casting class no less, is worth it.
Overall, I'm very disappointed by grenadier as a class, I think I saw someone on Codex hype various bomb types up, but none of them seem particualrly impactful, compared to, let's say, Wizard spells of adequate level. It feels like I'm gimping myself playing it.
Been having some second thoughts about going Grenadier myself. Been reading that bombs do not scale all that well. Means I have to rethink my planned Swarm playthrough. Having 6 bomb spammers in the end game sounds fun but maybe Vivisectionist is the way to go after all.
It's apparently a rules fix. Splash weapons cannot deal precision damage, at all. But you can still go for x4 crits if you really want to.Shouldn't bombs treated as ranged weapons and proc sneak attacks? I feel that was the case in Kingmaker, yet in WotR I can't get it to work, and I didn't find any mod for this. My grenadier trickster build is ruined
What's wrong with neoseeker builds? I never used them mind you, but the guide was the best place to look up info on the various mythics during early launch, and possibly still is. Also a decent way to quickly check with archetypes are worth a damn.
For one, they are severely outdated due to mechanics changes in patches. E.g., you don't want to be a Sorcerer Lich anymore. Spontaneous casters don't get spells beyond their character level progression even with the spellbook merge. So Sorc 10/Lich 3 is casting 5th level spells, while Wizard 10/Lich 3 is casting 8th.
Ehh, it's still fine to play. It solves all of your spells known per level issues, still bumps your caster level massively, still gives you the lich spells, and it's not like wizards are tripping over powerful scrolls to scribe at high spell levels when they are boosted that high. Merged spellbooks is 100% overpowered no matter how you do it.
It's overrated among Alchemists (unless you're doing something unique like melee with Directed Blast) since all the shiny abilities you get (other than maybe Staggering Blast) don't really come into play that much, but Alch Bombs do decent damage while getting reasonably high DCs (if you target weak Saves and use Cognatogen) and bypassing Spell Resistance/targeting Touch AC. The main benefit of the class (whether Vivi or Grenadier or the others) is the unique ability to Infuse Personal spells, but there isn't the item support in Wrath that there is in P:K because there's no companion Alch. The impact of Bombs is the quantity, the Touch AC attack, and SR bypass, and how good damage + debuff effects (like Sirocco) are. If you aren't taking advantage of all that you're more gimping yourself by how you're playing it than the class gimping you.There's a guy asking Vek to implement this. I think you can splash Underground Chemist to unlock that ability or just retrain into that class:Shouldn't bombs treated as ranged weapons and proc sneak attacks? I feel that was the case in Kingmaker, yet in WotR I can't get it to work, and I didn't find any mod for this. My grenadier trickster build is ruined
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I haven't tested it yet (Brew Potions with no spellcasting looks kind of strange) but my assumption is that it uses found/purchased Bombs instead of it's own. Maybe try it out and let us know. Would be interesting to make UC4/Grenadier as a melee character with the Precise Breath from Grenadier since Chemist gives you Finesse/DEX-to-damage/Debilitating and Grenadier Martial Prof and Mutagens. Wonder if Breath would trigger Sneaks (doubt it).
I don't think wasting entire 4 levels, from casting class no less, is worth it.
Overall, I'm very disappointed by grenadier as a class, I think I saw someone on Codex hype various bomb types up, but none of them seem particualrly impactful, compared to, let's say, Wizard spells of adequate level. It feels like I'm gimping myself playing it.
Technically, there are many guides on Neoseeker written by different people so quality varies wildly. Some of them are good, especially those that mostly use the raw info datamined from the game itself (items, mythic path abilities), some are decent but outdated and some are their own special category, like in Ineffect's build guides that most likely cause more harm than good to any person who would try to use it. Damn, I am pretty sure that Ineffect himself never tried to play half of them.
Just confirmed that Underground Chemist only uses found/purchased Bombs. On the other hand they do apply Rogue abilities like Debilitating and Crippling from range and vs Touch AC (with full Sneaks). You don't have access to any of the Bomb Feats though. And no Precise Bombs (though Splash damage is negligible and doesn't apply Sneaks - good way to trigger Instill Vigor Mythic Bonus tho). UC has a specific ability that turns this on, so you could argue that it's not inherent.It's apparently a rules fix. Splash weapons cannot deal precision damage, at all. But you can still go for x4 crits if you really want to.Shouldn't bombs treated as ranged weapons and proc sneak attacks? I feel that was the case in Kingmaker, yet in WotR I can't get it to work, and I didn't find any mod for this. My grenadier trickster build is ruined
Yet alchemists' flasks can, with Undeground Chemist, and they're splash weapons too aren't they?
Yeah and they have a special ability for it. The problem would be that the game isn't coded to make that work with alchemist bombs because underground chemist himself doesn't have them.It's apparently a rules fix. Splash weapons cannot deal precision damage, at all. But you can still go for x4 crits if you really want to.Shouldn't bombs treated as ranged weapons and proc sneak attacks? I feel that was the case in Kingmaker, yet in WotR I can't get it to work, and I didn't find any mod for this. My grenadier trickster build is ruined
Yet alchemists' flasks can, with Undeground Chemist, and they're splash weapons too aren't they?
That kills my 2 man run of DLC3 with Lich Sorcerer as main character.
Why would you do this to poor Camellia? She's so good as a Spirit Hunter! She's the cleric Sosiel wishes he could be.
I'm playing a Stigmatized Witch/Lich now and I definitely had access to spell slots to cast higher level Lich spells than my class levels would normally allow. I wasn't keeping careful track but I think I'm 16 or 17 now and have 9th level Lich spells and slots to cast them. I don't have any Witch spells learned but it's not like I'm using them much at this point anyway.
No, it is not how it works. Sorc 10/Lich 3 can cast lvl 6, and Sorc 10/Lich 4 - level 7 spells, but he'll only have a Lich spells (or Metamagic) available for his highest spell levels until his class progression catches up so he could learn spells from the standard spellbook of his class.
