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[Yosharian]

Haplo you seen this? https://www.reddit.com/r/Pathfinder.../80_damage_merged_domain_buff_judge_religion/

 

[Haplo]

Haplo you seen this? https://www.reddit.com/r/Pathfinder.../80_damage_merged_domain_buff_judge_religion/

Yes, I have

Gozenka on Discord was already advertising Destruction Domain with the DLC3 ring a while ago when I was planning my Mobility Trickster.
Briefly considered switching Sword Saint to Sanctified Slayer. But finally decided against it.

Here BigArdGaming has added War Domain on top. Which is maybe not that great as another Swift Action activation. I'd maybe rather take Trickster double Good (or Madness) for +20 Attack.
Still, that's a lot of fixed, multiply-eble damage bonuses.

Been playing a bit with Destruction, but not on Trickster and without the ring (so much less effective... and not level 20 power either).
Maybe I'll take it on the Sanctified Slayer Aeon. I mean, +16 damage is not shabby either - or+24 with the ring (and +8 for everyone, including the mount... and enemies). Though not sure yet, in practice those Destruction rounds were running out quickly.

 

[Yosharian]

Ok I figured out the problem. It seems to be related to using the vanilla respec function in the same game session as the respec mod. I relaunched the game and loaded a save and it worked fine.

 

[Yosharian]

Haplo you seen this? https://www.reddit.com/r/Pathfinder.../80_damage_merged_domain_buff_judge_religion/

Yes, I have

Gozenka on Discord was already advertising Destruction Domain with the DLC3 ring a while ago when I was planning my Mobility Trickster.
Briefly considered switching Sword Saint to Sanctified Slayer. But finally decided against it.

Here BigArdGaming has added War Domain on top. Which is maybe not that great as another Swift Action activation. I'd maybe rather take Trickster double Good (or Madness) for +20 Attack.
Still, that's a lot of fixed, multiply-eble damage bonuses.

Been playing a bit with Destruction, but not on Trickster and without the ring (so much less effective... and not level 20 power either).
Maybe I'll take it on the Sanctified Slayer Aeon. I mean, +16 damage is not shabby either - or+24 with the ring (and +8 for everyone, including the mount... and enemies). Though not sure yet, in practice those Destruction rounds were running out quickly.

Yeah I agree, the amount of rounds you get is a major problem. Cute for boss fights, but meh the rest of the time.

Side note I am seeing some reports of bugs with the double morale ring, apparently it doesn't double stuff like Azata ability score boosts correctly?

 

[Desiderius]

Lol, finally catching up to what I was doing on Harrim, and you guys were all saying I was nuts. The autoconfirm is as valuable as the damage if you can combine it with wide crit ranges and advantage.

War Domain already gives a Feat, then you can work in the damage ability one on something like Huntmaster Lann that doesn’t necessarily have a good Swift already.

 

[Haplo]

Lol, finally catching up to what I was doing on Harrim, and you guys were all saying I was nuts. The autoconfirm is as valuable as the damage if you can combine it with wide crit ranges and advantage.

War Domain already gives a Feat, then you can work in the damage ability one on something like Huntmaster Lann that doesn’t necessarily have a good Swift already.

The autoconfirm is a bit easier here if you have a Paladin due to Bless weapon. Late game, there's also a banner with same property, so a bit whatever. Would be more attractive for an evil party I guess.
But yeah, the bonus damage is nice (but short).

 

[Desiderius]

Maybe the Ring makes it relevant but it was already good. Bless Weapon eats Paladin slots that I want for Veils, Divine Favor, etc... The Banner is ridiculously expensive and takes a slot I don't want to give up IIRC.

Depending how you're beating Unfair damage doubling the downside (autoconfirm for bad guys) can be a problem too.

 

[Desiderius]

Only way I can get Respec Mod to work is CTRL-F10 in game then click the -1 level button until it grays out then click free respec.

 

[Lambach]

This talk makes me really want to play a Trickster.

11-20 Crit range + Law Domain on Sosiel to make sure I roll 11 on every attack. That's potentially 8 or maybe even more guaranteed hits per round during late game, even if I don't confirm any Crits.

I may just be able to actually beat the game on Unfair that way.

 

[Yosharian]

The other paths seem to have a much better story though. I dunno if I could ever play through the whole game with a meme path

 

[Lambach]

The other paths seem to have a much better story though. I dunno if I could ever play through the whole game with a meme path

Trickster is the only Core path I haven't played yet. But I do feel more than a little burnt out, so I don't really feel like starting another playthrough right now.

Speaking of which, the fact that Devil isn't a Core path and is p. much just an afterthought is a fucking crime.

 

[ga♥]

Trickster has the least content of any base path I think, surely felt like it.

 

[ga♥]

And it is not about Aivu herself, she is, first and foremost, extra move action for strongest unit in the field - MC.

You mean move action as mounted? Well depends, my MC was ranged and an arcane caster, so not that useful

It's very useful there since the Mount can get you into range for Full Ranged Attax or Full Casting (for spontaneous meta) or just into better position while protecting you from most attax.

Useful but not useful enough to make it work at MR3 for most cases, unless of course you play on normal, then everything is ok and has a reason to be.

 

[Desiderius]

This talk makes me really want to play a Trickster.

11-20 Crit range + Law Domain on Sosiel to make sure I roll 11 on every attack. That's potentially 8 or maybe even more guaranteed hits per round during late game, even if I don't confirm any Crits.

I may just be able to actually beat the game on Unfair that way.

Reg gets Law Domain. Sosiel already has Luck Domain.

 

[Haplo]

This talk makes me really want to play a Trickster.

11-20 Crit range + Law Domain on Sosiel to make sure I roll 11 on every attack. That's potentially 8 or maybe even more guaranteed hits per round during late game, even if I don't confirm any Crits.

I may just be able to actually beat the game on Unfair that way.

Yeah, its tempting.
Though... if you don't confirm any crits, how are you landing these hits in the first place (unless you mean crits not confirmed due to Fortification?).

But you know, when we're talking late game Trickster, there's also Trick Fate beyond the corner...
Or outright Persuasion 3 Trick.

 

[Desiderius]

And it is not about Aivu herself, she is, first and foremost, extra move action for strongest unit in the field - MC.

You mean move action as mounted? Well depends, my MC was ranged and an arcane caster, so not that useful

It's very useful there since the Mount can get you into range for Full Ranged Attax or Full Casting (for spontaneous meta) or just into better position while protecting you from most attax.

Useful but not useful enough to make it work at MR3 for most cases, unless of course you play on normal, then everything is ok and has a reason to be.

Normal?




You're not getting attacked much in either case but obviously Aivu's 45 base AC is going to be better than what the typical ranged/caster would have. Then as she grows she can mix it up more in melee mounted or unmounted depending on what's needed for each fight.

I've just started using Mounted (w/Bismuth) on my Slayer Aeon MC since it's harder to get full attacks in TTT, and putting Drovier Lann on his Smilo is probably still not great since Smilo has Pounce (and Lann wants to cast). With random Maraliths gating in things are getting dicier for unmounted characters tho.

 

[Lambach]

Trickster has the least content of any base path I think, surely felt like it.

Well it's not like there are massive differences, beyond mechanics, between different Mythic paths. At least 80% of the game, if not much more, is the same regardless of what you go with.

I already went through every other Core path, might as well wrap it up with Trickster just to abuse the shit out of those Crits, since I already got to see almost everything the game has to offer content-wise anyway.

But just to point out, if there's some massive modding autismo out there that pulls off a miracle and does a decent job of modding Devil in as a Core path, I would honestly be willing to pay good money for that.

 

[ga♥]

And it is not about Aivu herself, she is, first and foremost, extra move action for strongest unit in the field - MC.

You mean move action as mounted? Well depends, my MC was ranged and an arcane caster, so not that useful

It's very useful there since the Mount can get you into range for Full Ranged Attax or Full Casting (for spontaneous meta) or just into better position while protecting you from most attax.

Useful but not useful enough to make it work at MR3 for most cases, unless of course you play on normal, then everything is ok and has a reason to be.

Normal?

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That's hard. On turn based. So yes, it's normal. You can enjoy whatever difficulty you want btw, I don't care, just don't pretend everything that works for you on easy, and 20 mods installed, should work for anyone else, or they are doing something wrong.

Which has been your shtick for years, like when you argued that TRISTIAN with a GLAIVE is actually super optimal! Together with screenshots of Tristian critting as a proof.

Also I don't see Aivu and you are doing Ivory sanctum here, so I assume MR4.

 

[Lambach]

Though... if you don't confirm any crits, how are you landing these hits in the first place (unless you mean crits not confirmed due to Fortification?).

No, I mean rolling within Crit range is a guaranteed hit, as far as I know (assuming no Concealment or such).

If you roll 16 and your Crit range is 15-20, that means you're guaranteed a hit, even if the target's AC is more than 30 points higher than your attack roll result. To actually confirm a Crit, you roll another, separate regular attack and you have to beat the AC with it to get the extra damage and other Crit benefits, but you still get a guaranteed regular hit even if the second roll fails.

 

[ga♥]

Trickster has the least content of any base path I think, surely felt like it.

Well it's not like there are massive differences, beyond mechanics, between different Mythic paths. At least 80% of the game, if not much more, is the same regardless of what you go with.

I already went through every other Core path, might as well wrap it up with Trickster just to abuse the shit out of those Crits, since I already got to see almost everything the game has to offer content-wise anyway.

But just to point out, if there's some massive modding autismo out there that pulls off a miracle and does a decent job of modding Devil in as a Core path, I would honestly be willing to pay good money for that.

Well, the biggest reason to replay the game for me is to see paths exclusive content.... if the game was completely the same, I don't think I would still play it, but to each his own.

 

[Yosharian]

Daidre was it you that said Spawn Slayer doesn't work properly?

 

[Yosharian]

No, I mean rolling within Crit range is a guaranteed hit, as far as I know (assuming no Concealment or such).

Wat

 

[Desiderius]

That's hard. On turn based. So yes, it's normal. You can enjoy whatever difficulty you want btw, I don't care, just don't pretend everything that works for you on easy, and 20 mods installed, should work for anyone else, or they are doing something wrong.
Also I don't see Aivu and you are doing Ivory sanctum here, so I assume MR4.

Yes, of course it's MR4. It's my current playthrough. You want me to load up my Azata save on RTwP at MR3 for you again? I already did and demonstrated 45 AC (with no items/buffs).

Why are you so determined to make excuses for sucking instead of just doing the bare minimum to stop?

 

[Lambach]

Wat

Is that not how it works? I could swear that I landed hits despite rolling below enemy AC as long as I rolled within the weapon's Crit range.

 

[FreeKaner]

So dies the Ancient Sarkorian Ghost, didn't get his horrible pit off against a Phantasmal Killer with 32 DC at level 10.

Shouldn't undead be immune...

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