Pathfinder Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous - Game of the Year Edition

[Yosharian]

Now I just need to figure out how to tag something nasty onto these attacks to make them actually hurt...

Mythic Charge is generally easiest accessible and available soonest large damage bonus.

Yeah I'm not building around charge.

 

[Grunker]

Not only was Blackwater not very challenging

There are harder things, but I did it fairly late in Act3 and I thought it was in the top third in terms of difficulty.

 

[Grunker]

Huh seems like they changed the way the Demon Lord bonuses work, you no longer get a +5 Mythic bonus to the ability score when you enable an aspect...

Try saving/loading. All my aspect bonuses are online, but whenever I gain a new one I have to enable it and then save/load.

Some tweaking I think this is a better build:

Motherless Tiefling race (+1 bite)
Close to the Abyss mythic ability (+1 gore)
Mutation Warrior 9: Feral Mutagen (+1 bite), Weapon Training for two weapon types (Natural + any weapon), Feral Wings
Sohei 1: (+1 attack from Flurry)
Stigmatized Witch 1: Iceplant hex & Lizard familiar (+5 AC with ring), Wolf-Scarred Face (+3 bites)
Bloodrager 1: Serpentine bloodline (+1 bite)
Crossblooded 1: Serpentine bloodline (+1 bite), Draconic bloodline (access to DD)
Dragon Disciple 2: Dragon bite (+1 bite), +2 STR, +1 AC
Instinctual Warrior 4: WIS-to-AC, Uncanny Dodge (I wonder if Demonic Rage turns on both rages?), Animal Fury rage power (+1 bite)
Demonslayer 1: FE - Evil Outsiders
TWF Daggers: 4 attacks (BAB 16) + 5 offhand attacks (Hasty Eradicator)
Haste (+1 attack)
Extra Rage Power: Lesser Fiend Totem (+1 gore)

Total: 22 attacks per round

Now I just need to figure out how to tag something nasty onto these attacks to make them actually hurt...

Remember the gore helm, and remember you can get +1 bite from Beast's Gift as well if you have a witch in the party.

 

[Yosharian]

Huh seems like they changed the way the Demon Lord bonuses work, you no longer get a +5 Mythic bonus to the ability score when you enable an aspect...

Try saving/loading. All my aspect bonuses are online, but whenever I gain a new one I have to enable it and then save/load.

Some tweaking I think this is a better build:

Motherless Tiefling race (+1 bite)
Close to the Abyss mythic ability (+1 gore)
Mutation Warrior 9: Feral Mutagen (+1 bite), Weapon Training for two weapon types (Natural + any weapon), Feral Wings
Sohei 1: (+1 attack from Flurry)
Stigmatized Witch 1: Iceplant hex & Lizard familiar (+5 AC with ring), Wolf-Scarred Face (+3 bites)
Bloodrager 1: Serpentine bloodline (+1 bite)
Crossblooded 1: Serpentine bloodline (+1 bite), Draconic bloodline (access to DD)
Dragon Disciple 2: Dragon bite (+1 bite), +2 STR, +1 AC
Instinctual Warrior 4: WIS-to-AC, Uncanny Dodge (I wonder if Demonic Rage turns on both rages?), Animal Fury rage power (+1 bite)
Demonslayer 1: FE - Evil Outsiders
TWF Daggers: 4 attacks (BAB 16) + 5 offhand attacks (Hasty Eradicator)
Haste (+1 attack)
Extra Rage Power: Lesser Fiend Totem (+1 gore)

Total: 22 attacks per round

Now I just need to figure out how to tag something nasty onto these attacks to make them actually hurt...

Remember the gore helm, and remember you can get +1 bite from Beast's Gift as well if you have a witch in the party.

Yes but do you get a MYTHIC +5 bonus in addition to the ASPECT bonus?

E.g. Vavakia gives +6 and +5

 

[Yosharian]

Incubus works on natural attacks... didn't expect that

 

[Haplo]

Greater Kalavakus Marauder has 59 AC, that's really not that high and flat-footed it's 43, my dudes are hitting that on a 2 or better. Granted I am level 14 but even at level 9 I was destroying Blightmaw with exactly the same tactic. I don't see the issue.

Well, I'll push on and see what happens deeper in.

Before the DLC3 you could only be lvl13 at Blackwater, and only if you did it last, exept the Ivory Sanctum.
Most people did it at 11/12 because they had no idea and 2 levels is a yuuuuge difference (and also it was nerfed compared to release).
(Also now there's the DLC1/DLC3 items).

I've now only started playing DLC3 for the first time (in Act IV).
And on 2 last characters I've only went to Blackwater after level 14.
Why make it more difficult then necessary?

Finish most of the Act content, Ivory Sanctum and only then go to Blackwater...

What are you trying to say here, he was wondering why people complained about Blackwater difficulty, what's "fake news" in what I said?

That you could only be level 13 in Blackwater.

 

[ga♥]

Greater Kalavakus Marauder has 59 AC, that's really not that high and flat-footed it's 43, my dudes are hitting that on a 2 or better. Granted I am level 14 but even at level 9 I was destroying Blightmaw with exactly the same tactic. I don't see the issue.

Well, I'll push on and see what happens deeper in.

Before the DLC3 you could only be lvl13 at Blackwater, and only if you did it last, exept the Ivory Sanctum.
Most people did it at 11/12 because they had no idea and 2 levels is a yuuuuge difference (and also it was nerfed compared to release).
(Also now there's the DLC1/DLC3 items).

I've now only started playing DLC3 for the first time (in Act IV).
And on 2 last characters I've only went to Blackwater after level 14.
Why make it more difficult then necessary?

Finish most of the Act content, Ivory Sanctum and only then go to Blackwater...

What are you trying to say here, he was wondering why people complained about Blackwater difficulty, what's "fake news" in what I said?

That you could only be level 13 in Blackwater.

It's true, you can only be 13 if you don't do Ivory sanctum

Before the DLC3 you could only be lvl13 at Blackwater, and only if you did it last, exept the Ivory Sanctum.

 

[Yosharian]

WOAH WOAH

The Demon Lord Aspects are now ALL PASSIVE

When the fuck was this changed? This is huge for endgame

 

[Grunker]

Huh seems like they changed the way the Demon Lord bonuses work, you no longer get a +5 Mythic bonus to the ability score when you enable an aspect...

Try saving/loading. All my aspect bonuses are online, but whenever I gain a new one I have to enable it and then save/load.

Some tweaking I think this is a better build:

Motherless Tiefling race (+1 bite)
Close to the Abyss mythic ability (+1 gore)
Mutation Warrior 9: Feral Mutagen (+1 bite), Weapon Training for two weapon types (Natural + any weapon), Feral Wings
Sohei 1: (+1 attack from Flurry)
Stigmatized Witch 1: Iceplant hex & Lizard familiar (+5 AC with ring), Wolf-Scarred Face (+3 bites)
Bloodrager 1: Serpentine bloodline (+1 bite)
Crossblooded 1: Serpentine bloodline (+1 bite), Draconic bloodline (access to DD)
Dragon Disciple 2: Dragon bite (+1 bite), +2 STR, +1 AC
Instinctual Warrior 4: WIS-to-AC, Uncanny Dodge (I wonder if Demonic Rage turns on both rages?), Animal Fury rage power (+1 bite)
Demonslayer 1: FE - Evil Outsiders
TWF Daggers: 4 attacks (BAB 16) + 5 offhand attacks (Hasty Eradicator)
Haste (+1 attack)
Extra Rage Power: Lesser Fiend Totem (+1 gore)

Total: 22 attacks per round

Now I just need to figure out how to tag something nasty onto these attacks to make them actually hurt...

Remember the gore helm, and remember you can get +1 bite from Beast's Gift as well if you have a witch in the party.

Yes but do you get a MYTHIC +5 bonus in addition to the ASPECT bonus?

E.g. Vavakia gives +6 and +5

I just misunderstood you.

Your build looks cool. I'd definetely use weapons if I restarted. But the build is so much fun, and I like your spin on it. I would consider stuff like Lesser Fiend Totem even if it is somewhat underpowered, because seeing all those attacks go off is just fun (one of the reasons I regret doing claws over weapons).

Also, as Blood Rager, activating Demonic Rage automatically activates Bloodrage. I assume it would be the same for all rages?

EDIT: lol, I missed you already did Lesser Fiend. Nevermind.

 

[Cyberarmy]

It was quite hard to deal with regeneration when most of the things that were supposed to deal with it didn't work

There were 2 reliable sources of lightning in that dungeon and they are mostly near entrance.

 

[Yosharian]

Seems like Wolf-Scarred Curse isn't working at all. Can't get the bites to go off. Either that, or they fixed it so that you only get one of them. Meh.

 

[Yosharian]

It was quite hard to deal with regeneration when most of the things that were supposed to deal with it didn't work

There were 2 reliable sources of lightning in that dungeon and they are mostly near entrance.

Coup De Grace is also an option on lower difficulties

 

[Yosharian]

Motherless Tiefling race (+1 bite)
Close to the Abyss mythic ability (+1 gore)
Mutation Warrior 9: Feral Mutagen (+1 bite), Weapon Training for two weapon types (Natural + any weapon), Feral Wings
Sohei 1: (+1 attack from Flurry)
Stigmatized Witch 1: Iceplant hex & Lizard familiar (+5 AC with ring), Wolf-Scarred Face (+3 bites)
Bloodrager 1: Serpentine bloodline (+1 bite)
Crossblooded 1: Serpentine bloodline (+1 bite), Draconic bloodline (access to DD)
Dragon Disciple 2: Dragon bite (+1 bite), +2 STR, +1 AC
Instinctual Warrior 4: WIS-to-AC, Uncanny Dodge (I wonder if Demonic Rage turns on both rages?), Animal Fury rage power (+1 bite)
Demonslayer 1: FE - Evil Outsiders
TWF Daggers: 4 attacks (BAB 16) + 5 offhand attacks (Hasty Eradicator)
Haste (+1 attack)
Extra Rage Power: Lesser Fiend Totem (+1 gore)

Total: 22 attacks per round

Sooo some conclusions from initial testing:

1. MW 9 is not worth it. You don't get to benefit from Flurry twice. MW 7 might be viable...
2. Sohei 1 + MW 5 is solid BUT I don't know if its worth it for 6 levels. There's probably something better.
3. Wolf-Scarred Curse only gives one attack now I guess, I dunno if Stig Witch is worth it anymore.
4. Bloodrager & Instinctual Warrior doesn't stack rage bonuses during Demonic Rage so getting both feels kinda meh. Solution is probably to ditch IW and forget trying to tank altogether.

Everything else seems to work.

 

[Grunker]

Seems like Wolf-Scarred Curse isn't working at all. Can't get the bites to go off. Either that, or they fixed it so that you only get one of them. Meh.

It works fine for me? But I did wonder why you wrote "3 bites" - it's only 1?

EDIT: Was wolf-scarred bugged before?

 

[Yosharian]

Seems like Wolf-Scarred Curse isn't working at all. Can't get the bites to go off. Either that, or they fixed it so that you only get one of them. Meh.

It works fine for me? But I did wonder why you wrote "3 bites" - it's only 1?

EDIT: Was wolf-scarred bugged before?

Yeah you used to get 3 bites because when it upgraded the old one wasn't removed

But even so I don't see any 2D6 bite in the list so I dunno

 

[Yosharian]

Spoiler

...wat

 

[Haplo]

Spoiler

...wat

Cruel Fate dagger could be nice with so many attacks, some of which are Piercing I presume.
Save or become vulnerable to Piercing...

...maybe coupled with Holemaker shield?
And Bracers of Breaching.

Individual odds maybe not very good, but when you stack them...

 

[Yosharian]

Holemaker is much more interesting than anything else, but still, it's not exactly insane damage is it. And I just don't see how this guy is staying alive in melee unless he's mounted.

 

[Grunker]

right around launch

Playing Owlcat games at launch and complaining about bugs is like parking your ferrari in the hood and complaining that it gets stolen

 

[Grunker]

Holemaker is much more interesting than anything else, but still, it's not exactly insane damage is it. And I just don't see how this guy is staying alive in melee unless he's mounted.

In my experience Reach and Last Stand is enough. It's not like mounts add that much survivability anyway.

 

[Cyberarmy]

right around launch

Playing Owlcat games at launch and complaining about bugs is like parking your ferrari in the hood and complaining that it gets stolen

I completed that place at release week as an Azata, with a heavy melee party, without much problems. Only last boss bugged 2 times but other than that I killed everything smoothly.
Game had a much better release than Kingmaker's, though that's not really an achievement.

 

[Grunker]

Seems like Wolf-Scarred Curse isn't working at all. Can't get the bites to go off. Either that, or they fixed it so that you only get one of them. Meh.

It works fine for me? But I did wonder why you wrote "3 bites" - it's only 1?

EDIT: Was wolf-scarred bugged before?

But even so I don't see any 2D6 bite in the list so I dunno

Which list? In my experience the only way to see which naturals work is doing an actual in practice attack. The character sheet doesn't show crap.

 

[Grunker]

right around launch

Playing Owlcat games at launch and complaining about bugs is like parking your ferrari in the hood and complaining that it gets stolen

I completed that place at release week as an Azata, with a heavy melee party, without much problems. Only last boss bugged 2 times but other than that I killed everything smoothly.
Game had a much better release than Kingmaker's, though that's not really an achievement.

I played Kingmaker after 6 months and then again after a year, and the 1 year after release of Kingmaker was significantly less buggy than my current playthrough of Wrath. So many things are just simply not working with my builds (or work differently than they should). I constantly have issues like my Sohei losing and gaining attacks.

 

[Haplo]

Holemaker is much more interesting than anything else, but still, it's not exactly insane damage is it.

+50% damage not good enough for you?

Of course need to trigger it first... but 3 chances to trigger are better then 1.

 

[Haplo]

Holemaker is much more interesting than anything else, but still, it's not exactly insane damage is it. And I just don't see how this guy is staying alive in melee unless he's mounted.

In my experience Reach and Last Stand is enough. It's not like mounts add that much survivability anyway.

You seem to have no idea...