Pathfinder Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous - Game of the Year Edition

[Average Manatee]

Beamdog ruined IWD with the EE because it added time stop and all the shit.

You don't get time stop until passing the point of no return in the expansion that leads you fighting the final boss. It's basically irrelevant as far as balance goes unless you pick a sorcerer in which case you inflicted your own balance problems upon yourself.

In any case WotR has no balance as it is and the only difference between builds is whether they break the game by the start of chapter 2, 3, or halfway through chapter 3.

 

[ga♥]

You don't get time stop until passing the point of no return in the expansion that leads you fighting the final boss. It's basically irrelevant as far as balance goes unless you pick a sorcerer in which case you inflicted your own balance problems upon yourself.

What about contingencies, thief traps and all the other BG2 spells?
Just the fact that it makes the fight vs Icasaracht so easy should be a crime.
Again to the "just don't use it bro" argument , "just lower the difficulty" then.

 

[The_Mask]

Serious question time: has anyone received their WOTR physical rewards? I haven't received mine, and I'm seriously thinking they're at the bottom of the sea, but I just want to make sure by asking here.

 

[Average Manatee]

What about contingencies, thief traps and all the other BG2 spells?
Just the fact that it makes the fight vs Icasaracht so easy should be a crime.
Again to the "just don't use it bro" argument , "just lower the difficulty" then.

You can actually just not use it.

I've finished IWD with a 6 fighter party on insane. It's pretty easy already.

 

[mediocrepoet]

Serious question time: has anyone received their WOTR physical rewards? I haven't received mine, and I'm seriously thinking they're at the bottom of the sea, but I just want to make sure by asking here.

Yes I got mine, but they had announcements after about other issues. Try contacting their customer service email.

 

[ga♥]

What about contingencies, thief traps and all the other BG2 spells?
Just the fact that it makes the fight vs Icasaracht so easy should be a crime.
Again to the "just don't use it bro" argument , "just lower the difficulty" then.

You can actually just not use it.

I've finished IWD with a 6 fighter party on insane. It's pretty easy already.

Insane is even worse because of the 2 times the XP so you end up with BG2 spells and no enemies counter much faster, just let us have a challenge in the game without ruining the fun and if you find it too hard lower the difficulty.

If you really need additional OP content, use mods.

 

[mediocrepoet]

What about contingencies, thief traps and all the other BG2 spells?
Just the fact that it makes the fight vs Icasaracht so easy should be a crime.
Again to the "just don't use it bro" argument , "just lower the difficulty" then.

You can actually just not use it.

I've finished IWD with a 6 fighter party on insane. It's pretty easy already.

But that's just don't use it, bro! Like even with all the different classes, feats, and combinations available, he can't not use the ones he thinks are most OP. I think it's a symptom of testosterone deficiency.

 

[Yosharian]

My physical reward was the pain and suffering I experienced going through that abomination of a Crusade minigame

 

[ga♥]

What about contingencies, thief traps and all the other BG2 spells?
Just the fact that it makes the fight vs Icasaracht so easy should be a crime.
Again to the "just don't use it bro" argument , "just lower the difficulty" then.

You can actually just not use it.

I've finished IWD with a 6 fighter party on insane. It's pretty easy already.

But that's just don't use it, bro! Like even with all the different classes, feats, and combinations available, he can't not use the ones he thinks are most OP. I think it's a symptom of testosterone deficiency.

Asking players to gimp themselves intentionally, knowing there are better options, is the same as having a challenge trying to use all the tools the game gives you.
Disgusting retardos like you is why we have baldur's gate 3, go play larian games and be happy of those.

 

[Zboj Lamignat]

What about contingencies, thief traps and all the other BG2 spells?
Just the fact that it makes the fight vs Icasaracht so easy should be a crime.
Again to the "just don't use it bro" argument , "just lower the difficulty" then.

You can actually just not use it.

I've finished IWD with a 6 fighter party on insane. It's pretty easy already.

Insane is even worse because of the 2 times the XP so you end up with BG2 spells and no enemies counter much faster, just let us have a challenge in the game without ruining the fun and if you find it too hard lower the difficulty.

Which is exactly something that EE allows you to avoid, making it harder than vanilla if you wish, but, of course, you can just not use it

It also has other ways of making game harder than vanilla, like playing with all the severely underpowered classes/kits and what not.

 

[ga♥]

Imagine if in the tutorial Owlcat made radiance a +10 vortex sword with 40d8 dmg.
That's ok in your brain because I can just not use it.
Ah right, I can even make 5 STR/5 DEX/5 CON fighter to counter it.

 

[Average Manatee]

Asking players to gimp themselves intentionally, knowing there are better options, is the same as having a challenge trying to use all the tools the game gives you.
Disgusting retardos like you is why we have baldur's gate 3, go play larian games and be happy of those.

So if you know that IWDEE exists but play IWD1 non-EE anyway, aren't you gimping yourself intentionally knowing there are better options?

Doesn't that also mean that playing the game on any difficulty higher than casual is gimping yourself intentionally, both for IWD and WotR?

 

[mediocrepoet]

Imagine if in the tutorial Owlcat made radiance a +10 vortex sword with 40d8 dmg.
That's ok in your brain because I can just not use it.
Ah right, I can even make 5 STR/5 DEX/5 CON fighter to counter it.

You're dumber than I thought. Holy hell.

 

[Desiderius]

It's a decent analogy.

 

[mediocrepoet]

It's a decent analogy.

You think blowing a mythic feat to use a spell that has a saving throw is the same thing as getting a non existent more than artifact level item for free in the tutorial?

I hate to say it, but...

Anyway either I lost the thread somewhere or you did. I'm actually surprised you agree with him given the types of arguments you've given as gospel.

 

[Average Manatee]

"Not using the best option is gimping yourself"

"I want to play assassin but if they add ascendant element poison it will be too easy"

 

[mediocrepoet]

"Not using the best option is gimping yourself"

"I want to play assassin but if they add ascendant element poison it will be too easy"

It's why he only plays Kingmaker with 6x Kineticist. It may not be fun, but it's the only logical way to play.

 

[Desiderius]

It's a decent analogy.

You think blowing a mythic feat to use a spell that has a saving throw is the same thing as getting a non existent more than artifact level item for free in the tutorial?

I hate to say it, but...

Anyway either I lost the thread somewhere or you did. I'm actually surprised you agree with him given the types of arguments you've given as gospel.

Nah, I came in late. I'll avoid broken stuff but I'd rather it just not be in-game. Self-nerf while sometimes necessary is never fun, better to have different ways to attack a problem.

 

[ga♥]

Nah, I came in late. I'll avoid broken stuff but I'd rather it just not be in-game. Self-nerf while sometimes necessary is never fun, better to have different ways to attack a problem.

Brain wired in a different way, no other explanation :shrug:

 

[mediocrepoet]

It's a decent analogy.

You think blowing a mythic feat to use a spell that has a saving throw is the same thing as getting a non existent more than artifact level item for free in the tutorial?

I hate to say it, but...

Anyway either I lost the thread somewhere or you did. I'm actually surprised you agree with him given the types of arguments you've given as gospel.

Nah, I came in late. I'll avoid broken stuff but I'd rather it just not be in-game. Self-nerf while sometimes necessary is never fun, better to have different ways to attack a problem.

Meh, it's the issue with any save or die/save or suck type of mechanics. It's either OP or useless. It's an old problem.

Here you'd have to not just invest in the mythic to overcome immunity, but also your general DCs, so you can have a character that's ultra specialized in one thing if you want to. Same as a lot of the stuff people post in these threads, like the weird gnome illusionist that one shots non-immunes, etc. Or just make an angel oracle blaster, or...

 

[Rhobar121]

The game is trivial to broken if you have even the slightest knowledge of 3e and even if you don't Owlcat has included things like imposible domain (you should only be able to select it once) and expanded arsenal (still not fixed).
Even without this, divine caster/angel or arcane caster/lich exist and do not require any thought, just choose the most logical class/mythic path combinations.

 

[Desiderius]

All this shit is mid-game at the earliest. You guys don’t know what broken means.

I’m not saying that Assassin Poison is broken (lol) but that +10 early game Radiance etc was good analogy for something that is and he nailed the cope people come up with for that kind of thing pretty well.

 

[Rhobar121]

All this shit is mid-game at the earliest. You guys don’t know what broken means.

I’m not saying that Assassin Poison is broken (lol) but that +10 early game Radiance etc was good analogy for something that is and he nailed the cope people come up with for that kind of thing pretty well.

The end of Act 2 isn't even halfway through the game

 

[Desiderius]

Impossible Domain is bad actually, however many you can choose. Why duplicate when you can accentuate? Expanded was fixed.

Merge is dumb but that was nerfed to some extent too IIRC and doesn’t trivialize the game as much as simply being better than alternatives.

 

[mediocrepoet]

All this shit is mid-game at the earliest. You guys don’t know what broken means.

I’m not saying that Assassin Poison is broken (lol) but that +10 early game Radiance etc was good analogy for something that is and he nailed the cope people come up with for that kind of thing pretty well.

So... it's a good analogy for something else that you would get at level 1 and not what he's whining about. Ok.

Guess you got us again, Desiduder.