Pathfinder Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous - Game of the Year Edition

[Jermu]

After having mental breakdown glad this fucker puller itself together and decided to give speech while arrows are flying around

done with chapter 2 now, unfair prologue + chapter 1 took shitload of spamming F9 most of fights took multiple tries. chapter 1 I had to skip 2 fights vrock + 1 shadow guy

I'm pretty much doing mc + 5 custom companions but I just used respec mod to customize companions

mutation warrior
1 ghost rider / x paladin
skald
divine hound for early game -> replaced with succubus lady who is demonslayer (no pet)
shadowcaster
cleric community + pet metaslave

so for prologue + chapter 1 I had 3 pets and now Im just rolling with 1 horse + 1 dog

probably wont do much dipping other than for paladin I might after I get paladin to 11 or 13. cleric might dip into loremaster so I can pick some spells I feel like Im missing


how hard is midnight isles for chapter 3? I test how I survive after I have grinded other stuff before moving to chapter 4

 

[Desiderius]

Isles is significantly harder than rest of ch3, though you can take it a bite at a time. Kind of throws everything off though. I think I'll skip.

What spells is Cleric missing when you have full Arcane in party? Let Aru ride Bismuth, she can get Point-Blank via Combat Style Feats.

 

[Jermu]

creeping doom is the obvious choice if I want to cheese some harder encounters but with turn based combat + spamming summons its maybe not needed

at release I just cheesed playful darkness blade barrier spam, trash gaming. I see if I get filtered by it but just having mark of justice might be good enough

 

[ga♥]

Dipping in loremaster is also to get the feats without requirement, like shatter without dazzling, or weapon specialization.
I approve the dip.

 

[Desiderius]

Mark and Hearth go a long way. Might be a little clunky to get Hearth down in time, but I guess you can just let him come to you.

I usually zerg him, but I don't use Hearth much (and hate Animal Domain). Doom + Mark (it picks up the damage bonus) is the cheese I guess. Never needed it.

Main thing is to come back after getting a couple levels (preferably Mythic 5) in ACT 4. His section sticks around after killing Darrazand.

 

[Grunker]

Might be a little clunky to get Hearth down in time

Wat, why

You can even precast it

 

[Desiderius]

Dipping in loremaster is also to get the feats without requirement, like shatter without dazzling, or weapon specialization.
I approve the dip.

If you're dipping for Weapon Specialization you're playing the wrong game. Especially on a Cleric. Shatter is whatever.

I want to get to 9th level spells ASAP, it's why you're playing the class. I think Loremaster doesn't skip a caster level anymore? Depends if you want the prereq Feats or not. Cleric is feat-starved. It doesn't have that many abilities that scale by class-level relative to hybrids so does set up better for prestige.

 

[Desiderius]

Might be a little clunky to get Hearth down in time

Wat, why

You can even precast it

Not where PD is you can't.

I'm Charging his sorry ass (or Dooring in) down there away from his buddies so he can't flank my dudes.

Domain Zealot can get it done depending on Initiative I guess if you're down there for Prayer and Channeling.

 

[ga♥]

Dipping in loremaster is also to get the feats without requirement, like shatter without dazzling, or weapon specialization.
I approve the dip.

If you're dipping for Weapon Specialization you're playing the wrong game. Especially on a Cleric. Shatter is whatever.

I want to get to 9th level spells ASAP, it's why you're playing the class. I think Loremaster doesn't skip a caster level anymore? Depends if you want the prereq Feats or not. Cleric is feat-starved. It doesn't have that many abilities that scale by class-level relative to hybrids so does set up better for prestige.

Cleric is feat starved, this is why 5 levels of loremaster is good, duh
You get a feat more of your choice and a skill focus for free, just by doing it, it's basic math, and you just lose like 1 AB. And you don't lose any CL with loremaster.
Only things are SOME cleric domain abilities could be affected if they work off the Cleric level, but not guarded heart, so it is a no brainer.

 

[Desiderius]

I'm playing TTT which uses Tabletop prereqs for LM.

Sounds like a good plan on vanilla for those Domains*, though it nerfs Touch of Good and other Domain abilities that scale by Class level. Luck picks up another couple activations of Divine Fortune etc...

* - doesn't it turn off pet levels?

 

[ga♥]

I'm playing TTT which uses Tabletop prereqs for LM.

Sounds like a good plan on vanilla for those Domains*, though it nerfs Touch of Good and other Domain abilities that scale by Class level. Luck picks up another couple activations of Divine Fortune etc...

* - doesn't it turn off pet levels?

Never used pets but I assume it would affect pets yeah, someone would need to confirm.
Without pets I think it's just better in 99% of cases... at least if you compare with Crusader and his bonus feats, which gives up too much for too little in return IMHO. Especially, missing 1 slot per level is going to hurt a lot, starting from level 3 onward, even with abundant.

 

[Desiderius]

Crusader gets the Feats starting at lvl 1 (so does Demonbane!), that's where you need them if you want to fight/tank.

Fighting Cleric doesn't need as many slots since it's not casting in combat (or Domains since not using Domain abilities). Abundant is more than enough.

Animal Domain does get better Summons so not a complete waste, but he's going to miss those pet levels going LM.

 

[ga♥]

Crusader gets the Feats starting at lvl 1 (so does Demonbane!), that's where you need them if you want to fight/tank.

Well yeah, I assume with Erastil and a pet so prolly he's using bows though.

Fighting Cleric doesn't need as many slots since it's not casting in combat (or Domains since not using Domain abilities). Abundant is more than enough.

You need the buffs, and it will be a pain. Not only because the sheaningans to get all the death wards or life bubbles but when a new level unlocks and in that level you are supposed to get 1 slot (like level 9, but it happens even before), you will get 0, so in those scenarios you are behind 1 level like a spontaneous caster.

 

[EdgyRightWinger]

After having mental breakdown glad this fucker puller itself together and decided to give speech while arrows are flying around

Is there any way to kill her and Trannevia off early? I don't care what bonuses I lose from it.

 

[Desiderius]

Crusader gets the Feats starting at lvl 1 (so does Demonbane!), that's where you need them if you want to fight/tank.

Well yeah, I assume with Erastil and a pet so prolly he's using bows though.

Fighting Cleric doesn't need as many slots since it's not casting in combat (or Domains since not using Domain abilities). Abundant is more than enough.

You need the buffs, and it will be a pain. Not only because the sheaningans to get all the death wards or life bubbles but when a new level unlocks and in that level you are supposed to get 1 slot (like level 9, but it happens even before), you will get 0, so in those scenarios you are behind 1 level like a spontaneous caster.

Cleric with a bow might as well not waste your time. It's not a thing. Cleric has zero ranged abilities. If you want to fight get in there.

It's not a pain. You get one less cast but always get at least one (unless you've dumped WIS which is a bad idea) and once you get Abundant it's a non-issue. Ember has Death Ward and Aru has Life Bubble or you can bring another Divine caster for back-up and Prayers, Edges etc.

 

[Desiderius]

After having mental breakdown glad this fucker puller itself together and decided to give speech while arrows are flying around

Is there any way to kill her and Trannevia off early? I don't care what bonuses I lose from it.

They're NPCs, not companions.

 

[EdgyRightWinger]

Great I can permanently kill literal demon gods but I can't kill a couple of sexual perverts.

 

[CthuluIsSpy]

Iirc, there are ways to kill them, but its through specific paths. I'm pretty sure you can outright kill them as any of the "evil" paths.
I can't remember if you need Irabeth alive for Ascension or not.

 

[Skinwalker]

Is it shit?

 

[Parabalus]

I can't remember if you need Irabeth alive for Ascension or not.

You don't.

 

[Desiderius]

Finally was able to test a couple things I was looking at last year that finally work:



I think this is Frigid Touch working with Spellstrike, which applies 1 minute Stagger on 17-20 Heavy XBow crit. Rime metamagic (it applies the Entangle) is also now working (from TTT I think). Both are no save.

Gormandizer has eight attax so kind of useful.



If you have the Greater Bull Rush Feat Cavalier Mighty Charge *does* trigger AoOs. Nice that Order of the Paw gets Dog Mount to get two bites at the Trip (in addition to the one from the Mighty Charge).

Deliberately avoiding damage boosting feats and abilities to give fights a round or two to play out.

 

[Desiderius]

The journotards are still stuck on the awful Alchemist/MW splash with Ulbrig and InEffective of all people is coming in to gently suggest they stop nerfing themselves.

If he can learn you can too. How to play Ulbrig:

(1) Don’t play Unfair

(2) On Unfair Zerg with tank to grab aggro* (Ulbrig can’t zerg anyway, Death from Above is in combat only), then use Death to take out casters/archers way behind front line (huge range). Grapple for style points or just mow down with Pounce.

(3) There are mods for Grapple Feats and/or Feral Combat Training to turn on Combat Styles (Dragon and Mantis are fun, Crane of course always there too). Shifter feats sadly mailed in. Fearsome ok I guess with respec into WIS to Intimidate.

* - use Mage Armor pots to give him decent AC, but he shouldn’t be getting attacked much

 

[Jermu]

soon done with chapter 3 and its been very easy compared to prologue / chapter 1, chapter 2 had some good fights in it. midnight isles ship fuckness was very tedious too many islands, at least it was more challenging than rest of chapter 3 but something like 5-7 islands would be more reasonable. did not pay much attention to island buffs/debuffs other than old age gimmick was annoying. level 15 already and have not started journey to abyss yet


regarding party:

trickster mc feels very strong after mythic rank 4 perception 2 thingie helps rest of party nicely. completely normal spell + buff setup took over 1 hour to set up

early game paladin's horse with a shield seemed good but now its pretty pointless fully buffed AC would drop from 63->58 and would save 2 feats from paladin. 5 AC is good and all but enemies tend to ignore horse and rush to weaker chars. I might respec into some 2 hand weapon build after I find some cool looking weapon

dipping cleric into loremaster does not seem to have drawbacks other than getting 1 useless feat (skill focus), loremaster keeps pet leveling progression going which might be a bug

skald is wonderful

been playing too much so I will take few days break now

 

[Yosharian]

Horse isn't just about AC, it's about free pounce

 

[Desiderius]

Horse isn't just about AC, it's about free pounce

Which is isn't supposed to.

TTT gives this ability at the end of a Feat chain but normal is you get a Standard action or tandem Charge, which is good enough already.

enemies tend to ignore horse and rush to weaker chars

They only rush to enemies they've perceived. You can control that. Pal is great tank on the ground with Divine Weapon Bond and smite overcoming the malus from defensive abilities/Power attack. There's an item that converts Smite AC to Sacred at beginning of Ch 3 and a Sword that gets +3 AB with Shield equipped.

dipping cleric into loremaster does not seem to have drawbacks other than getting 1 useless feat (skill focus), loremaster keeps pet leveling progression going which might be a bug

Domain abilities like Touch of Good are not supposed to progress in LM, which would include pet.