Pathfinder Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous Pre-DLC Thread [GO TO NEW THREAD]

[JamesDixon]

Infinity Engine also has smaller maps and started the entire process. I do like the engine otherwise. It is my favorite edition of AD&D.

I'm sure the bg maps were hard to render for the small teams they had back then.

On even slightly more modern hardware than when it came out, I think it could handle giant maps. By 2007 or so, there were PCs that probably could have stuck together all the world maps from BG1 into a single map - though that'd probably ruin the pacing/abstraction of travel time.

The FRUA engine used tiles and sprites which saved on memory while IE used pre-rendered backgrounds in a 2.5D environment. The IE did use all the cpu/gpu/RAM that was available for the time. It was a decision to switch from tile based maps to pre-rendered. Anyway, I'm just disappointed in the decline of crpgs as a whole.

 

[Desiderius]

There are like two hundred ways to ignore enemies' immunities and resistances in this game. Can't you just use Ember's Vulnerability Curse? (it's an honest question, I don't know if this monster is somehow immune to it)

I dunno, I don't have ember with me, just Nenio.
Honestly, finishing off the demons isn't even the hard part, its getting past the 44AC.
Even with all 10 of my buffs up I only get like +25 attack bonus at most on my dps.
And they have such a big health pool, 50 con plus 10 health regen every round.
Maybe I'm just not good enough for core.

Not yet. You will be.

 

[Desiderius]

Did they increase the size of the maps that you adventure on or is it still postage stamp sized?

Some are ok sized. Some are tiny. The market felt pretty big, but it takes you through a winding path.

Well for comparison I'll be using SSI's Secret of the Silver Blades. Are the maps in WOTR bigger, equal to, or smaller than the Ruins map?

Smaller

That's disappointing to hear. That's my one major gripe about Kingmaker. It's the 21st century and the dungeons are postage stamp sized romps while a game from 31 years ago had dungeons ten times bigger on weak hardware.

Not that much smaller though. Big enough.

 

[JamesDixon]

Did they increase the size of the maps that you adventure on or is it still postage stamp sized?

Some are ok sized. Some are tiny. The market felt pretty big, but it takes you through a winding path.

Well for comparison I'll be using SSI's Secret of the Silver Blades. Are the maps in WOTR bigger, equal to, or smaller than the Ruins map?

Smaller

That's disappointing to hear. That's my one major gripe about Kingmaker. It's the 21st century and the dungeons are postage stamp sized romps while a game from 31 years ago had dungeons ten times bigger on weak hardware.

Not that much smaller though. Big enough.

Each square in the map I posted is 10 feet, so that's a huge map.

Please define "Big Enough". Big enough is not an objective or logical unit of measurement.

 

[FriendlyMerchant]

Looks like best girl is making a cameo in Wrath

 

[Pink Eye]

You even copy pasted her poop DEX. Amazing.

 

[Non-Edgy Gamer]

Did they increase the size of the maps that you adventure on or is it still postage stamp sized?

Some are ok sized. Some are tiny. The market felt pretty big, but it takes you through a winding path.

Well for comparison I'll be using SSI's Secret of the Silver Blades. Are the maps in WOTR bigger, equal to, or smaller than the Ruins map?

Smaller

That's disappointing to hear. That's my one major gripe about Kingmaker. It's the 21st century and the dungeons are postage stamp sized romps while a game from 31 years ago had dungeons ten times bigger on weak hardware.

Not that much smaller though. Big enough.

Each square in the map I posted is 10 feet, so that's a huge map.

Please define "Big Enough". Big enough is not an objective or logical unit of measurement.

The map I'm on right now "Tirabade Residence" is a single intersection of a city street. Big enough for a single combat encounter.

 

[The_Mask]

That's terrible since Secrets of the Silver Blades could run fine on a C64 or a 386/33 MHz PC.

Ooof... you imagine smaug/any zoomer reading this? 386 @ 33Mhz? Imagine a PC THAT slow?

 

[Desiderius]

Did they increase the size of the maps that you adventure on or is it still postage stamp sized?

Some are ok sized. Some are tiny. The market felt pretty big, but it takes you through a winding path.

Well for comparison I'll be using SSI's Secret of the Silver Blades. Are the maps in WOTR bigger, equal to, or smaller than the Ruins map?

Smaller

That's disappointing to hear. That's my one major gripe about Kingmaker. It's the 21st century and the dungeons are postage stamp sized romps while a game from 31 years ago had dungeons ten times bigger on weak hardware.

Not that much smaller though. Big enough.

Each square in the map I posted is 10 feet, so that's a huge map.

Please define "Big Enough". Big enough is not an objective or logical unit of measurement.

Nah no need for pedantic semantics.

They’re big enough.

 

[JamesDixon]

Each square in the map I posted is 10 feet, so that's a huge map.

Please define "Big Enough". Big enough is not an objective or logical unit of measurement.

Nah no need for pedantic semantics.

They’re big enough.

You're stupid enough to say that. I used your own logic against you retard. No wonder modern games are shit because of people like you that lap it up since you have no taste or sense.

 

[JamesDixon]

Each square in the map I posted is 10 feet, so that's a huge map.

Please define "Big Enough". Big enough is not an objective or logical unit of measurement.

The map I'm on right now "Tirabade Residence" is a single intersection of a city street. Big enough for a single combat encounter.

So the game is shit then as you have constant loading screens of small areas. The decline is real.

 

[IgnoredFence]

Outplayed.

 

[Stoned Ape]

Feeling a bit trolled that I finally got to pick the Gold Dragon path only to be told to march all the way back to the starting city to properly unlock it. When I get there I'm then given a set of 3 fedex quests before I can begin to use the majority of the path abilities.

On top of that, two of those quests sound like they can only be completed by visiting locations that open much later in the chapter.

So much for getting to use the late game paths for the last two chapters; it's actually a partially-activated path for what sounds like almost all of 5, and then only fully-usable in 6.

I really hate fetch quests.

 

[Erebus]

Still struggling through Chapter 1.

The storytelling really is pretty bad. The prologue should have been used to introduce us to the city and its crusaders, instead of having the big bad demon lord turn up almost immediately. The PC could have been a newcomer thinking about joining the crusaders (instead of a fucking chosen one), who's asked to prove his worth by finding and defeating some cultists hiding somewhere in the city ; and only after the PC has succeeded in his task would the demon lord show up. Exploring a few parts of the city and interacting with its inhabitants would obviously make the place feel more real and give more impact to the moment when it gets destroyed.

In general, the companions aren't great. Seelah's bland. Lann's pretty boring. Wenduag annoyed me. Camellia's enigmatic in really heavy-handed way that doesn't strike my curiosity at all. Woljif's annoying. Nenio could be interesting if only she wasn't so caricatural. I don't have an opinion about Ember yet. Daeran seems okay, but it's a bit early to judge.

Being a frontline warrior isn't the most exciting role in a party, but it's still a necessary one and I wish there were a few more companions able to play it. It's kinda sad that Seelah and Lann/Wenduag are so far the only ones who get a Str bonus.

 

[Delterius]

I really hate fetch quests.

think on it next time you order something

 

[Mortmal]

That's terrible since Secrets of the Silver Blades could run fine on a C64 or a 386/33 MHz PC.

Ooof... you imagine smaug/any zoomer reading this? 386 @ 33Mhz? Imagine a PC THAT slow?

a C64 or a 8088 ibm pc for secret of the silver blades , 386 dx 33 was for playing U7 and ultima underworld, sx was bare minimum...

 

[fantadomat]

WARNING


In chapter 5 when you go to search for the dumb queen,make sure you make a manual save before you enter the city of IZ. After that you must not explore but just go for the queen in the upper right corner. If you explore she dies and then big bug men show up and it is friendly,thus breaking the quest.

 

[fantadomat]

Also the best reward in the game,selecting number 5 for the win.......until you do it and then the games teleports you of the map,thus being unable to kill it lol

 

[Dishonoredbr]

Also the best reward in the game,selecting number 5 for the win.......until you do it and then the games teleports you of the map,thus being unable to kill it lol

Your portait is the best part. lmao

 

[LannTheStupid]

See, Desiderius , trolls react to statuses, too.

 

[jf8350143]

So how do you order the craftsmen to improve the relic in act 3? I can't seem to make it work.

 

[Non-Edgy Gamer]

The storytelling really is pretty bad. The prologue should have been used to introduce us to the city and its crusaders, instead of having the big bad demon lord turn up almost immediately. The PC could have been a newcomer thinking about joining the crusaders (instead of a fucking chosen one), who's asked to prove his worth by finding and defeating some cultists hiding somewhere in the city ; and only after the PC has succeeded in his task would the demon lord show up. Exploring a few parts of the city and interacting with its inhabitants would obviously make the place feel more real and give more impact to the moment when it gets destroyed.

Ordinarily, I would agree with you as it would give you a chance to bond with characters and learn more about the city.

However, with this game, the more I learn about the characters, the less I want to save them.

 

[The_Mask]

the more I learn about the characters, the less I want to save them.

Not going to be edgy, but that might be a good thing. We were debating when it came to Tyranny, that, other than MOTB, there are very few RPGs where the evil path feels more rewarding.

 

[Jackpot]

I ended up defeating that robot demon encounter by reloading a bunch hoping to get lucky enough to have both dismiss and hold creature get through the demon's spell resistance and will saves at the start.
It wasn't fun, and I don't really know how you're supposed to do it legitimately.

Then I moved to the next room where there is a virtually identical encounter with the exact same enemies.

 

[dacencora]

So I’m liking this a fair deal, but Kingmaker bored me to death. Is it worth going back to Kingmaker eventually?