Pathfinder Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous Pre-DLC Thread [GO TO NEW THREAD]

[The_Mask]

I might just, Desiderius forgive me, play on a lower difficulty and up it on subsequent playthroughs.

Begging for forgiveness as a Demon. Funny.

 

[Fedora Master]

I might just, Desiderius forgive me, play on a lower difficulty and up it on subsequent playthroughs.

From my experience this is an issue due to the low level of the chars, the difficulty gets lower, relatively speaking as soon as you have decent abilities to use. Otherwise though I do not think it shameful, in the least, if difficulty is lowered. Fun is always worth more than gamer cred.

Certain fights remain mostly RNG based even later on unless you already know what you'll be facing. Typical Owlcat design problem: You HAVE to have foreknowledge to effectively counter whatever shitfight they came up with.

 

[The_Mask]

You have to beat the Minotaur and all the Arsonists, I believe. I still had one Arsonist knocked out by Slumber after killing the Minotaur and the fight didn't end until he was gone.

I think I commented on this in the beta as well. There is only ONE RPG that got away with infinite spawns, and that's P:T. And even there, it's awkward. Unless you're aiming for a better RPG than P:T don't do infinite spawns.

 

[Desiderius]

I might just, Desiderius forgive me, play on a lower difficulty and up it on subsequent playthroughs.

Whack shit that's fallen down in the Grease with that Glaive and Fear everything else once a round. It isn't rocket science. Get those Arsonists on the run.

 

[Desiderius]

Hey, cool ! An amulet of Agile Fists ! I'll give it to Camellia, that should really boost her dam... FUCK !

Okay, fine. Woljif, you take it. Maybe it'll even combine with your otherwise useless Double Slice feat.

It's not useless. It works with DEX-to-dam like it did with Maegar in Varnhold. They don't fuck that kind of shit up. Designers take a personal interest in Companion builds. Everything has a use.

 

[Non-Edgy Gamer]

Poop succubus

 

[Heroic Liberator]

By the way, do Lann and Wenduag have companion quests? Tempted to not recruit either of them, but don't want to lock myself out of content.

 

[Non-Edgy Gamer]

- There are so many bugs. SOOOOOOOOOO many bugs.

It's funny how when someone who's critical of the game says this, LannTheStupid et al come out of the woodworks to demand proof. But when it's one of their own beta players, no one challenges it.

Now, I haven't been following this thread because I have actually being playing the game in my spare time. Is it worth me reading over these past 164 pages to see what has been said, or should I just start my next playthrough?

Nope. I and a few others have been complaining, mostly about the bad writing. Fanboys have been defending, as they do. If you enjoy it, keep enjoying it, I say.

 

[Parabalus]

By the way, do Lann and Wenduag have companion quests? Tempted to not recruit either of them, but don't want to lock myself out of content.

With impact on the crusades, they aren't kidding bout that mongrel army.

 

[Heroic Liberator]

By the way, do Lann and Wenduag have companion quests? Tempted to not recruit either of them, but don't want to lock myself out of content.

With impact on the crusades, they aren't kidding bout that mongrel army.

Good to know. Wenduag it is then.

 

[Jackpot]

I might just, Desiderius forgive me, play on a lower difficulty and up it on subsequent playthroughs.

I'm going to do the opposite.
My second playthrough will be on normal so I can appreciate the power fantasy more.

 

[Saark]

Certain fights remain mostly RNG based even later on unless you already know what you'll be facing. Typical Owlcat design problem: You HAVE to have foreknowledge to effectively counter whatever shitfight they came up with.

Isn't that most IE games though? The challenge is in spreading yourself thin enough to be prepared for almost everything, and thanks to skills like Scroll Scribing/Potion Brewing and having a few spontaneous caster companion choices, you can generally be pretty prepared for anything the game might throw at you.

Mind you I'm only lv13 and about to enter Ivory Sanctum, so I'm still quite some ways off of the later parts of the game, but so far I could deal with most shit by having a few Rank 5/6 spells prepared as potions and scrolls. Buying scroll and potion sets early instead of item upgrades that would ultimately only result in a +1 attack/damage roll was certainly worth the investment.

 

[Sunri]

By the way, do Lann and Wenduag have companion quests? Tempted to not recruit either of them, but don't want to lock myself out of content.

Yes they have companion quests i don't know about wendu but lan is quite good character

 

[Fedora Master]

Certain fights remain mostly RNG based even later on unless you already know what you'll be facing. Typical Owlcat design problem: You HAVE to have foreknowledge to effectively counter whatever shitfight they came up with.

Isn't that most IE games though? The challenge is in spreading yourself thin enough to be prepared for almost everything, and thanks to skills like Scroll Scribing/Potion Brewing and having a few spontaneous caster companion choices, you can generally be pretty prepared for anything the game might throw at you.

Mind you I'm only lv13 and about to enter Ivory Sanctum, so I'm still quite some ways off of the later parts of the game, but so far I could deal with most shit by having a few Rank 5/6 spells prepared as potions and scrolls. Buying scroll and potion sets early instead of item upgrades that would ultimately only result in a +1 attack/damage roll was certainly worth the investment.

Gray Bastion is a good example of what I mean: There are multiple fights in there where you open a door and get bombs/fireballs/insects swarms to the face. You can't defend against this unless you know it is coming OR you have stocked up on fire protection beforehand. Or not at all in the case of swarms and bombs.

Of course once you get more options to cheese fights the game becomes easier but even then some of the fights remain overtuned. Ivory Sanctum is a good example since the swarm guy just facerolls groups - Although admittedly because swarms were horribly bugged.

 

[Heroic Liberator]

By the way, do Lann and Wenduag have companion quests? Tempted to not recruit either of them, but don't want to lock myself out of content.

Yes they have companion quests i don't know about wendu but lan is quite good character

I prefer the guy too as a companion, but I want my cannibal mongrel army.

 

[Takamori]

Yes. Much better

Spoiler

They really need to do his in game model better. You have this bulky gnome and the in game model looks like a gnome with terminal cancer and aids.

Regill is so good that I'm planning to do a Hellknight playthrough after my inquisitor of Cayden Cailean. Also one thing that I don't understand is his alignment Lawful Evil, he is more Lawful Neutral than anything.

 

[Non-Edgy Gamer]

Isn't that most IE games though?

No. You can solo IE games. Maybe at level 1 or 2 it could come down to RNG, but once you get even the barest assortment of items or party members, you should be able to handle yourself.

Encounters were level scaled and content was gated so that you'd never face an impossible challenge, and you could choose to outright avoid a fair few. Even in BG2, the fight with Firkraag was optional and you could return later to finish it.

If you died often, it was probably because you were just window-selecting your party and clicking attack over and over - which you can still probably win most fights in any IE game with.

 

[Sunri]

By the way, do Lann and Wenduag have companion quests? Tempted to not recruit either of them, but don't want to lock myself out of content.

Yes they have companion quests i don't know about wendu but lan is quite good character

I prefer the guy too as a companion, but I want my cannibal mongrel army.

cannibal mongrel army sounds cool but mongrel sharpshooters are super broken

 

[Fedora Master]

Isn't that most IE games though?

No. You can solo IE games. Maybe at level 1 or 2 it could come down to RNG, but once you get even the barest assortment of items or party members, you should be able to handle yourself.

Encounters were level scaled and content was gated so that you'd never face an impossible challenge, and you could choose to outright avoid a fair few. Even in BG2, the fight with Firkraag was optional and you could return later to finish it.

If you died often, it was probably because you were just window-selecting your party and clicking attack over and over - which you can still probably win most fights in the game with.

Oh Im sure people have solo'd the game on max difficulty - The problem isn't gating content, the problem is knowing what areas to do in what order to get the most efficient route possible while cheesing the overtuned fights.

 

[Heroic Liberator]

Also one thing that I don't understand is his alignment Lawful Evil, he is more Lawful Neutral than anything.

He isn't in a ruling position, so he's more 'neutral' since that's what's required of him as an enforcer type of character.

 

[Non-Edgy Gamer]

The problem isn't gating content, the problem is knowing what areas to do in what order to get the most efficient route possible while cheesing the overtuned fights.

I just mean that fights in IE games rarely came down to RNG.

Far from being overtuned, they were undertuned. This is why mods like SCS became so popular.

 

[Fedora Master]

The problem isn't gating content, the problem is knowing what areas to do in what order to get the most efficient route possible while cheesing the overtuned fights.

I just mean that fights in IE games rarely came down to RNG.

Far from being overtuned, they were undertuned. This is why mods like SCS became so popular.

That is true - And as it stands if you have even a basic understanding of PF rules you can stomp almost all the fights in the game on Standard difficulty BUT even then there are some that can go horribly wrong at the drop of a die. Which tells me they balanced everything around Standard, not Core.

 

[The_Mask]

Technically speaking, he actually IS terminal. Which only makes him more awesome, seeing how he has one foot firmly in the grave.

This is why I don't like the picture with his helmet on that someone produced earlier in the thread. It takes that away from his character.

 

[Saark]

No. You can solo IE games. Maybe at level 1 or 2 it could come down to RNG, but once you get even the barest assortment of items or party members, you should be able to handle yourself.

How is that different to WotR though? You can solo most parts of the game due to the excessive amounts of XP you get early, but because it is split among a fairly large group early on you dont out-level zones as quickly. Leveling up usually means you get a couple more AC and better attackrolls due to how powerful feats and class abilities are, so just getting 2-3 more levels by the time you get to the Gray Garrison would make things a bit of a cake walk.

You can make due with a single character for most of the game (unless youre planning on playing hard or unfair) and once you get mythic passives like not using up wands or scrolls, you immediately get access to insane levels of power. Being able to freely re-spec/re-create your MC would make it even easier to munchkin your way through the start, and once you get access to your Mythic Path, you'll probably be level 16 or 17 already and will chew through most content with a single character.

Encounters were level scaled and content was gated so that you'd never face an impossible challenge, and you could choose to outright avoid a fair few. Even in BG2, the fight with Firkraag was optional and you could return later to finish it.

It's the same case here. Most, if not all, of the difficult encounters are optional. The most "difficult" fights in Chapter 2 would probably be Shivial, Blightmaw and Zacharius, and you can avoid all 3 of them if you want. The named Nabasu in Lost Chapel would be the only actually tough fight in Chapter 2, for example, and you can straight up cheese that fight by siding with Zacharius and getting a bunch of Crusader NPCs to fight for you, and unlocking the Lich Path allows you to turn ALL of his zombies against him after 3 or 4 rounds of combat.

And if everything else fails, you can just use the Duality of Conjuring and Summoning once you get to Lost Chapel, and win every fight up until Chapter 3 by using it to summon a bunch of Devas/Nabasus based on Alignment.

 

[Delterius]

i'd personally nuke russia if the first 10 levels of wrath used the xvart based encounter design of BG1