Pathfinder Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous Pre-DLC Thread [GO TO NEW THREAD]

[Shadenuat]

Wrath wiki having no Druid spells is like a personal attack on everything I hold most dear.

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[Saark]

The entire Demon Mythic Path seems incredibly buggy. As you get to make a stint in Alushinyrrah during Chapter 3 already, a lot of characters, skillchecks, items and interactions are already present, even though they shouldn't be. Getting dialogue interference from the Hand of the Inheritor when talking to certain NPCs (that probably shouldnt be present in the first place), including a soft-locking of the game and forcing a reload to before I started the quest. Awesome.

 

[Shadenuat]

^Azata did this.

 

[Yosharian]

Imagine playing an Owlcat game before it's been patched for 12 months straight

 

[Heroic Liberator]

Imagine playing an Owlcat game before it's been patched for 12 months straight

Evrojank on release: doesn't scale to Yosharian's level.

 

[smaug]

Is this game better than BG2 for those who have finished it or are in the late game?

If you don’t answer I’m going to make a thread and I don’t care how many times Infinitron retardo’s it.

 

[Heroic Liberator]

Is this game better than BG2 for those who have finished it or are in the late game?

It's a better ToB, gimmicky crusading mechanic aside.

 

[Gangrelrumbler]

They have less than 50 lines of dialogue from the start of Chapter 2 to the end of Chapter 3 combined, if you don't count Irabeths Council dialogue. Insanely mandatory and prominent characters. The game focuses very much on companions, and side characters are just there to fill in the blanks, with the exception of Galfrey, the Storyteller and the Herald. Multiple Act 4 Quest NPCS have more text than Anevia+Irabeth have in Chapter 2 and 3 combined. I'm not sure if we've been playing a different game, but my interactions with Irabeth in all of Chapter 2 were getting her to get us reinforcements, rescuing here from the Gargoyles, hitting her in the face before Drezen, and getting 4 quests dumped into my log by her after taking Drezen. After that shes a council member and a quest turn-in and no other interactions happen at any point. Anevia has even fewer appearances.

It's irrelevant what happens after chapter 4, most of the first impressions will be from the early chapters since the game was released a bit over a week ago. "Rescuing her from gargoyles" is a bit of an understatement. There is a whole big location dedicated to her rescue operation, then she has a PTSD moment before the final fight, then she confronts you about how you handled it. Compared to her what do party member NPCs get at this point? A tiny extra quest and some flavor dialogue? And NPCs that aren't in your party get even less.

If, within 40hours of gameplay, you think that those are "major NPCs" then we're either not playing the same game, or are speaking the same language. Nurah and her traitor storyline feature more prominently than those 2 characters do, and the rest of the show is stolen by Regill, Kaylessa and the Kobold.

They give you most of the quests from the main questline, they cannot be skipped in any way, they are the most important figures in the crusade after you and the queen. How are they not major characters? Were Overseer and Frank Horrigan not major characters because they weren't always there? Nurah appears in 4 scenes in total, one of which is skippable. Sure, she works behind the scenes a lot, but so do the lesbians. Regil is skippable, Kaylessa barely does anything at that point My argument isn't that the lesbians are so terrible they ruin the game for everyone. My argument is that they get mentioned, because they're important NPCs in the early game. They're two of the most important NPCs in chapter 1, and then they are only rivalled by the queen.

Neither do the WotR companions, unless you start being coy and flirty with them. Wenduag acts like a pet around you, but you can tell her to cut it out and you will not get any romance-like conversations unless you're specifically seeking her out about it. Daeran is the one exception here, who is actively trying to court the MC. I find that refreshing, not annoying, as it breaks up the typical "go through all dialogue options to romance character X after each chapter" MO that all the other RPGs adopt. Just tell him you're not interested and he'll never press you about it again. Is that really that big of a deal? I'd think that the codex of all places would appreciate writing that strays from the established behavior of companions to have them be more independent and take initiative, like they do in WotR.

Both he and Sossiel will try to court you. Again, I'm not saying that it's the worst thing ever. I'm saying that it's a content that's very in your face and most players will run into it whanever they want it or not. I don't even know if Daeran's giving you flowers can be skipped unless you kill/exile him before that happens. You're saying that people are "invading the thread" simply because they're commenting what they've seen in the game.

When I first played the game and Anevia comes in and calls the ugly orc her wife, I was like "oh no, please not again" because I myself am certainly not looking forward to play yet another game that suffers from these writing issues. But the more I played, the more I realized that it's not a major plot point and is barely brought ever again after their initial reunion. Even in their interactions with one another, you can barely tell that they're a couple.

I agree with the overall sentiment. Woke content is very frontloaded. The wokest chapters are the earliest. With the Crusade being run exclusively by 3 woke women. Men are more of an obstacle. There is an obviously crazy inquisitor who's a trouble maker, fatso who only cares about himself, and a cuckold who somehow lost the most important relic ever. Then it gets toned down as the game goes along. Still I won't excuse Owlcat since I believe that early game saturation with gays was there simply to secure higher ratings with reviewers.

Ultimately not Owlcats fault, when the source material has these character dynamics pre-written already. For how liberal and "progressive" the source material and the Worldwound AP is at times, the game is trying to stay away from those topics as much as possible. They certainly could've made a bigger deal about the fact that Anevia used to have a dick, for example. Now that would've truly been annoying. But it's done in such a subtle and minor way, that most people miss that fact entirely.

The only way people would miss that is if they skipped every cinematic and dialogue. There is a special cinematic after the end of the first dungeon just to make sure nobody misses that they are both proud lesbians, just look at it:
https://youtu.be/Qo4RwqA3V9U?t=1375
You can't blame people for talking about woke lesbians if Owlcat tried their hardest to make sure that nobody misses the woke lesbians.

 

[The_Mask]

Which martial class is a decent frontliner out of the box?

Tower Shield Specialist.

 

[Fedora Master]

Imagine playing an Owlcat game before it's been patched for 12 months straight

That is the issue everything comes down to, isn't it. We expected Owlcat do IMPROVE, not take steps back.

 

[Gradenmayer]

Is this game better than BG2 for those who have finished it or are in the late game?

If you don’t answer I’m going to make a thread and I don’t care how many times Infinitron retardo’s it.

No, it's not nearly as good as BG2. In terms of encounter design, companions, optimization, itemization, overall quality and polish of mechanics- BG2 is miles ahead.

It's worth playing for it's own sake, but if you expect BG2 quality, you are setting yourself up for disappointment.

 

[Parabalus]

Imagine playing an Owlcat game before it's been patched for 12 months straight

Honestly this has way fewer bugs than KM, didn't have a single quest break up to A5.

The new classes seem to have gotten the worst of it. And mounts.

 

[Robber Baron]

fug how am I supposed to kill

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the "nothing personnel not even my final form" tiefling that evocates a demon in Drezen?
I'm low on scrolls and hold onto my heavy counter evil stuff for the final battle.

 

[smaug]

fug how am I supposed to kill

Spoiler

the "nothing personnel not even my final form" tiefling that evocates a demon in Drezen?
I'm low on scrolls and hold onto my heavy counter evil stuff for the final battle.

What encounter is that?

 

[Parabalus]

I don't even know if Daeran's giving you flowers can be skipped unless you kill/exile him before that happens.

It can, just don't be nice to him.

fug how am I supposed to kill

Spoiler

the "nothing personnel not even my final form" tiefling that evocates a demon in Drezen?
I'm low on scrolls and hold onto my heavy counter evil stuff for the final battle.

What encounter is that?

Let her finish the summoning.

 

[Robber Baron]

fug how am I supposed to kill

Spoiler

the "nothing personnel not even my final form" tiefling that evocates a demon in Drezen?
I'm low on scrolls and hold onto my heavy counter evil stuff for the final battle.

What encounter is that?

The one right after

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Joran vhane, the room with the ritual going on

 

[Gangrelrumbler]

I've gotten true sight on my main DPS and just rushed her.

 

[The_Mask]

Is this game better than BG2 for those who have finished it or are in the late game?

Worse than BG 2. Better than TOB.

 

[smaug]

fug how am I supposed to kill

Spoiler

the "nothing personnel not even my final form" tiefling that evocates a demon in Drezen?
I'm low on scrolls and hold onto my heavy counter evil stuff for the final battle.

What encounter is that?

The one right after

Spoiler

Joran vhane, the room with the ritual going on

You can use bone spells, true sight didn’t do shit for me because AC is so damn high. Also, Inspec, she has no will so she can be phantasmal webbed and such etc

 

[Maculo]

I am already planning to play an Oracle Purifier in a subsequent play through, but are latter acts filled with fire or energy resistant enemies? Am I punching myself in the face by focusing on fire spells?

 

[Thonius]

You asked it, we deliver!
Pro tip of the day: Install Toy box Mode and Enable Multiple Romance At the same time!
Enjoy!

 

[Robber Baron]

Also, Inspec, she has no will so she can be phantasmal webbed and such etc

ooof that would require a camp, thanks for advice though

 

[Desiderius]

Dude, I cannot. They did they same exact fuck-ups they did the last game.

Dogshit optimization with shitton of memory leaks, visual glitches and game ruining bugs (including bugs that were fixed in the first game, like enemies becoming immortal for no reason). How fucking retarded do you have to be to make the same bugs AGAIN?
Half of the damn game you will spend on loading screens! Why does it have to load in to every open world battle, house, map, crusade encounter? Holy shit!

Not even gonna mention ridiculous number bloat to add artificial difficulty, because the AI for the enemies is below single digit. All the billion spells, feats and skills add into tactic of "prebuff correctly, dispell and right click to win". There is no clever use of geometry, no uniquely structured encounters, it's all "dump a bunch of enemies on you to right click".

Writing, story, plot and most of the characters are trash. Writers are mouthbreathers, who never heard about 'prose style' and 'show don't tell' in middle school. I haven't seen text this dry since I've played Outer Worlds. Half of the companions are cringe, the other half are just bearable (not fucking up grounded witty-guy and serious, rational, determined knight is not an achievement nowadays, sorry).

Crusade mode is pure essence of retardation and wasted resources. Why do you add unnecessary trash like this instead of improving other parts of the game? If people wanted to play constipated version HoMM they would just play one of the mirriad mods for their game.

Every fucking moment I spent in this game can be described as 'its fine, but could be done better' stretched over 100 hours.

Build autism, mythic paths and reactivity were the only things that improved in this game. All other aspects have either stagnated or became worse. I honestly wouldn't give this more than 6 out of 10. Which leaves me buffled with some retards that present this as god-tier game here. Get the fuck out with that bullshit!

Welp the rest of you phaggots can give up now, this is the ultimate exemplar of the genre.

 

[Thonius]

I am already planning to play an Oracle Purifier in a subsequent play through, but are latter acts filled with fire or energy resistant enemies? Am I punch myself in the face by focusing on fire spells?

Just take mythic feat.... ez.

 

[Gangrelrumbler]

I am already planning to play an Oracle Purifier in a subsequent play through, but are latter acts filled with fire or energy resistant enemies? Am I punch myself in the face by focusing on fire spells?

Early on you get an ability that lets you bypass damage reduction/immunity of one element.