Pathfinder Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous Pre-DLC Thread [GO TO NEW THREAD]

[Dishonoredbr]

One thing I genuinely dislike about this rule set is is how hyper-specialized with ONE single specific weapon it pushes you to be.
Few feats down the line (weapon focus, weapon specialization, improved crit, etc) and you have literally no reason to ever consider any weapon that isn’t your main one.
It’s… limiting.

It's a shame when you have a shit ton of really cool and interesting weapons but you never use them because none of your characters is built to use them.

I have at least 5 Unique flails that i'll never use

 

[Zboj Lamignat]

Fucking InEffect and his herd of followers who think all the stupid meme-dips are the only way to play, can't see a playthrough were people aren't splashing into monk/vivisectionist/mutagen warrior or some other bullshit because of him


EXTREMELY butthurt

I'm gonna do ultimate challenge and do a twenty 1-level dips mc playthrough one day. Maybe PF3 will have enough classes to do 40 with legend path, ohyeah.

 

[Matalarata]

Fucking InEffect

Sorry, I don't know your boyfriend. Take your lamentation to owlcat, I'd love to be able to play a tower shield specialist frontliner. Now, you roll one of those on core and report back, I'll gladly read your LP.

Even that other one I was speaking to, after much ado about nothing, revealed he was playing swordlord of all things.

 

[Zboj Lamignat]

I'm playing swordlord now and having FUN, wanna fight about it?

 

[Daidre]

God the chapter 4 performance gets awful.

Should really have somehow delayed myself from playing for longer, the game was clearly optimized for first few chapters as always.

It could be same ungodly performance bug I have noticed recently - sometime Abilities/Spells/Belt menu are getting glitched after some new items added there "on the fly". And happens pretty often, for example after level up with new spells, when you put pets on the belt, shapechange effects and etc. After it this all animations in those menu start to stutter and abilities with submenu like Evil Eye stop to work altogether.

What is even worse, all the time the glitched out character is selected whole game stutter like crazy and FPS drops to 15-20.

Honestly, I am at the point when I want to kill the useless cretin who programmed the whole thing with my own hands.

Not sure if it reproduces on all hardware though.

 

[Shadenuat]

It's a shame when you have a shit ton of really cool and interesting weapons but you never use them because none of your characters is built to use them.

I have at least 5 Unique flails that i'll never use

Best bet is probably a Lich, as he gets a choice of pets that can use any weapons, and extra martial companions. Doubt they're very competetive for high difficulty, but you can make yourself an undead armored phalanx party.

I'd love to be able to play a tower shield specialist frontliner. Now, you roll one of those on core and report back

Whats wrong with TSS? There are unique shields and they're not a bad kit.

 

[Desiderius]

One thing I genuinely dislike about this rule set is is how hyper-specialized with ONE single specific weapon it pushes you to be.
Few feats down the line (weapon focus, weapon specialization, improved crit, etc) and you have literally no reason to ever consider any weapon that isn’t your main one.
It’s… limiting.

It's a shame when you have a shit ton of really cool and interesting weapons but you never use them because none of your characters is built to use them.

I have at least 5 Unique flails that i'll never use

That’s why you keep your Martials open instead of needlessly specializing. Proficiencies are valuable don’t waste.

 

[Desiderius]

I'm playing swordlord now and having FUN, wanna fight about it?

This unironically.

Like tanking Minotaur Ghost thing fun.

 

[Zboj Lamignat]

Well, I wasn't being ironic. Kinda regret dipping that 1lvl thug though. I wanted to do such char in KM and for whatever reason am doing it now instead of trying all the new shit. I guess mounted combat being super janky and lots of other stuff plain not working discouraged me.

 

[Tuco Benedicto Pacifico]

That’s why you keep your Martials open instead of needlessly specializing. Proficiencies are valuable don’t waste.

Specialization is simply too beneficial from a min-maxing standpoint, though.

You can delay to a certain extent prioritizing "generic" feats, but at some point you either specialize in one weapon or you are left with a martial class that doesn't go anywhere near to fulfilling its potential.

 

[Matalarata]

I'd like to add, as gay as taking a level in Monk is (and, let's face it, it's one of the gayest shit on earth) wtf is all the fuss about it? It's an easily forgettable sin, considering how long a build takes to flourish. And if one likes to play certain builds at certain difficulty levels, it's more or less a must.
I certainly understand the jokes and the memes and we should all be good sports about it.
Sometimes though, I'm under the impression that certain people are really butthurt about it. Just fucking play the fricking game how you want to, lower the diff or brute force through it or simply prove us all wrong, what's the problem?

I should stop yelling at clouds.

 

[Tacgnol]

I'd like to add, as gay as taking a level in Monk is (and, let's face it, it's one of the gayest shit on earth) wtf is all the fuss about it? It's an easily forgettable sin, considering how long a build takes to flourish. And if one likes to play certain builds at certain difficulty levels, it's more or less a must.
I certainly understand the jokes and the memes and we should all be good sports about it.
Sometimes though, I'm under the impression that someone is really butthurt about it. Just fucking play the fricking game how you want to, lower the diff or brute force through it or simply prove us all wrong, what's the problem?

I should stop yelling at clouds.

I think the frustration is the retarded behaviour you see in many threads (many outside the Dex as well) where people insist you take a monk dip on every martial, regardless of whether it's at all fitting to the character fantasy.

I don't think anyone cares outside that context what is done with characters, it's more just the insistence that everyone makes munchkin-esque dips that don't fit.

 

[Desiderius]

That’s why you keep your Martials open instead of needlessly specializing. Proficiencies are valuable don’t waste.

Specialization is simply too beneficial from a min-maxing standpoint, though.

You can delay to a certain extent prioritizing "generic" feats, but at some point you either specialize in one weapon or you are left with a martial class that doesn't go anywhere near to fulfilling its potential.

No. It isn’t. You’re playing the wrong game.

Peak maxminning. There are exceptions for specific classes but in general being able to use best available (and most appropriate!) trumps that outside these classes.

Git gud.

 

[Jaedar]

I'd like to add, as gay as taking a level in Monk is (and, let's face it, it's one of the gayest shit on earth) wtf is all the fuss about it?

ScaledFist(1)/Paladin(2), every time. I dislike it because its bad for build variety.

 

[volklore]

I'd like to add, as gay as taking a level in Monk is (and, let's face it, it's one of the gayest shit on earth) wtf is all the fuss about it? It's an easily forgettable sin, considering how long a build takes to flourish. And if one likes to play certain builds at certain difficulty levels, it's more or less a must.
I certainly understand the jokes and the memes and we should all be good sports about it.
Sometimes though, I'm under the impression that someone is really butthurt about it. Just fucking play the fricking game how you want to, lower the diff or brute force through it or simply prove us all wrong, what's the problem?

I should stop yelling at clouds.

I think the frustration is the retarded behaviour you see in many threads (many outside the Dex as well) where people insist you take a monk dip on every martial, regardless of whether it's at all fitting to the character fantasy.

I don't think anyone cares outside that context what is done with characters, it's more just the insistence that everyone makes munchkin-esque dips that don't fit.

InEffect builds for unfair and doesn't pretend he isn't minmaxing. There is discalimers on literally every page of his guide. The fact that people play the game on Core while copying his unfair builds instead of lowering the difficulty and playing whatever they want is their issue. Who cares.

 

[Tuco Benedicto Pacifico]

That’s why you keep your Martials open instead of needlessly specializing. Proficiencies are valuable don’t waste.

Specialization is simply too beneficial from a min-maxing standpoint, though.

You can delay to a certain extent prioritizing "generic" feats, but at some point you either specialize in one weapon or you are left with a martial class that doesn't go anywhere near to fulfilling its potential.

No. It isn’t. You’re playing the wrong game.

Peak maxminning. There are exceptions for specific classes but in general being able to use best available (and most appropriate!) trumps that outside these classes.

Git gud.

What the fuck are you blabbing about?
There's no situational "best available" that is going to compensate efficiently enough for shit like
- best hit chance
- increased critical range
- increased critical multiplier

etc.
Especially since you tend to find items more or less in the same ballpark of quality for entire stretches of the game and the only massive outliers are usually the fringe options (that are sooner or later matched by alternate ones, anyway).

Not to mention all the Mythic Feats and special talents that pretty much have at least a Weapon focus as a pre-requirement.

 

[Desiderius]

I'd like to add, as gay as taking a level in Monk is (and, let's face it, it's one of the gayest shit on earth) wtf is all the fuss about it? It's an easily forgettable sin, considering how long a build takes to flourish. And if one likes to play certain builds at certain difficulty levels, it's more or less a must.
I certainly understand the jokes and the memes and we should all be good sports about it.
Sometimes though, I'm under the impression that someone is really butthurt about it. Just fucking play the fricking game how you want to, lower the diff or brute force through it or simply prove us all wrong, what's the problem?

I should stop yelling at clouds.

I think the frustration is the retarded behaviour you see in many threads (many outside the Dex as well) where people insist you take a monk dip on every martial, regardless of whether it's at all fitting to the character fantasy.

I don't think anyone cares outside that context what is done with characters, it's more just the insistence that everyone makes munchkin-esque dips that don't fit.

It’s also really, really bad (especially when people then go naked and trying to chase stats their class wouldn’t otherwise need) and so people suck and start trashing the game and crying for nerfs to turn the game into the one the retarded maxminners tried to optimize for.

It’s a nightmare because the game is in fact optimized for just playing your class and RPing and that working well.

 

[Desiderius]

That’s why you keep your Martials open instead of needlessly specializing. Proficiencies are valuable don’t waste.

Specialization is simply too beneficial from a min-maxing standpoint, though.

You can delay to a certain extent prioritizing "generic" feats, but at some point you either specialize in one weapon or you are left with a martial class that doesn't go anywhere near to fulfilling its potential.

No. It isn’t. You’re playing the wrong game.

Peak maxminning. There are exceptions for specific classes but in general being able to use best available (and most appropriate!) trumps that outside these classes.

Git gud.

What the fuck are you blabbing about?
There's no best available that is going to compensate efficiently enough for shit like
- best hit chance
- increased critical range
- increased critical multiplier

etc.
Especially since you tend to find items more or less in the same ballpark of quality for entire stretches of the game and the only massive outliers are usually the fringe options (that are sooner or later matched by alternate ones, anyway).

Blabbing lol. Trying to help you understand why you were sucking so bad you were on here whining and crying about Drezen while everyone else was having a ball.

You don’t understand where the max’s and min’s even are.

 

[Mortmal]

I'd like to add, as gay as taking a level in Monk is (and, let's face it, it's one of the gayest shit on earth) wtf is all the fuss about it? It's an easily forgettable sin, considering how long a build takes to flourish. And if one likes to play certain builds at certain difficulty levels, it's more or less a must.
I certainly understand the jokes and the memes and we should all be good sports about it.
Sometimes though, I'm under the impression that someone is really butthurt about it. Just fucking play the fricking game how you want to, lower the diff or brute force through it or simply prove us all wrong, what's the problem?

I should stop yelling at clouds.

I think the frustration is the retarded behaviour you see in many threads (many outside the Dex as well) where people insist you take a monk dip on every martial, regardless of whether it's at all fitting to the character fantasy.

I don't think anyone cares outside that context what is done with characters, it's more just the insistence that everyone makes munchkin-esque dips that don't fit.

InEffect builds for unfair and doesn't pretend he isn't minmaxing. There is discalimers on literally every page of his guide. The fact that people play the game on Core while copying his unfair builds instead of lowering the difficulty and playing whatever they want is their issue. Who cares.

Play whatever you want wont work to finish the game however even on normal , not in wotr. First 3 chapters are ok , but end game is clearly built for people who did the monk dip, but know what they are doing. Else it will be F5 F8 all the time.

 

[Matalarata]

ScaledFist(1)/Paladin(2), every time. I dislike it because its bad for build variety.

Mine is Trad monk 1 and the benefits of getting those two pally levels would be outshadowed by the loss of sweet drugs from vivi. See? Variety! Spice of life!

Jokes aside I get the point Tacgnol is trying to make. I'd never allow my current main at my pnp table simply because I'd reckon no player I know could ever devise a background story concise, sufficient and interesting enough to be integrated into the bigger chronicle (that, I remind everyone, should also justify everyone else's PCs) that'd explain such a mixture of classes. Since this is a fucking SP game and the RP is all in my head*, I easily ignore all that to have fun with a system that, as I said before I know pretty well. In order to have fun I need to try and break it, otherwise it's a yawn fest, I need to chase bigger and bigger numbers to make things interesting, but that's what my brain needs.


edit*: and for all the Italians reading this or for anyone capable of reading Italian, know that, in my head, Bismuth, the Dino you get from the statuette, is actually called Capadimuro

 

[panda]

With ability to boost it for another +48 from few other items

Care to share? I'm curious what I've missed.

Casual metamagic rod(i took feat though) gives you +2 per dice and forget about another 24, got brainfart there. There is robe that gives +2 dmg, but for each dice of elemental damage received during previous turn. For some reason i thought it is +2 per dice too and just for a fact of receiving dmg. Aaand I tested and it doesn't seems like that robe works at all , or at least it won't take friendly fire into account.

 

[Mortmal]

ScaledFist(1)/Paladin(2), every time. I dislike it because its bad for build variety.

Mine is Trad monk 1 and the benefits of getting those two pally levels would be outshadowed by the loss of sweet drugs from vivi. See? Variety! Spice of life!

Jokes aside I get the point Tacgnol is trying to make. I'd never allow my current main at my pnp table simply because I'd reckon no player I know could ever devise a background story concise, sufficient and interesting enough to be integrated into the bigger chronicle (that, I remind everyone, should also justify everyone else's PCs) that'd explain such a mixture of classes. Since this is a fucking SP game and the RP is all in my head, I easily ignore all that to have fun with a system that, as I said before I know pretty well. In order to have fun I need to try and break it, otherwise it's a yawn fest, I need to chase bigger and bigger number to make things interesting, but that's what my brain needs.

You are yelling at cloud again old man, only desiderius thinks its any close to tabletop...

 

[Cryomancer]

Play whatever you want wont work to finish the game however even on normal , not in wotr. First 3 chapters are ok , but end game is clearly built for people who did the monk dip, but know what they are doing. Else it will be F5 F8 all the time.

I din't had to use a lot of min maxing in end game. TBH without two rods of greater quicken metamagic and rest scumming, I would't be able to beat certain encounters.

 

[Shadenuat]

I would be happy with just some normal Fighters in party. One Minsc maybe, Kivan, Khaleed. They can have non-epic stat spread with 15 strengths. All in plate mails with cute little flaming swords and stuff.
Would be fun.

Monks, gaylords, cannibals, dex rapiers can all suck it.

On my good run I'd replace Seelah with Mercenary with same build as her, just to change her voice acting.

 

[Mortmal]

Play whatever you want wont work to finish the game however even on normal , not in wotr. First 3 chapters are ok , but end game is clearly built for people who did the monk dip, but know what they are doing. Else it will be F5 F8 all the time.

I din't had to use a lot of min maxing in end game. TBH without two rods of greater quicken metamagic and rest scumming, I would't be able to beat certain encounters.

Me too, but if you have to start scumming, its not really a clear win.Thats why i said pure casters get shafted. I wasnt expecting end game to be so overtuned.