Pathfinder Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous Pre-DLC Thread [GO TO NEW THREAD]

[Matalarata]

Just took a level 7 army using a level 3 one (100 scouts 10 marksmen 10 rangers) in crusade mode. An advice, as soon as you start chapter 3, swap your levelled up General and give him/her a lousy army while leaving the less experienced one with the most powerful one. This way the troops will help him gather xp while the other one can easily mop up with just a couple spells per battle + a heal.

You can use small 1 troop armies to quickly scout the map.

 

[volklore]

I'd like to add, as gay as taking a level in Monk is (and, let's face it, it's one of the gayest shit on earth) wtf is all the fuss about it? It's an easily forgettable sin, considering how long a build takes to flourish. And if one likes to play certain builds at certain difficulty levels, it's more or less a must.
I certainly understand the jokes and the memes and we should all be good sports about it.
Sometimes though, I'm under the impression that someone is really butthurt about it. Just fucking play the fricking game how you want to, lower the diff or brute force through it or simply prove us all wrong, what's the problem?

I should stop yelling at clouds.

I think the frustration is the retarded behaviour you see in many threads (many outside the Dex as well) where people insist you take a monk dip on every martial, regardless of whether it's at all fitting to the character fantasy.

I don't think anyone cares outside that context what is done with characters, it's more just the insistence that everyone makes munchkin-esque dips that don't fit.

InEffect builds for unfair and doesn't pretend he isn't minmaxing. There is discalimers on literally every page of his guide. The fact that people play the game on Core while copying his unfair builds instead of lowering the difficulty and playing whatever they want is their issue. Who cares.

Play whatever you want wont work to finish the game however even on normal , not in wotr. First 3 chapters are ok , but end game is clearly built for people who did the monk dip, but know what they are doing. Else it will be F5 F8 all the time.

I have nothing to oppose since I have not gotten to those chapters yet, I am pretty slow. I will see how it goes, but I somehow doubt this is true. I guess it all depends on your definition of things. I remember people circlejerking Valerie was trash and couldn't tank shit on anything but normal when kingmaker came out, even though it was blatantly wrong. A lot of people were saying that only dex built monk dips are good and could tank stuff in hard or unfair in kingmaker. All of that ended up being complete bullshit.

 

[The_Mask]

Just woke up. I have to joke about this:

Funny how some bitches make fun of monk players, but then take the dip.

I say: show a lil more respect, if you're gonna dip.

 

[Desiderius]

I never thought my Eldritch Scion would be tank as much as Regill and Camellia. That bitch is getting 37 AC on top of Blur/Displacement/Mirror Image.

Also what are you doing guys with Darean, he's kinda useles in combat to me rn. He does some really nice heals but damage wise is eh.

He has fast spell progression.

Those spells that sucked before? They don't now. He can also tank and when he hits Frightful slay but that takes awhile. Second mystery Ancestors has some very nice stuff, as does Waves.



(this is a Swift Action)

 

[Shadenuat]

Also what are you doing guys with Darean, he's kinda useles in combat

Mostly listen to his sass. From all three boys, he, unlike others, is at least eloquent. And since keeping more than 1 boi is insufferable, I take him. I made him hit something in melee once. Terrible creature though.

He can take extra mysteries and all that right? Should be able to cast something but healz, surely. And high dex means he could potentially stick something with pointy ends, but how keep him alive?

 

[Parabalus]

And the variety of effects aren't better than a x7 multiplier, or a 11-20 threat range. They are cooler though.

I guess most people don't design their groups with seven characters all doing at least 100-300 per round. Then add in crit chains and AoOs and Cleaving Shot. Shit's already dying fine.

It's the not getting killed/controlled/making sure I can hit shit part that is usually the issue.

Yeah if you've got one guy doing all the damage while everyone else picks their butts then you've got to focus on maxxing crits or whatever. Not really an issue here.

So play worse builds on purpose, that's also fine. There's enough power in the party to play without weapon focus.

Most of those AoOs trigger on crits though.

 

[Sunri]

Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous
IS the Dark Souls of crpg games

 

[Sharpedge]

I have nothing to oppose since I have not gotten to those chapters yet, I am pretty slow. I will see how it goes, but I somehow doubt this is true. I guess it all depends on your definition of things. I remember people circlejerking Valerie was trash and couldn't tank shit on anything but normal when kingmaker came out, even though it was blatantly wrong. A lot of people were saying that only dex built monk dips are good and could tank stuff in hard or unfair in kingmaker. All of that ended up being complete bullshit.

Its not true. My MC in my current playthrough has 92 AC with the monk dip. If I made an armoured alternative without the monk dip (obviously changing which feats I would choose etc), it would have 88 AC. It would have other benefits however, for example, there is this shield which gives immunity to both slashing and piercing damage. A monk dip is not required at all to survive, the reason I mainly stuck with it was for flurry of blows since I was using a quarterstaff to attack and an extra attack was nice. There are really strong pieces of body armour as well as shields, so you are sacrificing 2 equipment slots for your monk AC, which is huge.

 

[Shadenuat]

I guess most people don't design their groups with seven characters all doing at least 100-300 per round

Since your tolerance to companions would probably only go down eventually; unless they begin to introduce galant cavaliers, sexy witches and wise druids into game through DLCs for Kanerah-effect style, people might be running smaller parties. Viktor I think played 4?

 

[Raghar]

I would be happy with just some normal Fighters in party.

One companion class which I miss a lot in both owlcat games is a Druid companion.

In kingmaker and in this game, we have two clerics but not a single druid.

Have you forgotten about murdering that druid in Kingmaker?

 

[Desiderius]

Wenduag is too minmaxed to be a cool companion.

Also she's dumb.

I would be happy with just some normal Fighters in party.

One companion which I miss a lot in both owlcat games is a Druid companion.

In kingmaker and in this game, we have two clerics but not a single druid.

Yeah too much technocracy, not enough Create Goodberries.

Soviet game soviet je ne sais quoi

 

[Desiderius]

Lots of wasted monies.

Poverty breeds such habits. Same as the guy who buys a shitty old BMW while not having enough money for gas or the nouveau riche guy who makes himself a kitschy mansion that screams opulence and bad taste.

But anyhow, 'twas just a playful tease. I like Southern Italy.

Yeah man Blacks Lives Matter. Go easily on little Tuco Benedicto Pacifico here.

 

[Heroic Liberator]

Yeah man Blacks Lives Matter. Go easily on little Tuco Benedicto Pacifico here.

"From Milan, Italy."
That guy's a perfidious polentone tho, not a humble Southerner.

 

[Cryomancer]

I think played 4?

Played with 2 till the siege of Drezen, then 4 for the rest. I always preferred smaller parties.

For tanking, I was using animal companions which I don't need to worry about attribute damage and expensive ressurection scrolls.

galant cavaliers, sexy witches and wise druids

Strongly agreed. If was up to me, I would put a Cavalier which would ride a Wyvern, a blonde, red eyed winter witch and a very old yet powerful druid companion. Also would add a kitsune samurai companion only to mock people who are still butthurt that ratfolk din't own the poll. The kistune samurai will use a lot of weeabo words like kawai, sugoi and use honorifics to refer to the PC. If PC is a lawful good human fighter, he would refer to the PC as a Generi-kun. If the PC is a might Wizard, he would refer as pc_name-sama.

 

[Desiderius]

I hear Neapolitan life was unrivaled under the Borboni. Maybe his ancestors are from there.

Pretty low what the Milanese did to their brothers.

 

[Heroic Liberator]

Anyhow, Desiderius, what are my options for an INT-based divine caster? Any way to turn a cleric or inquisitor into one?

 

[Shadenuat]

Alpha eridani

I prefer Alpha Centauri.

Spoiler

...Follow codexers as they gather and organize their shitposts. What higher order guides their work? Mark my words: someone or something is managing the ecology of this forum.

 

[smaug]

I never thought my Eldritch Scion would be tank as much as Regill and Camellia. That bitch is getting 37 AC on top of Blur/Displacement/Mirror Image.

Also what are you doing guys with Darean, he's kinda useles in combat to me rn. He does some really nice heals but damage wise is eh.

I gave him extra channel, extra channel, extra channel, and mythic channel. Going to get enduring spells or more spell casting with him as he’s a heal and buff bot for me.

 

[Cryomancer]

what are my options for an INT-based divine caster? Any way to turn a cleric or inquisitor into one?

Sadly no. But you can make a sage sorcerer. A int based spontaneous caster.

 

[Daidre]

Also what are you doing guys with Darean, he's kinda useles in combat

Mostly listen to his sass. From all three boys, he, unlike others, is at least eloquent. And since keeping more than 1 boi is insufferable, I take him. I made him hit something in melee once. Terrible creature though.

I have a murderdog build especially for him:
1. Take a Second Mystery > Nature at first mythic rank
2. Take Animal Companion as lvl 7 Mystery (wolf is my fav).
3. Get Both of them Outflunk.
4. Get him Weapon Finesse and Proficiency with some finessable weapon like a Rapier or Estoc. I like Estoc for shield and crit fishing with Improved Crit to give his four-legged friend all those nice extra attacks.
5. Get Friend to Animals to get Daeran's CHA as sacred bonus to mount's saves as lvl 11 Mystery.
6. Get Nature's Whispers as lvl 15 Mystery to replace DEX > CHA for his AC calculations.

Just put him on the dog and watch how dog goes on the murder-tripping spree.

You could probably turn Daeran into a plant at lvl 20 for all those nice immunities, but I had not tested last Nature Revelation yet.

 

[Shadenuat]

Just put him on the dog

Isn't that your answer to everything?

You could probably turn Daeran into a plant

Well that would solve all the sass.

But sounds cool, I'd pick a some noble looking horse though. He could tittup around and cast spells too. My little prince.

 

[The_Mask]

Dogs are awesome, okay?

 

[Shadenuat]

Dogs are awesome, okay?

I will not argue this.

 

[Daidre]

Well, smilodon's natural attacks were fixed now so I could go back to my favorite murdercats too.

 

[Nerevar]

Do NOT recruit troops when you go back to Kenabres they will be stuck on the city map and give you infinite loading screens when you try to leave.

Anyone else had this?