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[smaug]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...iFTbYu014404RNTFim_hkX2D2lVn6e8p8hyBr/pubhtml

I’m using a slightly modified version cause this one wasn’t built correctly on certain levels. But it’s basically a front liner death knight with DR/15 as soon as you become lich who uses lich buffs+cleaving with 30+STR and such. Pretty cool so far.

Jesus Christ, what is this supposed to be?

"Yeah guys, let's ban Desiderius, we don't need him".

Next thing you know, after less than a week people are posting Eldritch Knight builds that get to EK 10 at character level 19.

What’s the problem?

I am assuming this build wants to go armored caster. In this case better get armor prof from hellknight signifer and get sorc from lvl1. The strength of melee lich with EK is you maintain full spellcasting prog this way. These 4 fighter levels are super weird.

Probably, I don’t know how to build and combo stuff yet so this will act as a gateway to be able to make more advanced builds (Not planning on another playthrough anyway so idk)

 

[Efe]

I'm glad desiderius didnt live to see this build posted

 

[Sharpedge]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...iFTbYu014404RNTFim_hkX2D2lVn6e8p8hyBr/pubhtml

I’m using a slightly modified version cause this one wasn’t built correctly on certain levels. But it’s basically a front liner death knight with DR/15 as soon as you become lich who uses lich buffs+cleaving with 30+STR and such. Pretty cool so far.

Jesus Christ, what is this supposed to be?

"Yeah guys, let's ban Desiderius, we don't need him".

Next thing you know, after less than a week people are posting Eldritch Knight builds that get to EK 10 at character level 19.

Going Eldritch Knight with a Sorcerer is already painful because (a) you need more Sorcerer levels to get to level 3 spells, and (b) the first EK level makes you lose another CL, further delaying your progression. Going Dragon Disciple makes you lose ANOTHER level, so you're now 3 levels behind a regular Wizard... and for what? A +4 to Strength and a +2 to natural AC?

You haven't seen anything yet. Just wait till you see people posting builds with 6 different dips on a lich sorc to stack natural attacks. If you like I can introduce you to this abomination.

 

[Stoned Ape]

Give me an idea for a Hellknight Signifier, people.

Lich or Aeon, probably.

Aeon:

Human. LG/LN/LE

A Warrior background (any will do, probably Guard is best)

Wizard 6
Eldritch Knight 10
Signifer 4

INT 19, STR 14, DEX & CON 12 or higher.

1st Level feats: Arcane armour training & Martial Weapons proficiency.

Go from there how you want, really.

Lich:

Half Elf Kindred Raised. LE

Get a warrior background and arcane armour training at 1st level.

Sorcerer 10 (Might as well go Undead bloodline)
Signifer 10

CHA 21, other attributes as you wish.

 

[Rusty Eyes]

Give me an idea for a Hellknight Signifier, people.

Lich or Aeon, probably.

Aeon:

Human. LG/LN/LE

A Warrior background (any will do, probably Guard is best)

Wizard 6
Eldritch Knight 10
Signifer 4

INT 19, STR 14, DEX & CON 12 or higher.

1st Level feats: Arcane armour training & Martial Weapons proficiency.

Go from there how you want, really.

Lich:

Half Elf Kindred Raised. LE

Get a warrior background and arcane armour training at 1st level.

Sorcerer 10 (Might as well go Undead bloodline)
Signifer 10

CHA 21, other attributes as you wish.

Why only 4 levels in Signifier?

 

[smaug]

How do I

Spoiler

Reanimate Staunton Vaune? I’m a lich and choose the option but I can’t do anything.

?

 

[Stoned Ape]

Why only 4 levels in Signifier?

90% of the value of Signifer comes from the first 3 levels, 4th is worth it in this case for the extra point of BAB without a dip elsewhere.

That character will get +16 BAB, 0% spell fail in mithral full plate, 19th level casting and Eldritch Knight Proc on crit.

If you add more Signifer, you have to sacrifice Eldritch Knight BAB and drop below 16 which loses an attack.

 

[ArchAngel]

She is level 9 now, she has a spell penetration (probably doesn't work, because Evil Eye is a Hex and not a spell? dunno...), and I've continued only her prior proffession. No multiclass. Though the text "Will save reduces to only one round", I didn't see that, thanks!!

I don't understand - using a good DEX melee character as a bad offensive caster - is it just because you are different? A rebel in our herd of sheep?

Seriously, is it so difficult to put a round peg into a round hole?

She's a full caster with a more than decent spell list. You can do basically anything you want with her. I mean, with Ear Piercing Scream, Arrow of Law, Searing Light, Sacred Nimbus, Blade Barrier, Hellfire Ray, Stormbolts, and Fire Storm, she can even make for an half-decent evocation blaster.

Not worth it. She has Bless, Barkskin and Magic Armor. She is better as support caster and secondary melee with Power and Dex to damage feat or mythic ability. Also her Bane ability is completely OP. Gives your melee attacks a 2d6 or 4d6 bonus damage vs any enemy.

 

[ArchAngel]

Does a lich works better with a caster or a melee character?

Both work pretty well, I'm using a melee Lich right now and it works pretty nicely. I was going to make a Lich cavalier but undead mounts are trash so I abandoned that idea. The Lich spellbook is fucking great though and I plan on eventually making a caster Lich for a future playthrough. I had a lot of fun with Repurpose in the beta and from what I've seen it still works the same way in the full game. You can kill a strong enemy or even some bosses with it and then have it follow you around and help you fight.

How does it work exactly? I tried to cast it on someone, then killed that target with another companion and nothing happened... do you need to kill the target with that spell?
Once you get this follower how long does it last and how many can you have at same time?

 

[Shadenuat]

Give me an idea for a Hellknight Signifier, people.

Mine is only in theorycrafting stage and it's a roleplaying build, but basically Hag Witch + Scourge for -12 will.

 

[Cyberarmy]

How do I

Spoiler

Reanimate Staunton Vaune? I’m a lich and choose the option but I can’t do anything.

?

You need to build a ziggurat first and build pillar of skulls inside.

 

[NJClaw]

What’s the problem?

It's not like there's any major problem with that, especially considering that I played a very similar character in Kingmaker (and I will probably play it again in WotR later down the line). I just wanted to point out that a build like that would have probably caused a mini-stroke in our favorite and recently virtually-departed friend. So maybe, in a way, it's better he's no longer here to see what we've become.

My only real criticism is that, since Spell Critical is the only privilege of the Eldritch Knight, one should try to get to it as soon as possible to fully experience the class. This usually means going Wizard 5/EK 10 or Fighter 1/Wizard 5/EK 10. Getting to the last EK level at character level 19 means that you will play with what makes your class unique only for the last two levels of your playthrough, which usually don't last very long (but maybe I'm wrong here, I haven't reached that point yet).

I don't know how retraining works with mythic levels and prestige class' requirements, but maybe it's possible to use your merged spellbook to satisfy EK's requirement with a weird build like Fighter 2/Sorcerer 4, thanks to your increased CL. You would still get a gimped CL compared to a full caster, but at least you'll get to EK 10 by level 16 (just like a pure Sorcerer would).

You haven't seen anything yet. Just wait till you see people posting builds with 6 different dips on a lich sorc to stack natural attacks. If you like I can introduce you to this abomination.

I'd prefer to remain a virgin on this particular topic, but I can't handle being teased and now my curiosity is killing me...

 

[Delterius]

never sacrifice spell progression bros. its the best.

 

[smaug]

What’s the problem?

It's not like there's any major problem with that, especially considering that I played a very similar character in Kingmaker (and I will probably play it again in WotR later down the line). I just wanted to point out that a build like that would have probably caused a mini-stroke in our favorite and recently virtually-departed friend. So maybe, in a way, it's better he's no longer here to see what we've become.

My only real criticism is that, since Spell Critical is the only privilege of the Eldritch Knight, one should try to get to it as soon as possible to fully experience the class. This usually means going Wizard 5/EK 10 or Fighter 1/Wizard 5/EK 10. Getting to the last EK level at character level 19 means that you will play with what makes your class unique only for the last two levels of your playthrough, which usually don't last very long (but maybe I'm wrong here, I haven't reached that point yet).

I don't know how retraining works with mythic levels and prestige class' requirements, but maybe it's possible to use your merged spellbook to satisfy EK's requirement with a weird build like Fighter 2/Sorcerer 4, thanks to your increased CL. You would still get a gimped CL compared to a full caster, but at least you'll get to EK 10 by level 16 (just like a pure Sorcerer would).

Okay, I wouldn’t know how to build it lol. Dunno if I will respec or not, also why would desierdieous care?

 

[Cyberarmy]

the last two levels of your playthrough, which usually don't last very long (but maybe I'm wrong here, I haven't reached that point yet).

You hit 20 easly even before last part. I played most of last act as 20 th level party.

 

[Delterius]

also why would desierdieous care?

the -erius work in mysterious ways

 

[smaug]

How do I

Spoiler

Reanimate Staunton Vaune? I’m a lich and choose the option but I can’t do anything.

?

You need to build a ziggurat first and build pillar of skulls inside.

How do you build a ziggurat?

 

[Shadenuat]

Get a warrior background and arcane armour training at 1st level

why
you can select arcane training without actual armor feat.
Sig gives you heavy.

 

[Stoned Ape]

Why only 4 levels in Signifier?

You could also try something like this (not fully buffed, needs Seamantle, Haste, defensive fighting w/crane style and Premonition on tip, so I think about 67 or so + wings... been a while since I played this character).

Last level is Sorcerer 17 for +2 STR from Abyssal, and another +4 to all physical attributes from a better belt.

 

[Sharpedge]

Allow me to introduce you to that abomination I was talking about.

I would need to go digging through his twitch channel history to find the actual build though. If I remember correctly though it has 6 dips.

 

[Delterius]

my main character is daeran with an i

this lack of autism disgusts me

 

[Shadenuat]

Allow me to introduce you to that abomination I was talking about

Solo builds aren't for normal play.

 

[Sharpedge]

Allow me to introduce you to that abomination I was talking about

Solo builds aren't for normal play.

I know they aren't, but this is the type of build that would set off our recently departed forum member.

 

[Shadenuat]

It also feeds into wrong perception that solo is harder and you need to be good at it, while reality is backwards: overleveling gives you flat math advantage over 90% of content in such games, thus making most content trivial, aside from some places developers specifically intended for you to have multiple party members.

 

[S.H.O.D.A.N.]

Allow me to introduce you to that abomination I was talking about.

I would need to go digging through his twitch channel history to find the actual build though. If I remember correctly though it has 6 dips.

I think I need an adult to explain to me what the actual fuck is happening in this video.