Pathfinder Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous Pre-DLC Thread [GO TO NEW THREAD]

[Sharpedge]

I'm going to visit Blackwater later today or tomorrow and I swear to God if it's not as hard as everyone is saying I'm going to shit all over this entire thread. If those supposedly invincible enemies can go down with Grease, Glitterdust, or Shout I'm going on a destructive rampage here.

You can do all of the above and its more or less how I dealt with the place when I was doing a group playthrough. Before they nerfed blackwater however, it was painful to do it solo, simply because the only method you had to overcome their regen was coup, unless you happened to be proficient in dwarvern war axes or glaives since those are the only adamantine weapons. Waiting until you land the coup hit on something like 100 enemies was exceedingly tedious.

 

[Stoned Ape]

I'm going to visit Blackwater later today or tomorrow and I swear to God if it's not as hard as everyone is saying I'm going to shit all over this entire thread. If those supposedly invincible enemies can go down with Grease, Glitterdust, or Shout I'm going on a destructive rampage here.

I didn't find it that difficult, just very, very tedious.

 

[NJClaw]

You can do all of the above

Then why the fuck is everyone complaining that it's impossible to hit the enemies when you can blind them, stun them, and get them prone? Do people expect to play this game without ever using a spell?

 

[smaug]

You can do all of the above

Then why the fuck is everyone complaining that it's impossible to hit the enemies when you can blind them, stun them, and get them prone? Do people expect to play this game without ever using a spell?

DC saves for enemies (I haven’t visited blackwater) have such high DC’s unless you’re focusing one school with proper dc gear you can’t do anything to enemies regardless.

 

[Dishonoredbr]

Urgathoa be praised.

Playing as Follower of Urgathoa is great. I just got in the

Spoiler

Abyss and first reactivy is mentioning that Urgathoa kinda likes the Abyss even if it's far way from her domain

 

[LannTheStupid]

Urgathoa gives Scythe, though. I prefer someone who gives a finessable weapon...

 

[Sharpedge]

You can do all of the above

Then why the fuck is everyone complaining that it's impossible to hit the enemies when you can blind them, stun them, and get them prone? Do people expect to play this game without ever using a spell?

DC saves for enemies (I haven’t visited blackwater) have such high DC’s unless you’re focusing one school with proper dc gear you can’t do anything to enemies regardless.

Nenio can easily get her DCs high enough for blackwater. There is a crapton of gear which exists for the sole purpose of increasing her DCs, its not like there isn't support for an illusionist. If your MC is a caster its even easier.

 

[Cyberarmy]

Then why the fuck is everyone complaining that it's impossible to hit the enemies when you can blind them, stun them, and get them prone? Do people expect to play this game without ever using a spell?

They need to "git gud" tm. Ember cleared that place alone with fire and ligtning. And that was before that place got nerfed, twice.

 

[Delterius]

leads to the end of reality

y tho? Plenty of immortal beings on other planes.

The other planes are why the world ends. If the material plane turns into something akin to the Shadow Plane where everything is undeath and eternal then the fundamental forces of the cosmos start a war over the source of creation. That is why Pharasma created the River of Souls and why the original Gods set up the covenant with mortals. If mortals have the freedom to choose then souls are sent to every plane in accordance to that choice. If there are no more mortals then the inevitable Godswar leads to Rovagug being freed too soon or whatever. It's the difference between Urgathoans and Urgathoa. The former are hunted by Pharasmites and pretty much any good aligned person in Golarion. The latter still receives her just rewards from Pharasma's Court. Undeath is a fundamental force of the cosmos. And it must be contained, like all the others.

 

[Rieser]

So is it possible to respec as one of the late game paths yet, or is it still fucked?

Alternatively, is it possible using a mod?

 

[smaug]

You can do all of the above

Then why the fuck is everyone complaining that it's impossible to hit the enemies when you can blind them, stun them, and get them prone? Do people expect to play this game without ever using a spell?

DC saves for enemies (I haven’t visited blackwater) have such high DC’s unless you’re focusing one school with proper dc gear you can’t do anything to enemies regardless.

Nenio can easily get her DCs high enough for blackwater. There is a crapton of gear which exists for the sole purpose of increasing her DCs, its not like there isn't support for an illusionist. If your MC is a caster its even easier.

Wasn’t talking about blackwater.

 

[panda]

You can do all of the above

Then why the fuck is everyone complaining that it's impossible to hit the enemies when you can blind them, stun them, and get them prone? Do people expect to play this game without ever using a spell?

DC saves for enemies (I haven’t visited blackwater) have such high DC’s unless you’re focusing one school with proper dc gear you can’t do anything to enemies regardless.

Nenio can easily get her DCs high enough... There is a crapton of gear which exists for the sole purpose of increasing her DCs, its not like there isn't support for an illusionist. If your MC is a caster its even easier.

Also, -4 to saves from dead eye, -2 from shaken, -2 from that glove which buffs quarry and you'll have decent chances even without uber specialization.

 

[LannTheStupid]

So is it possible to respec as one of the late game paths yet, or is it still fucked?

Alternatively, is it possible using a mod?

You have to consider your game save corrupted after the respec, and that this corruption will not be detectable for unknown period of time. If you're lucky, then you will finish the game. If you're not, you will get stuck somewhere several hours after the respec.

If you understand that, then respec.

 

[Delterius]

So is it possible to respec as one of the late game paths yet, or is it still fucked?

Alternatively, is it possible using a mod?

You have to consider your game save corrupted after the respec, and that this corrpuption will not be detectable for unknown period of time. If you're lucky, then you will finish the game. If you're not, you will get stuck somewhere several hours after the respec.

If you understand that, then respec.

now imagine how i feel since i was planning to respec twice as part of my build

 

[LannTheStupid]

now imagine how i feel since i was planning to respec twice as part of my build

As a boomer, I like to plan my build in a text file first, and then go with the flow. There is always the next playthrough.

Works even for builds borrowed from InEffect.

 

[Cryomancer]

Respec = Decline.

Simple as that. Stuck with your decisions.

 

[NJClaw]

You can do all of the above

Then why the fuck is everyone complaining that it's impossible to hit the enemies when you can blind them, stun them, and get them prone? Do people expect to play this game without ever using a spell?

DC saves for enemies (I haven’t visited blackwater) have such high DC’s unless you’re focusing one school with proper dc gear you can’t do anything to enemies regardless.

Excuse me, but what's your point? Sure, to have the best chance to land your spells you need to build your character in an appropriate way... isn't that expected from a combat-focused RPG, especially on higher difficulties? I've built Nenio as a Conjuration/Evocation specialist (with Greater Spell Focus and Expanded Arsenal) and, after the prologue, so far (I think I'm near the end of Chapter 3) I think I fought three enemies in total with high enough saves to actually resist her spells. Her Persistent Heightened Greases, Glitterdust, and Shouts have ridiculed every single boss and mini-boss so far.

 

[Delterius]

Respec = Decline.

Simple as that. Stuck with your decisions.

my decision is to respec from wizard-rogue-arcane trickster into wizard-arcane trickster via trickster's inherent sneak dice. thats pretty decisiony.

 

[Parabalus]

I'm going to visit Blackwater later today or tomorrow and I swear to God if it's not as hard as everyone is saying I'm going to shit all over this entire thread. If those supposedly invincible enemies can go down with Grease, Glitterdust, or Shout I'm going on a destructive rampage here.

Depends when in A3 you hit it, if after Lab and other areas it's not that bad. If you do it the first thing in A3 it's a ride.

 

[Sharpedge]

Respec = Decline.

Simple as that. Stuck with your decisions.

my decision is to respec from wizard-rogue-arcane trickster into wizard-arcane trickster via trickster's inherent sneak dice. thats pretty decisiony.

You could just go 9 levels wizard then get the trickster's sneak attack dice at level 9, then take levels in AT.

 

[Parabalus]

Respec = Decline.

Simple as that. Stuck with your decisions.

Not when half the class features are bugged to shit. Start with a cavalier, but charge is buggy as fuck?

Mash that respec button.

 

[Rieser]

So is it possible to respec as one of the late game paths yet, or is it still fucked?

Alternatively, is it possible using a mod?

You have to consider your game save corrupted after the respec, and that this corrpuption will not be detectable for unknown period of time. If you're lucky, then you will finish the game. If you're not, you will get stuck somewhere several hours after the respec.

If you understand that, then respec.

Unfortunate. I was planning on going 20/20 in two classes as Legend, but I stupidly dipped three levels earlier in a class I've no intention of following through with. Have to make do with 17 levels then, I suppose.

 

[NJClaw]

Respec = Decline.

Simple as that. Stuck with your decisions.

my decision is to respec from wizard-rogue-arcane trickster into wizard-arcane trickster via trickster's inherent sneak dice. thats pretty decisiony.

You could just go 9 levels wizard then get the trickster's sneak attack dice at level 9, then take levels in AT.

Not very Trickstery of you to respect prestige classes' requirements in a standard legal way.

Embrace the Trickster way, game the system.

 

[LannTheStupid]

my decision is to respec from wizard-rogue-arcane trickster into wizard-arcane trickster via trickster's inherent sneak dice. thats pretty decisiony.

Does it remove the necessary rogue dip? If yes, and you're going to respec to Arcane trickster retroactively, then I would call it cheating.

Which is absolutely OK.

 

[Delterius]

Respec = Decline.

Simple as that. Stuck with your decisions.

my decision is to respec from wizard-rogue-arcane trickster into wizard-arcane trickster via trickster's inherent sneak dice. thats pretty decisiony.

You could just go 9 levels wizard then get the trickster's sneak attack dice at level 9, then take levels in AT.

and reach the AT capstone at level 19. plus i like that the character would play more or less the same from the start, recovering a caster level when I reach Trickster's first mythic rank. plus I also plan to spec into Perception Trick 2, grab the metamagic feat, and respec out of it. because every other power associated with perception trick is useless.

Trickster is the respec mythic.