Pathfinder Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous Pre-DLC Thread [GO TO NEW THREAD]

[smaug]

So many combinations I want to play the game with… ahh fuck, might have to do another play through with custom companions and just skip companion content

 

[Jinn]

The way you level up your generals reminds me of Disciples. Ironically Owlcat has made me more nostalgic for Disciples, than the actual announcement for the new Disciples game.

That sounds pretty cool to me. Is the crusader stuff really as bad as some around here have made it out to be? I was kind of looking forward to that part.

 

[Darkwind]

I think Kingmaker also had better alignment choices, at least for evil characters. So far a lot of the evil choices are a little too over-the-top and cartoonish. There's no social maneuvering to it. If there's an Evil option it'll likely be either an outright attack or something like "I'LL SKULLFUCK YOUR DEAD MOTHER." You'd think they'd want to make this a lot more fleshed out since you can go down Mythic paths like Lich or Devil. The choices aren't like, "well that's a pretty dickhead thing to do, but I see the point of it" but more of, "what an asshole."

This was my great disappointment with the demon path when I tried it in the beta. They went for always angry, all the time which is fine but I hoped that a tragic hero type would also be possible. Maybe devil will fill that niche (though I doubt it), but fuck being a cosmic merchant.

I doubt they will nail any nuance on Lawful-Evil / Devil whatsoever. But that being said... demon sort of should be what an asshole. They are pure distilled chaotic evil and rage filled at all times. They would take great joy in causing suffering for the lulz at every possible turn even if there is no material gain from doing so. Devils are much more chill / complex by comparison.

 

[The_Mask]

That sounds pretty cool to me. Is the crusader stuff really as bad as some around here have made it out to be? I was kind of looking forward to that part.

So far it is manageable. And clearly not the focus of the game. Just something to make you feel like an actual commander.

N.B.: I'm very slow and meticulous when I play. I read every line. And I carefully move my pieces. And I've just started Chapter 2.
As a consequence, there might be surprises later on. I'll post as my opinion evolves.

 

[Desiderius]

The way you level up your generals reminds me of Disciples. Ironically Owlcat has made me more nostalgic for Disciples, than the actual announcement for the new Disciples game.

That sounds pretty cool to me. Is the crusader stuff really as bad as some around here have made it out to be? I was kind of looking forward to that part.

I’m really enjoying it. It’s come a long way. Nothing fancy but pretty solid at this point. Decent amount of strategic depth.

Same thing people did with P:K. Sucked because they hated it and hated it because they sucked.

 

[Sarkile]

In what chapter did Arue's quest crash for you? Chapter 3 or 4?

3. 4 is in the abyss.

I think Kingmaker also had better alignment choices, at least for evil characters. So far a lot of the evil choices are a little too over-the-top and cartoonish. There's no social maneuvering to it. If there's an Evil option it'll likely be either an outright attack or something like "I'LL SKULLFUCK YOUR DEAD MOTHER." You'd think they'd want to make this a lot more fleshed out since you can go down Mythic paths like Lich or Devil. The choices aren't like, "well that's a pretty dickhead thing to do, but I see the point of it" but more of, "what an asshole."

Yep.

In some games, I just can't do evil things. In Gothic 3, I never finished a Beliar side run cuz killing water mages which helped me and I liked then since G1 and even installed returning to play as one...

In Kingmaker, even when I play as evil, I avoid doing evil things to my own party. In this game, I just don't care, in fact enjoy doing evil things to most companions.


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If someone is curious about the last undead summon for Liches >

Yes, a undead dragon. But I reloaded my save and will play without the lich transformation, In fact, I will probably kill the guy who wanna make me a lich.

You've been doing almost nothing but fapping to the Lich path for the past several months. What changed?

 

[Voids]

Still in chpt 1. I would dump Lann if he wasn't such a fucking destroyer. He's easily my least favorite companion. I think my first merc buy will be a fighter who can stand on the front line and just cleave his way through shit.

 

[Cryomancer]

You've been doing almost nothing but fapping to the Lich path for the past several months. What changed?

I like lich MP due the spells, SLA and other stuff that you can do but the lich transformation itself is very lackluster.

• Undeads should get the undead traits. Immunity to critical, no CON score(...), you don't get it
• The "benefits" of undeath which transformation gives, you already gain by being a dhampir(like healing from neg energy)
• I treasure immersion too much and having a pure bone guy using cruoromancer's blood infusion breaks my suspension of disbelief. Is awful. Creatures without blood(incorporeal, liches, etc) should't be able to use this class feature.
• The portrait for Lich is amazing but the model itself isn't.
• I will not spoil what happens after you get the transformation, but think a little. IF you own a lich's phylactery, you can demand anything for him in exchange for it.
• I always prefered other types of undeads. I always loved more vampires over liches, shadows over skeletons and so on.

Ideally, instead of a Lich path, we should have a "undead path", with vampires, shadow, mummies and liches to chose.

 

[Riddler]

So after creating my character, I gotta say that I kinda miss rolling for stats. Right now, my virgin arcanist has trouble lifting his crossbow with his 7 strength, while chad bhaalspawn wizard could even handle a spare ankheg shell with his godly body.

You can always take the Bulgar-pill!

 

[Alienman]

Ok, I'm second floor in Gwerm's house, how the hell do I protect from the sneak attack, it usually oneshots my fighters or gets me close to zero health.

Grease is the solution to everything

 

[smaug]

Where is Ramien at? They changed his alpha location and the market is now backwards so now I can’t find him even though I’ve backtracked.

 

[The_Mask]

Same place, in front of the Temple of Desna. It's just I think he's bugged to always go invis, so you constantly have to pass a perception check to see him. Or just run into him.

 

[Non-Edgy Gamer]

Ideally, instead of a Lich path, we should have a "undead path", with vampires, shadow, mummies and liches to chose.

You can still go Swarm later though, right?

 

[Non-Edgy Gamer]

Where is Ramien at?

Lying in a pool of his own blood in the market center.

 

[Cryomancer]

Ideally, instead of a Lich path, we should have a "undead path", with vampires, shadow, mummies and liches to chose.

You can still go Swarm later though, right?

Swarm is amazing for martial classes. Not for casters.

 

[Reinhardt]

Cleave feels gud.

>rat swarm is immune to cleave
>rat swarm dies

I'm just that good. REGEND OF SAMURAI!

 

[Reinhardt]

btw why people play with companions if they don't like them? Just hire mercenaries?

not enough cash yet

Yeah, making you pay 4500 per merc is just stupid. What's the gameplay rational for this? It's not like you can ever have more than a set amount of characters in your party. I think the devs just want to punish players for not picking their shitty companions.

You are asking them to charge into the middle of almost lost war against the demon horde. No, seriously, nigger, you are so petty and cheap. No merc worth his price would deal with you anyway.

 

[Karwelas]

The way you level up your generals reminds me of Disciples. Ironically Owlcat has made me more nostalgic for Disciples, than the actual announcement for the new Disciples game.

That sounds pretty cool to me. Is the crusader stuff really as bad as some around here have made it out to be? I was kind of looking forward to that part.

I’m really enjoying it. It’s come a long way. Nothing fancy but pretty solid at this point. Decent amount of strategic depth.

Same thing people did with P:K. Sucked because they hated it and hated it because they sucked.

Man, I'm sure it fucking is with some of demon commanders having 1-strike spell stack killing thunder bolts. Or game breaking bug of Banner of Defence in Chapter 3 which tanks your morale to -100 in no time. Or the fact they got shitton feedback and didn't include Crusade difficulty slider in and made it retarded from pretty good build of Beta 2. Mhm.

 

[Reinhardt]

Is there any reason to play a fighter over a paladin?

I'm playing 2h fighter and it's gud. No mumbo-jumbo, just good old cold steel greatsword and she just 1-2 everything that moves. Demons, cultists, swarms - just stains on the floor.

 

[The_Mask]

Awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww...

Spoiler

 

[FreeKaner]

Anyone past the beta chapters yet? I am really afraid I'll invest 40 hours into this game and hit a wall of bugs after.

 

[FreeKaner]

Boy, don't roll a mage. Combat on core so far have been a pain since nobody can carry the weak mages and it seems all I get from the companions is some form of mage like class that dies so as soon a demon looks at them.

I have been surprised at how powerful melee classes are, I am level 4 on my slayer and using a glaive. I just hit for 40+ regularly already. The only good mage I have so far is woljif and that's because he also deals a lot of melee damage via sneak attack.

I am a mage hater in DND but it really seems like they are basically cripples here till level 7 at the very least.

 

[Cryomancer]

Anyone past the beta chapters yet? I am really afraid I'll invest 40 hours into this game and hit a wall of bugs after.

I. Reached chapter 5 recently; it is just too hard. As for bugs, I found two "major" ones. The exit icon din't appeared in ch 2 and I had to reload thousands of times till it appeared and could't escape Arueshalae's dream(side quest) in ch 3.

I am a mage hater in DND but it really seems like they are basically cripples here till level 7 at the very least.

Yep. Till lv 7, magic users are awful in this game. They need at least animate dead and stoneskin to be decent.

 

[FreeKaner]

Like seriously, at level 4 I am doing 52 damage on crits when I roll a 1 on my base damage rolls right now.

I am not sure if it is just pathfinder ruleset because I don't remember casters being this bad early on kingmaker? Maybe it is because of the type of enemies you face. Rather than masses of humans you have to deal with high HP demons.

Grease is still extremely useful so you still need at least one caster but still.

 

[Grauken]

I don't see most characters taking on spiderlady after the revelation (tm). She's obviously deranged and untrustworthy even if you are playing as an evil character. There has to be some kind of video game writer summit in which the problem of evil characters/companions is discussed and regulated because it's ridiculous.

She will remain completely loyal if you're worth it.

I'm sure of that, but the problem is that you don't know this unless you take her with you. Why would you do this, however? She

Spoiler

is a traitor, eats human flesh, lures children to be eaten or converted, admits to wanting to kill/backstab a life-long companion (Lann), and fights you at the boss battle.

Who would say to themselves "yeap, she's trustworthy alright" after that? Maybe an evil character can take her in chains and use magic/drugs or intimidation in order to control her, but that's a stupid decision imo. She hasn't even proven herself to be a very competent fighter either.

She only ate human flesh once, that really doesn't count. The rest she did to amass strength at all cost, something anybody sane trying to organize an army to fight literal hell spawn can relate to. The choice for her was obvious