Pedophile threads on codex

[Hell Swarm]

While I am all in favor of getting rid of Dark Souls II because he is either a pervert or - far more likely - a very bad troll, I do find the moralfagging of users like Hell Swarm suspicious as well. This is the codex where opinions are tolerated that would otherwise be called racist, sexist, transphobic, homophobic, retarded and generally in poor taste but we are supposed to draw the line at discussions about the age of consent? This is very questionable and the moral fervor of him and some other posters who frequently insult others as pedophiles despite little to no evidence leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

Those things are not comparable. Races are different, sexes are different, mental illness doesn't change reality and poor taste is still acceptable. Actively promoting wanting to have sex with children is not some objective thing you can discuss. They are not physically developed enough for it and it causes serious bodily harm to them. Any one promoting it is doing it because they actively want to promote the idea and are a danger to children. It's not like they're arguing it should be 16 or something like many European countries have and you could have a debate on. It always involves much younger children and that's why it's a problem.

Many of us have a history on places like 4chan and 8ch. We pay attention to websites that allow free speech and we've noticed a pattern. A small group of users join the sites and argue "If I can't post lolicon and discuss lowering the age of consent (usually finger pointing feminism) then we don't have free speech here". Any one who disagrees with it is called a normalfag and they will double down and post more threads and more lolicon until they have completely subverted the place. No one wants to hang around pedophiles, and pedophiles know this and use the weakness of free speech moderation to drive user bases off of websites and turn them into recruiting grounds. If that's some glowie tactic or just the natural flow of degenerates I don't know, but it's a common pattern and you can see it starting to happen on Codex. It's not a natural discussion and it is a problem that's being used to harm free speech websites because it forces everyone there to tolerate something intolerable or leave entirely back to heavily censored websites.

Eventually the staff have to pick between the normal users and the pedophiles and trying to character assassinate the person saying they see the cancer setting in here doesn't change that. It only raises questions as to why they think someone suggesting they want to fuck pre-teens is a valuable poster worth defending when they post that sort of thing (and they have the shit poster tag so it's clearly not for their posting quality). Saying you can't discuss videos about a topic, but the topic it's self is fine simply doesn't make sense as a rule. And suggesting the rule be updated to ban all discussion of underage sex (outside of it being relevant to the context of a game, where it is on topic and isn't promoting it IRL) seems a simple way to chemo the cancer and keep the rules consistent in their intent. I don't disagree with the topic being discussed and countries reconsidering their laws to keep up with the changing culture technology has brought. I disagree with it being used as a weapon against a RPG forum, where it servers no purpose except to drive a wedge between users and encourage child abusers to feel welcome here. I value being able to say nigger, faggot, tranny and all the other fun words we all like to throw around here. I don't value creating a safe space for child molesters to be encouraged and recruite similar people.

 

[Skinwalker]

The one thing we've learned from this thread is that Crispy is extremely useless.

Not for the first time, either. Or the second. Or tenth. The guy just mysteriously "fails" to do anything about blatant, obvious, egregious rules-breaking content reported by multiple people in numerous ways. Over and over again. Until Dunderlord has to step in and do the work for him.

It's like (Crispy) might as well not have any moderator privileges whatsoever.

 

[Necrensha]

I was going to write a very long list of things and places that I've seen destroyed by loliposting, but I think I will simply agree with Hell Swarm that you either cut it by the root as fast as possible or enjoy the eventual consequences.

 

[Melcar]

The Lolidex

 

[Haba]

Guys, please don't lolipost or BosanskiSeljak might leave forever.

 

[Tarkleigh]

While I am all in favor of getting rid of Dark Souls II because he is either a pervert or - far more likely - a very bad troll, I do find the moralfagging of users like Hell Swarm suspicious as well. This is the codex where opinions are tolerated that would otherwise be called racist, sexist, transphobic, homophobic, retarded and generally in poor taste but we are supposed to draw the line at discussions about the age of consent? This is very questionable and the moral fervor of him and some other posters who frequently insult others as pedophiles despite little to no evidence leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

Those things are not comparable. Races are different, sexes are different, mental illness doesn't change reality and poor taste is still acceptable. Actively promoting wanting to have sex with children is not some objective thing you can discuss. They are not physically developed enough for it and it causes serious bodily harm to them. Any one promoting it is doing it because they actively want to promote the idea and are a danger to children. It's not like they're arguing it should be 16 or something like many European countries have and you could have a debate on. It always involves much younger children and that's why it's a problem.

Many of us have a history on places like 4chan and 8ch. We pay attention to websites that allow free speech and we've noticed a pattern. A small group of users join the sites and argue "If I can't post lolicon and discuss lowering the age of consent (usually finger pointing feminism) then we don't have free speech here". Any one who disagrees with it is called a normalfag and they will double down and post more threads and more lolicon until they have completely subverted the place. No one wants to hang around pedophiles, and pedophiles know this and use the weakness of free speech moderation to drive user bases off of websites and turn them into recruiting grounds. If that's some glowie tactic or just the natural flow of degenerates I don't know, but it's a common pattern and you can see it starting to happen on Codex. It's not a natural discussion and it is a problem that's being used to harm free speech websites because it forces everyone there to tolerate something intolerable or leave entirely back to heavily censored websites.

Eventually the staff have to pick between the normal users and the pedophiles and trying to character assassinate the person saying they see the cancer setting in here doesn't change that. It only raises questions as to why they think someone suggesting they want to fuck pre-teens is a valuable poster worth defending when they post that sort of thing (and they have the shit poster tag so it's clearly not for their posting quality). Saying you can't discuss videos about a topic, but the topic it's self is fine simply doesn't make sense as a rule. And suggesting the rule be updated to ban all discussion of underage sex (outside of it being relevant to the context of a game, where it is on topic and isn't promoting it IRL) seems a simple way to chemo the cancer and keep the rules consistent in their intent. I don't disagree with the topic being discussed and countries reconsidering their laws to keep up with the changing culture technology has brought. I disagree with it being used as a weapon against a RPG forum, where it servers no purpose except to drive a wedge between users and encourage child abusers to feel welcome here. I value being able to say nigger, faggot, tranny and all the other fun words we all like to throw around here. I don't value creating a safe space for child molesters to be encouraged and recruite similar people.

First of all, I am quite aware that sexual abuse is bad for children and that it is rightfully criminalized in almost all countries, thank you very much. The problem with you and the posters like you is your all-or-nothing thinking. Everyone that does something you don't like is a pedo, even if the user just has the wrong avatar, does not show enough enthusiasm when you complain about (real or imagined) pedophiles in the Codex or thinks that your strategy to tackle this problem is wrong. This is annoying and a danger to free discussion on the forum.

Now, obviously, posting or discussing child porn is forbidden as per the rules of the Codex and I trust DU and others to enforce this as they see fit. When it comes to discussions about the age of consent, it strongly depends on which age we are talking about. I assume you are American given that you think 16 is a low age of consent and this might explain part of the problem. The age of consent is 14 in Germany and many other European countries and if someone came around and would suggest that it should be 13, I see no reason why this would be an undefendable position even if I would consider it to be quite low (for reference, the lowest age of consent in the world is 11 which is lower than I would be comfortable with). But I am quite sure that suggesting an age of consent of 14 would already label a user a pedo in your book.

While I agree that most posters - myself included - would not feel comfortable on a board filled with pedophiles, there is also the danger of users curtailing free speech in the name of morality. And to be honest, while a user like Dark Souls II is annoying (and a bad troll), you and the users like you are not doing much for the Codex either.

 

[0sacred]

wouldn't be a great thread without a German lecturing you on liberty and free speech

 

[Apostle Hand]

scholars have explained that watching underage pornography minimizes actual real life attack on kids

 

[Frank Capicoli]

The problem with you and the posters like you is your all-or-nothing thinking. Everyone that does something you don't like is a pedo, even if the user just has the wrong avatar, does not show enough enthusiasm when you complain about (real or imagined) pedophiles in the Codex or thinks that your strategy to tackle this problem is wrong. This is annoying and a danger to free discussion on the forum.

Examples are even in this thread. One wants to ban the hentai general discussion thread despite 0 loli and another wants to remove the jrpg subforum because Japan just really makes him butthurt.

 

[Fedora Master]

scholars have explained that watching underage pornography minimizes actual real life attack on kids

No they haven't but feel free to post the studies.

 

[luj1]

wouldn't be a great thread without a German lecturing you on liberty and free speech

Liberty and free speech is what got us into this mess lol

 

[Apostle Hand]

in the 70's things were different, more tolerant with pedoculture

 

[Skinwalker]

scholars have explained that watching underage pornography minimizes actual real life attack on kids

Did those scholars look like this by any chance?

 

[Melcar]

This thread is just sad.

 

[Crispy]

Eventually the staff have to pick between the normal users and the pedophiles

You're right. We've decided to ban you.

 

[0sacred]

Eventually the staff have to pick between the normal users and the pedophiles

You're right. We've decided to ban you.

Pedo mod coming out of left field to bodyslam you 10/10

 

[Hell Swarm]

ow, obviously, posting or discussing child porn is forbidden as per the rules of the Codex and I trust DU and others to enforce this as they see fit. When it comes to discussions about the age of consent, it strongly depends on which age we are talking about. I assume you are American given that you think 16 is a low age of consent and this might explain part of the problem. The age of consent is 14 in Germany and many other European countries and if someone came around and would suggest that it should be 13, I see no reason why this would be an undefendable position even if I would consider it to be quite low (for reference, the lowest age of consent in the world is 11 which is lower than I would be comfortable with). But I am quite sure that suggesting an age of consent of 14 would already label a user a pedo in your book.

I'm not an American and I specifically said there should be a review in these areas of the law in general because of cultural changes. This isn't an honest discussion on that topic and it's not being approached with any sort of morality. It's "As soon as she's bled she should be legal to fuck" which is straight up dangerous and means the topic is focused on girls 10-12 on average. It's a specific type of malicious posting I'm talking about.

While I agree that most posters - myself included - would not feel comfortable on a board filled with pedophiles, there is also the danger of users curtailing free speech in the name of morality.

I think every topic has a place to be discussed and an RPG forum is not the place for that specific discussion. There are plenty of games with childhood abuse in them which merit discussion of the topic and that's fine in my book. Silent Hill 2 features heavy themes of incestous sexual abuse of an underage girl. It's not possible to discuss that game without touching on that character's story and elements it introduces. I don't especially care if you joke about the topic, might even be a funny joke. I'm specifically looking for the rules to be revised in order to stop activism and promoting the idea of IRL child abuse. I know the free speech argument about the topic and that argument is used as a shield by the pedos because they know it's an automatic victory for them. Either you admit your principals are flawed and have to censor a topic or you have to let them post their vile messages. Many of them get off on knowing they're putting you in an unwinnable situation and forcing you to engage with their fetish if some of the theories on why they do it is to be believed. It's a situation set up by the bad actors to intentionally put you in an unwinnable state and that's why it's been so effective in destroying other communities.

I never suggested a ban on the hentai thread. I don't really like porn on forums but it's part of Codex's culture and it's occasionally funny to see someone's profile and see they've thirst posted over some washed up porn whore. Frankly I'd rather have a forum full of MILF posters than a single post about age of consent laws.

Eventually the staff have to pick between the normal users and the pedophiles

You're right. We've decided to ban you.

Go for it. I'm sure you will look fantastic for banning a guy for saying "You shouldn't fuck children"

 

[babayaga]

Eventually the staff have to pick between the normal users and the pedophiles

You're right. We've decided to ban you.

Nooo, don't ban the pedo hater, we need those, society needs those, we all should be pedo haters

 

[Apostle Hand]

how the one know pedophillia is bad if they never experienced it. Some psychologist said it is feminist to blame on pedo demonization.

 

[Skinwalker]

Eventually the staff have to pick between the normal users and the pedophiles

You're right. We've decided to ban you.

Go for it. I'm sure you will look fantastic for banning a guy for saying "You shouldn't fuck children"

Pay no attention to any "we have decided" statements from Cripsy, he is Dunderlord's toilet paper. Nothing is decided together with Crispy or because of Crispy, and he has no clue what the real admins are going to do until they do it.

 

[Hell Swarm]

Eventually the staff have to pick between the normal users and the pedophiles

You're right. We've decided to ban you.

Go for it. I'm sure you will look fantastic for banning a guy for saying "You shouldn't fuck children"

Pay no attention to any "we have decided" statements from Cripsy, he is Dunderlord's toilet paper. Nothing is decided together with Crispy or because of Crispy, and he has no clue what the real admins are going to do until they do it.

I know he's a faggot. I still stand by what I said. I'm willing to die on the "don't fuck children" hill.

 

[Frank Capicoli]

I'm willing to die on the "don't fuck children" hill.

Plenty of Mohammads for you to go after in your country then.

 

[mondblut]

It's "As soon as she's bled she should be legal to fuck" which is straight up dangerous

Like it or not, that's the only objective criteria. Everything else, be it "that 12 years old totally looked like an adult!11" or "nooo, that 17 years old with 2 kids still has the mind of a child!11" is arbitrary moral wankery.

 

[babayaga]

It's "As soon as she's bled she should be legal to fuck" which is straight up dangerous

Like it or not, that's the only objective criteria. Everything else, be it "that 12 years old totally looked like an adult!11" or "nooo, that 17 years old with 2 kids still has the mind of a child!11" is arbitrary moral wankery.

Spoken like a true pedophile, lol

 

[Haba]

Those threads are really good for revealing femoids.

"Mm-uh mature women have so much more they bring to the table. You should date 40+ year old wahmen!"