KickStarter Phoenix Point - the new game from X-COM creator Julian Gollop

[JDR13]

It's way better than nu-xcom IMO. One of the best turn based tactics of the last few years. A lot of room to improve though.

Couldn't disagree more. I recently tried it immediately after finishing XCOM 2, and it just seemed bland by comparison.

 

[Latelistener]

This guy is basically saying what almost everyone did in this thread before: PP lost its identity after some major design changes to cater to the NuXCOM audience and it resulted in losing both audiences. And that Epic deal has put the last nail in the coffin.

 

[Visperas]

Did it really lose its audience though? How did the game sell? Do we have the numbers? Personally, I want the company to succeed and try to make another turn based tactics. Also, is there any way to follow the progress of the Long War-style mod for Phoenix Point?

 

[Zboj Lamignat]

The approach they took was doomed to fail from the start, epic or not. The assumption that the epic deal killed off any possibility of the game gaining a community that would keep it semi-alive, make mods etc is probably correct. I just ain't sure if such possibility ever existed in the first place.

 

[ArchAngel]

Did it really lose its audience though? How did the game sell? Do we have the numbers? Personally, I want the company to succeed and try to make another turn based tactics. Also, is there any way to follow the progress of the Long War-style mod for Phoenix Point?

You really don't want them to make any more TB games, trust me.
Phoenix Rising mod team is only 6 months old and it wasn't doing much for part of that time. Something as large as Long War in changes to vanilla PP is at least 6 months away and probably much more.

 

[Visperas]

Did it really lose its audience though? How did the game sell? Do we have the numbers? Personally, I want the company to succeed and try to make another turn based tactics. Also, is there any way to follow the progress of the Long War-style mod for Phoenix Point?

You really don't want them to make any more TB games, trust me.
Phoenix Rising mod team is only 6 months old and it wasn't doing much for part of that time. Something as large as Long War in changes to vanilla PP is at least 6 months away and probably much more.

Really? The experience with them was that bad? I mean, the game is not great but it's a pretty good TB tacticool, right? Why do you say I don't want more TB from them?

 

[ArchAngel]

Did it really lose its audience though? How did the game sell? Do we have the numbers? Personally, I want the company to succeed and try to make another turn based tactics. Also, is there any way to follow the progress of the Long War-style mod for Phoenix Point?

You really don't want them to make any more TB games, trust me.
Phoenix Rising mod team is only 6 months old and it wasn't doing much for part of that time. Something as large as Long War in changes to vanilla PP is at least 6 months away and probably much more.

Really? The experience with them was that bad? I mean, the game is not great but it's a pretty good TB tacticool, right? Why do you say I don't want more TB from them?

I don't want any more Xcom likes from them, they can keep doing smaller games. I will go into more details once DLC5 is out as I am still under NDA.

 

[Serus]

PP will probably be looked on as... wait, what is PP?

Also, it was not an attempt at recapturing x-com at all, unless you mean that one xcom that ruined tactical games forever, somehow managing that despite the fact they were already ruined before it came out.

Forever? No. Longer. To the end of time and beyond!

Being dramatic much? All nuxcom did was causing other games to be made that copied some of its gameplay - including how the movement works. Similar things happens all the time in this business. As time passes the memory of the success of such title starts to fade and at some point a new "holy grail" is made and majority starts to copy it mindlessly instead of the previous one. This is the circle of life (of game industry).
In addition, the movement is only ruining a game if you want to make it somewhat realistic or complex. If you want a more abstract or/and gamey system, it could work - could if everyone and their dog weren't concentrated on copying the "winning" formula without thinking.

 

[Zboj Lamignat]

So, instead of making non-points and childish button-rating, care to give me a short summary of the health and condition of non-indie (not like those aren't 90+% infected with nuxcom rot, too) tactical game market since the first nuxcom and share examples of titles that disprove the painfully obvious truism of it turning the landscape into a complete wasteland that even its own sequel couldn't survive to the point of franchise getting turned into capeshit card battler? I'll make it easy for you and you can start with that game made by the godfather of the genre that was supposed to make us all his bitches and bring back the good times... oooh, wait.

 

[PanteraNera]

I will go into more details once DLC5 is out as I am still under NDA.

Please tag me than, I am intrigued!

 

[Visperas]

I will go into more details once DLC5 is out as I am still under NDA.

Please tag me than, I am intrigued!

Same!

 

[lightbane]

Can't wait to hear what kind of shady story there's behind the development of this game.

 

[Yaar Podshipnik]

Can't wait to hear what kind of shady story there's behind the development of this game.

A once great dev, who earns more on his name than actual current skill, moves to a country with very cheap labour. Promises the world, pockets kicstarter money, cheap crew he got can't implement most of the cool ideas. Result is merely mediocre, with crappy art, and very buggy on release. IMO, no scam involved, just incompetence all around.

 

[gurugeorge]

Can't wait to hear what kind of shady story there's behind the development of this game.

A once great dev, who earns more on his name than actual current skill, moves to a country with very cheap labour. Promises the world, pockets kicstarter money, cheap crew he got can't implement most of the cool ideas. Result is merely mediocre, with crappy art, and very buggy on release. IMO, no scam involved, just incompetence all around.

Yeah that seems to be about the size of it (although I'm a bit more favourable towards the game than you evidently are ).

 

[lightbane]

Can't wait to hear what kind of shady story there's behind the development of this game.

A once great dev, who earns more on his name than actual current skill, moves to a country with very cheap labour. Promises the world, pockets kicstarter money, cheap crew he got can't implement most of the cool ideas. Result is merely mediocre, with crappy art, and very buggy on release. IMO, no scam involved, just incompetence all around.

That's the basics yes, but judging Angel's latest reaction, who used to be the most vocal shill, that means there's much more hidden beneath. I'm betting abuse of power at minimum.

 

[PanteraNera]

That's the basics yes, but judging Angel's latest reaction, who used to be the most vocal shill, that means there's much more hidden beneath. I'm betting abuse of power at minimum.

Where did they touch you ArchAngel ?

 

[ArchAngel]

Can't wait to hear what kind of shady story there's behind the development of this game.

A once great dev, who earns more on his name than actual current skill, moves to a country with very cheap labour. Promises the world, pockets kicstarter money, cheap crew he got can't implement most of the cool ideas. Result is merely mediocre, with crappy art, and very buggy on release. IMO, no scam involved, just incompetence all around.

That's the basics yes, but judging Angel's latest reaction, who used to be the most vocal shill, that means there's much more hidden beneath. I'm betting abuse of power at minimum.

??
What abuse of power?!
This is not such a big drama lol.

 

[Comte]

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[Infinitron]

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[geno]

Can we expect more major patches or overhauls after this, ArchAngel?

 

[razvedchiki]

no new enemy to fight with the new dlc?

 

[Taka-Haradin puolipeikko]

Nodes activated!

 

[ArchAngel]

Can we expect more major patches or overhauls after this, ArchAngel?

Nope, only the Phoenix Rising mod team is going to doing that from now on and it is already better (in its very unfinished state) than what devs did with their game

 

[InD_ImaginE]

Can we expect more major patches or overhauls after this, ArchAngel?

Nope, only the Phoenix Rising mod team is going to doing that from now on and it is already better (in its very unfinished state) than what devs did with their game

Unfortunate. I have a lot of fun with PP on tactical layer, it's probably the best out of the XCOM clone we have on the tactical combat.

The strategic layer is severely lacking with DLCs being half baked idea, somewhat on a mod level that could be much better if better developed and integrated.

Hopefully the modding team is capable of making a mediocre game great.

 

[Taka-Haradin puolipeikko]

Can we expect more major patches or overhauls after this, ArchAngel?

Nope, only the Phoenix Rising mod team is going to doing that from now on and it is already better (in its very unfinished state) than what devs did with their game

Will there be tiddies?