Pillars of Eternity Beta Discussion [GAME RELEASED, GO TO NEW THREAD]

[Harold]

Even the most well-designed spreadsheet fails to capture the reality of how systems will function within the context of a game environment.

Yeah, no shit.

 

[Black]

What are some good and well balanced crpgs?

 

[Infinitron]

There would be no immunity to charm. It would increases defense against charm, so you'd be less likely to be charmed and then have a lower duration, but no hard counters.

Yep, that's exactly what The Saw™ would say.

That's probably my biggest beef with him, his fixation on "hard counters" and how they're somehow work of the devil. If bashing them wasn't such a huge hobby horse for him I feel he'd be a much, much more palatable designer, much more amenable to fun and interesting designs.

My problem with the powerful Items of Immunity in BG2 especially was that they kinda made equipment loadout degenerate to "who gets what immunity" and combat degenerate to "put the right immune person at the front line". Things could probably be a bit more interesting than that.

It's also weird to me how that sort of stuff tends to make the entire saving throw system superfluous.

 

[Bubbles]

What are some good and well balanced crpgs?

There are none. But I'm sure that doesn't really mean anything.

 

[Infinitron]

There are also no bad and well balanced RPGs. Or any well-balanced RPGs.

 

[Darth Roxor]

What are some good and well balanced crpgs?

Alpha Protocol

 

[Duraframe300]

What are some good and well balanced crpgs?

Alpha Protocol

MCAstyle.

 

[Bubbles]

There are also no bad and well balanced RPGs. Or any well-balanced RPGs.

Progress Quest.

 

[Raghar]

What are some good and well balanced crpgs?

Dark Souls?

 

[ZagorTeNej]

What are some good and well balanced crpgs?

Arcanum.

 

[FeelTheRads]

Halo

 

[Black]

What are some good and well balanced crpgs?

Dark Souls?

No trolling, honest question.

 

[Harold]

What are some good and well balanced crpgs?

Supposedly Dungeon Siege 3, too bad no one cares.

 

[Bubbles]

What are some good and well balanced crpgs?

Elder Scrolls Online.

 

[felipepepe]

My problem with the powerful Items of Immunity in BG2 especially was that they kinda made equipment loadout degenerate to "who gets what immunity" and combat degenerate to "put the right immune person at the front line". Things could probably be a bit more interesting than that.

And how having a system of "put the right high-resistance person at the front line" is any better?

 

[Infinitron]

My problem with the powerful Items of Immunity in BG2 especially was that they kinda made equipment loadout degenerate to "who gets what immunity" and combat degenerate to "put the right immune person at the front line". Things could probably be a bit more interesting than that.

And how having a system of "put the right high-resistance person at the front line" is any better?

Well, if his resistance fails - and in the long run, it always will - you need to have a backup plan ready.

 

[Bubbles]

My problem with the powerful Items of Immunity in BG2 especially was that they kinda made equipment loadout degenerate to "who gets what immunity" and combat degenerate to "put the right immune person at the front line". Things could probably be a bit more interesting than that.

And how having a system of "put the right high-resistance person at the front line" is any better?

Well, if his resistance fails - and in the long run, it always will - you need to have a backup plan ready.

Reload.

 

[Infinitron]

And that's why you also need effects with short durations that don't take out a character for so long that people say "fuck it, reloading", Bubbles

(And the ones that still do, well, there's nothing to be done for them. Life's not perfect. )

 

[ZagorTeNej]

Reload.

Filthy degenerate.

 

[Liston]

My problem with the powerful Items of Immunity in BG2 especially was that they kinda made equipment loadout degenerate to "who gets what immunity" and combat degenerate to "put the right immune person at the front line". Things could probably be a bit more interesting than that.

And how having a system of "put the right high-resistance person at the front line" is any better?

Well, if his resistance fails - and in the long run, it always will - you need to have a backup plan ready.

That just encourages degenerate save scumming.

I think that D:OS did a great job with resistance. Enemies have total immunities to entire schools of magic rendering a good portion of your abilities useless, and there is nothing you can do about it. This approach forces you to constantly change your tactics from one encounter to another. Much better than both BG "correct resistance or party wipe" and POE "you can win that way too, it's just less effective".

 

[Mangoose]

There are also no bad and well balanced RPGs. Or any well-balanced RPGs.

TOEE? Unless you're talking about encounters too. KOTC kinda if you ignore crafting, as that's only one feature and not a set of unbalanced features.

 

[holla_cabezas_de_mierda]

There would be no immunity to charm. It would increases defense against charm, so you'd be less likely to be charmed and then have a lower duration, but no hard counters.

Yep, that's exactly what The Saw™ would say.

That's probably my biggest beef with him, his fixation on "hard counters" and how they're somehow work of the devil. If bashing them wasn't such a huge hobby horse for him I feel he'd be a much, much more palatable designer, much more amenable to fun and interesting designs.

can you or somebody explain his reasoning on his 'no hard-counters' stance? He seems somewhat obsessive about certain things, I do like some of his design choices, I guess I just sort of wish he were not LEAD designer and were more like an associate designer without as much overriding power.

 

[tuluse]

That just encourages degenerate save scumming.

I think that D:OS did a great job with resistance. Enemies have total immunities to entire schools of magic rendering a good portion of your abilities useless, and there is nothing you can do about it. This approach forces you to constantly change your tactics from one encounter to another. Much better than both BG "correct resistance or party wipe" and POE "you can win that way too, it's just less effective".

In all seriousness you won't reload because your dude would just incapacitated, not killed. So when you eventually beat the encounter he'll get back up.

can you or somebody explain his reasoning on his 'no hard-counters' stance? He seems somewhat obsessive about certain things, I do like some of his design choices, I guess I just sort of wish he were not LEAD designer and were more like an associate designer without as much overriding power.

Degenerate gameplay.

Hard counters leads to either guessing the situation correctly (or using meta knowledge) and cakewalking, or guessing incorrectly and having an extremely difficult time or reloading. He wants more granularity.

TOEE? Unless you're talking about encounters too. KOTC kinda if you ignore crafting, as that's only one feature and not a set of unbalanced features.

D&D is not balanced and one has ever claimed this.

 

[roshan]

Granted, the PoE weapons are probably low level weapons, I hope that the high tear unique weapons will be truly unique.

No they will just be BBBBALLANCED!!!!

 

[Shadenuat]

They say 4th edition is p. balanced.

Probably why 5th edition seems to draw more from Pathfinder than 4th edition.