Eternity Pillars of Eternity II Beta Thread [GAME RELEASED, GO TO NEW THREAD]

[santino27]

Erm....I don't get it. Are we actually to the point where people don't like VO in a game?

We're at the point where everyone bitches about everything, basically.

Next phase is bargaining. When that doesn't work, we'll lynch Lacrymas and blame it on Infinitron.

 

[Infinitron]

Narrator VO: https://forums.somethingawful.com/s...=17931&perpage=40&pagenumber=12#post483124914

 

[Blakemoreland Hybrid Boss]

Because full VO just does not work in a prose-style dialogue with a lot of descriptive text. Your reading speed does not correlate with your hearing speed, the voice over is also choppy because they do not voice the descriptions, which makes the entire experience an exercise in futility.

The problem is the text-adjective diarrhea they are using now. In MotB and F:NV you have VO just fine. In FO&FO2 the use of VO with talking heads was perfect.

 

[Jezal_k23]

VO is not a problem in and of itself. I think the problem is that we're on the path of making these games a lot more expensive than they actually needed to be with the demand for full VO, when these resources could be used elsewhere, or even not at all, lowering the game's development costs.

When the boom started, a huge "feature" that was associated with making these games was that they're cheaper to make, because they couldn't be made otherwise.

Larian raised the bar now, so if your oldschool RPG is anything less than fully voice acted, you've fallen behind and the mainstream audience will make note of that and it'll always be listed as "negative" of the game.

I hope that they at least get the increased sales to match the budget spent on their VO, and since this seems to matter so much for people, they just might.

 

[Tenebris]

IT'S THE ETERNAL BOAT ALL OVER AGAIN.

Cue a few decades later and we'll have a Kickstarter for a CRPG revival. Again.

 

[Thonius]

IT'S THE ETERNAL BOAT ALL OVER AGAIN.

Cue a few decades later and we'll have a Kickstarter for a CRPG revival. Again.

REMEMBER THOSE CRPG WITH FULL VO? WE DO! So pledge to our kickstarter etc
....
Fully voiced with narrator? Jesus.....
Fucking larian... Also DOS2 was shit, prove me wrong! Hint: you can't.
EDIT: oh just loaded that forum post. Well at least no narrator.

 

[Jezal_k23]

Read any reddit thread about this and you'll find what I was talking about. "Oh jeez that's great news because reading all the text in the first game was literally impossible".

 

[Thonius]

I'm not native English speaker. Yet I've managed to read all POE in ENG. And on those narrated transition between chapters, I was frustrated by the speed of the narrator and text scroll. Fucking russian( with terrible engl level) has no problem with reading text in POE (I think I even read all the baker NPC soul-bits/story's) yet ordinary Joe is to lazy/dumb.
REEEEEEE

 

[Jimmious]

The game already has top notch graphics and all its content implemented. Systemic changes are not budget dependent, they are simply decisions of the developers.

Adding VO does NOT influence the systems of the game or the addition of some feature (which one?) that would cost money. The game is feature complete for some time now, the VO is just added cosmetic value on the ready product.

 

[Jezal_k23]

But that is the point. It's a cosmetic that costs a lot of money...

 

[Jimmious]

But that is the point. It's a cosmetic that costs a lot of money...

Well, they had that money and added this in the game. I don't see what the problem is? What could they add in the last month with that budget that would not be fully buggy and untested?
VO is easy to apply when you have all the dialogues ready

 

[Tenebris]

Well, they had that money and added this in the game. I don't see what the problem is? What could they add in the last month with that budget that would not be fully buggy and untested?
VO is easy to apply when you have all the dialogues ready

Do we really know when they decided this? It could have been stewing for quite some time and they're only now telling us about it.

 

[Thonius]

At Obsidian meeting room :
Let's see what can we spend our money on?
1) New writers
2) New systems
3) More C&C
4) Branching story
5) Good CG trailer
6) hookers and cocain
7) new office
8) contracts with non retarded streamer
9) Ad's on tv
10) Ad's
11) More ad's
12) More companions
13)
999)
1000) Stupid VO for stupid people
Choice is clear!

 

[Jimmious]

Well, they had that money and added this in the game. I don't see what the problem is? What could they add in the last month with that budget that would not be fully buggy and untested?
VO is easy to apply when you have all the dialogues ready

Do we really know when they decided this? It could have been stewing for quite some time and they're only now telling us about it.

Do you think they had full VO planned for so much time but they kept it secret? Why?

 

[Thonius]

Because unless they don't give a crap about quality they had to plan it and schedule long before.

Spoiler

 

[Merlkir]

Let me explain how Obsidian should better spend their budget, because they're obviously casual-pandering idiots with no real (=my) understanding of the industry.

 

[Tenebris]

Do you think they had full VO planned for so much time but they kept it secret? Why?

To get the nonsense with Critical Role prepared among other things. You don't just go "We should put full VO into the game" and get started the next day. These things take time.

 

[Jimmious]

Do you think they had full VO planned for so much time but they kept it secret? Why?

To get the nonsense with Critical Role prepared among other things. You don't just go "We should put full VO into the game" and get started the next day. These things take time.

I'm pretty sure they decided on this partnership relatively recently and then saw that a full on contract with the guys to voice the whole game is not too expensive and only takes a month, so they went for it.
Of course thats my assumption

 

[Jezal_k23]

But that is the point. It's a cosmetic that costs a lot of money...

Well, they had that money and added this in the game. I don't see what the problem is? What could they add in the last month with that budget that would not be fully buggy and untested?
VO is easy to apply when you have all the dialogues ready

I think VO being mandatory for these games now may take away more relevant content in future games. I'm not saying Deadfire in specific has had features cut because of full VO. Just that it's an unnecessary addition that inflates the budget.

Remember that not having to record full VO was an important element in getting Pillars 1 made?

 

[Sentinel]

Well, they had that money and added this in the game. I don't see what the problem is? What could they add in the last month with that budget that would not be fully buggy and untested?
VO is easy to apply when you have all the dialogues ready

Do we really know when they decided this? It could have been stewing for quite some time and they're only now telling us about it.

Do you think they had full VO planned for so much time but they kept it secret? Why?

generate pre-release hype. or do you believe the timing of the announcement is a total coincidence?

 

[Thonius]

Let me explain how Obsidian should better spend their budget, because they're obviously casual-pandering idiots with no real (=my) understanding of the industry.

Well they were once on a brink of bankruptcy.... your point is?

 

[fantadomat]

Full VO is a big resource waste in a isometric RPG. Obsidian is really trying for the Biowaste career path. Lest hope that the game will be finished and feels coherent.

Let me explain how Obsidian should better spend their budget, because they're obviously casual-pandering idiots with no real (=my) understanding of the industry.

Well they were once on a brink of bankruptcy.... your point is?

That they cold be at the brink of bankruptcy yet again.

 

[Jimmious]

Let me explain how Obsidian should better spend their budget, because they're obviously casual-pandering idiots with no real (=my) understanding of the industry.

Well they were once on a brink of bankruptcy.... your point is?

That they now aren't

 

[Thonius]

Let me explain how Obsidian should better spend their budget, because they're obviously casual-pandering idiots with no real (=my) understanding of the industry.

Well they were once on a brink of bankruptcy.... your point is?

That they now aren't

Maybe they went all in?

 

[Jimmious]

Let me explain how Obsidian should better spend their budget, because they're obviously casual-pandering idiots with no real (=my) understanding of the industry.

Well they were once on a brink of bankruptcy.... your point is?

That they now aren't

Maybe they went all in?

You and TheSentinel even agree that the full VO move is good marketing-wise so if they DO have financial issues isn't it a good choice??