Eternity Pillars of Eternity II Beta Thread [GAME RELEASED, GO TO NEW THREAD]

[Elex]

Sure, but that impacts accuracy (and potentially firing speed), not damage

But realistically accuracy should impact damage

like when dexterity increase damage.


btw now i want an RPG where STR increase accuracy and fire rate with firearms.

 

[Quillon]

Sure, but that impacts accuracy (and potentially firing speed), not damage

But realistically accuracy should impact damage

like when dexterity increase damage.

Accuracy is tied to perception in pillows.

 

[Alienman]

Sawyer is being far more reactive to internet bitching than I would have thought.

Not necessarily a bad thing, but I'm starting to suspect we're looking at a 6 month beta and a summer release.

And 3 years of patching.

 

[Infinitron]

Sawyer, 2015: D&D is a flawed system! I can make it better! I'll show them, I'll show them all!!!

Sawyer, Present Day: *Rolls back yet another mechanic to D&D implementation* My empire... crumbled to dust before my eyes...

Funny, but it's weird how people seem to forget or disregard the fact that D&D doesn't have a stat that increases spell damage. The big difference between PoE and D&D isn't that Might affects spell damage instead of Intellect, it's that you can affect it at all. And that's not changing here.

I get it, it's more of a "spirit of the game" thing, but still...

 

[Jenkem]

not about to read 45 pages

is it good? or is it SHIT?

 

[Reinhardt]

Yes.

 

[Jenkem]

 

[Sentinel]

Which attributes govern which combat stats & mechanics doesn't matter anywhere near as much as how those mechanics actually work.

True, but common sense would dictate that renaming Might back to Strength would always imply/need a change in what the attribute does mechanically, so I just didn't mention it.

 

[Sentinel]

D&D doesn't have a stat that increases spell damage.

and that's a positive.

 

[frajaq]

get rid of stats IMO

 

[fantadomat]

Rename strength in to POWER! Then make it useful for everything. When you got true POWER you will able to give move propelling force to bullets because your muscles are so massive that you can throw the bullets at the moment of firing.

 

[Ent]

I believe the newer editions of dnd do have stats increasing spell damage - but nobody really talks about them here.

 

[FreeKaner]

It's all fault of Sawyer for trying to make not-D&D instead of actually making something unique.

 

[Quillon]

Roll back the yet to be applied patch; instead of continuously trying to make that one stat not a dump one, remove resolve and put the bonuses in other, now the magic number 5 stats and whatever resolve left in the game; in dialogue or whatever, bake it into a skill, call it determination or something and :ehue:.

 

[santino27]

Sure, but that impacts accuracy (and potentially firing speed), not damage

But realistically accuracy should impact damage

That I agree on entirely... but it's also a whole 'nother debate. :D It's not like D&D (or Pillars) have ever done a particularly good job with that.

 

[fantadomat]

It's all fault of Sawyer for trying to make not-D&D instead of actually making something unique.

To be honest it is hard to make new and original system,there is too many other systems. Also it doesn't help not having big imagination.

 

[FreeKaner]

D&D stat system is strictly only good if you are rolling 3d6 6 times for it. No point purchase bullshit.

 

[BilboBaggins]

Sawyer is being far more reactive to internet bitching than I would have thought.

Not necessarily a bad thing, but I'm starting to suspect we're looking at a 6 month beta and a summer release.

More like a Spring release, but a playable version by Fall.

 

[2house2fly]

It's all fault of Sawyer for trying to make not-D&D instead of actually making something unique.

They were making an infinity engine pastiche, not-D&D was never not on the cards

 

[Sentinel]

PoE was never not-D&D mechanics wise. If it were not-D&D, it wouldn't have used a d100 system to begin with.

 

[Rinslin Merwind]

People talking about that there should be only 4 stats or 5 while this is how pick perfomance of atrubute systems look like, like you it or not decent attribute system for me:

This system in fact heavy modification of D&D system, so if people really want "just like in D&D, but better" there we go. This system allows incredibly amount of possible combinations, so everyone from sly diplomats to hardcore combat fanatics of various combat styles would be satisfied. Ofc it's not flawless, but at least it not feels so castrated, as system with 6 attributes, where only 2 dps stats and other dump stats, which would be not useful, except 2-3 dialog options. I understand that some people love fill their party with orlans with spears and godlike creatures and play game again and again with same party and same weapons, but there should be different styles, not "that one holy meta". My opinion that attribute system should allow more variability and represent aspects of game world, not being restriction of player's choice "for sake of holy balance".

Or we can go with system without attributes, this can be even more better, but how should be look this realization is another question.

 

[Prime Junta]

Arcanum was mechanically terrible in every way

 

[Rinslin Merwind]

Arcanum was mechanically terrible in every way

Me: *Let's share my opinion about attributes in games*

You: "Arcanum is terrible in every way"

Look, I don't want to start flame about Arcanum in PoE2 discussion, but I want just want to ask - in real life you too mess around every person in store with different preferences for products? Like run towards people and scream "How could you like that toilet paper? It's terrible in every way!" *proceed being kicked from store by security*. I never claimed that mechanic was flawless, but your statement sound really selfish and arrogant, because you not added "it's just my opinion". And your opinion, just have weight as much as my opinion on such matter.

Besides I was not meant that realization should be exactly like in Arcanum, because PoE is different game. I just wanted to say that attribute system should allow variability and not cut some playstyles, just because "holy D&D book told so" After all, PoE world not part of D&D setting, so rules not should be exactly being same. Also RPG stand for role-playing game, not "min max orlan spear build and godlike creatures only" game where you spend hours to watch video guide to realize that you can't be efficient human rogue because devs somehow decided that attributes cannot be improved after character creation and human race cannot have good thief guilds. Disability to improve attributes after character creation is also thing which I personally don't like, because in real life all attributes can be improved - from strength to charisma (like for con and stg you going in gym, int - book and etc.)

It's all just my opinion. I know for someone it can sounds insane, like "Wtf I am reading, how dare he disagree with *insert something popular*" But in the end, I can admit my mistakes if I misunderstood something.

 

[Sentinel]

in real life you too harass every person in store with different preferences for products

I must have missed the harassment

 

[Jimmious]

Also if you feel harassed by such a comment.. boy are you in the wrong forum