Eternity Pillars of Eternity II Beta Thread [GAME RELEASED, GO TO NEW THREAD]

[FreeKaner]

Sawyer not committed to balance?

Differing vision consensus and telemetrics. Plus sawyerist streamlining of systems can lead to imbalances ironically if the amount of systems utilised is fluid, multiclasses make more use of individually streamlined parts.

 

[Infinitron]

I guess it's kind of an apples and oranges comparison really, since most classes in IE don't give you a big package of abilities to play with. Multiclassing in IE is really more an exercise of "let's build a mage who has the THAC0 and hit dice of a fighter".

 

[Background Character]

I got insider info that if Sawyer doesn't balance a thing at least once a day he fucking explodes

 

[Zboj Lamignat]

Everyone complaining about sawyer balancing everything and now complaining multi class chars are op. Classic codex.

Wooot, giant fucking neon strawman alert. Sawyar balance is just a meme. The real problem was always the fact that he tries to balance, complrtely fails, and makes everything banal shit boring instead.

 

[Lacrymas]

Differing vision consensus and telemetrics. Plus sawyerist streamlining of systems can lead to imbalances ironically if the amount of systems utilised is fluid, multiclasses make more use of individually streamlined parts.

Streamlined compared to what, though? I'd say AD&D is way more "streamlined" than what PoE 3.0 turned out to be. PoE 3.0 is more like a shitty version of 3/3.5E and I still wouldn't say it's streamlined. It's complex in a way that sometimes it doesn't make sense, however. I kinda liked the different defenses, and finding ways to exploit them, too bad even PotD could be completed without even knowing the defenses exist, let alone using them to your advantage.

 

[Sizzle]

Everyone complaining about sawyer balancing everything and now complaining multi class chars are op. Classic codex.

Wooot, giant fucking neon strawman alert. Sawyar balance is just a meme. The real problem was always the fact that he tries to balance, complrtely fails, and makes everything banal shit boring instead.

He did a good job with Fallout: New Vegas (at least as skills and items go).

 

[Ent]

They are going to be adding this separate talent tree thing soon - maybe that'll have some more incentives in it for single classed characters - but honestly I can't pass judgement until I see the 8 - 9 level abilities/spells for the classes before I can truly pass judgement on the system. Multiclassing (except for caster/caster) is pretty fun so far so I hope they go more the route of buffing single class options than using the nerf bat on multis.

 

[polo]

Everyone complaining about sawyer balancing everything and now complaining multi class chars are op. Classic codex.

Wooot, giant fucking neon strawman alert. Sawyar balance is just a meme. The real problem was always the fact that he tries to balance, complrtely fails, and makes everything banal shit boring instead.

You are a meme.

 

[Lacrymas]

I'm very interested in what the people voting my post "shit" are disgruntled about. The fact that I gave a compliment to PoE when I said it isn't streamlined or that I said it's a shittier version of 3/3.5E? I guess nuance isn't what the buttons are good at.

 

[Ent]

Wait does that mean Deadfire will get an expansion that is the equivalent of 3.5's Book of Weeaboo Fightan Magic?

 

[FreeKaner]

Differing vision consensus and telemetrics. Plus sawyerist streamlining of systems can lead to imbalances ironically if the amount of systems utilised is fluid, multiclasses make more use of individually streamlined parts.

Streamlined compared to what, though? I'd say AD&D is way more "streamlined" than what PoE 3.0 turned out to be. PoE 3.0 is more like a shitty version of 3/3.5E and I still wouldn't say it's streamlined. It's complex in a way that sometimes it doesn't make sense, however. I kinda liked the different defenses, and finding ways to exploit them, too bad even PotD could be completed without even knowing the defenses exist, let alone using them to your advantage.

I am talking about deadfire in particular. Which does seem heavily streamlined.

 

[Lacrymas]

I am talking about deadfire in particular. Which does seem heavily streamlined.

Ah. Yeah, it looks more streamlined even on paper. That was the point, though, wasn't it? Droolies can't understand parts of the system (how stupid can you be?) and the all-powerful statistical average says it needs to be changed to something more ...simple. But we've been over this, all we can hope for now is good individual fights that we'll spam all our abilities at. Like an action game.

 

[Quillon]

 

[Lacrymas]

How does Pallegina know this? What have the gods done that she thinks this? It's very dramatic and theatrical, but it hasn't been set up properly and it comes off as cringe-y. Being born with basically superpowers is not a burden the gods have individually singled her out for.

 

[Quillon]

How does Pallegina know this?

Tis her opinion, maaan. She obviously sees it as a curse or joke on her. What are her superpowers that came from being a godlike? She can't even fly ffs

 

[Lacrymas]

Great eyesight? I forgot what her racial was. She isn't deformed like the Death-likes and she doesn't really suffer. She actually has privileges, like joining a brotherhood as a woman. Her anger and "like, her opinion, man" aren't justified.

 

[Sannom]

How does Pallegina know this? What have the gods done that she thinks this? It's very dramatic and theatrical, but it hasn't been set up properly and it comes off as cringe-y. Being born with basically superpowers is not a burden the gods have individually singled her out for.

She's always known this. Even before the reveal she didn't like the Gods, if you recall. If she's not an atheist, then she is at least someone who believes that Gods, their followers and all related organizations should play no part in temporal matters. And I do not believe that being a Godlike is the main reason behind this, the Vailian Republics in general seem to be rather godless.

 

[Lacrymas]

And her opinion wasn't justified in P1 either. It's a ballsy proclamation without anything to back it up and it comes off as a meta-opinion of the writer.

 

[Quillon]

Great eyesight? I forgot what her racial was. She isn't deformed like the Death-likes and she doesn't really suffer. She actually has privileges, like joining a brotherhood as a woman. Her anger and "like, her opinion, man" aren't justified.

Great eyesight = per 14 or stg? What a superpower! How's being treated as a man/genderless a privilege or discrimination by her father or resentment of her brothers in arms along the way? Its your opinion, maaan that her anger isn't justified. Obviously she's not a glass-half-full type.

 

[Lacrymas]

None of those are connected to the gods, it's like a black person blaming the Christian God if they are discriminated against or a gay dude doing the same, it's inane and focused at the wrong thing. She makes blanket statements against basically forces of nature. I'm not saying she should be a Godlike rights activist *shudder*, but some self-awareness would be nice. In this context, she treats society as immutable and an unchanging force which are justified for treating her like this, which is interesting if they explore that.

 

[Quillon]

None of those are connected to the gods

Because being a godlike has nothing to with gods.

She may or may not be right about being angry at gods but its not unnatural/out of her character. Now do you also want perfect characters with perfect tastes and abilities and intelligence etc or bust?

 

[IHaveHugeNick]

I just want redhead pirate princess with big titties. Is that so much to ask?

 

[Background Character]

If you hate Pallegina so much why don't you MARRY HER

I mean tell, tell her so in the game

 

[Quillon]

 

[Sizzle]

Great eyesight? I forgot what her racial was.

Her racial. Not really all that great.

She isn't deformed like the Death-likes and she doesn't really suffer. She actually has privileges, like joining a brotherhood as a woman. Her anger and "like, her opinion, man" aren't justified.

She's still sterile, like all Godlike. Besides that, throughout all of her interactions and banters, it becomes apparent she, and almost everyone else, don't consider her condition to be anything else than a hindrance. If I'm remembering it correctly, joining her order was the only available ticket out of her basically sub-human kith social position.

Too bad the game is littered with Godlike backer NPCs, so we never really get the sense that they are something special :D