Eternity Pillars of Eternity II Beta Thread [GAME RELEASED, GO TO NEW THREAD]

[CptMace]

Where are you from Lacrymas ?
I mean, usually slavs are shitposters on this website, so I'm curious now.

 

[IHaveHugeNick]

Wasteland 2 had similar problem. Goes to show you the difference in professionalism between InExile and Obsidian. Obsidian caught the issue while the game is still in production and text is being written in original language. InExile didn't catch it at all and had to suffer subsequent delays with localization as a result, because the translation team had to often rework entire sentence structure instead of just translating directly.

So yeah. I don't see what you unwashed mongrels are whining about. Simple mistakes like this catch up and someone's gonna fix them eventually.

 

[Lacrymas]

Where are you from Lacrymas ?
I mean, usually slavs are shitposters on this website, so I'm curious now.

From Bulgaria.

 

[Infinitron]

Wasteland 2 had similar problem. Goes to show you the difference in professionalism between InExile and Obsidian. Obsidian caught the issue while the game is still in production and text is being written in original language. InExile didn't catch it at all and had to suffer subsequent delays with localization as a result, because the translation team had to often rework entire sentence structure instead of just translating directly.

So yeah. I don't see what you unwashed mongrels are whining about. Simple mistakes like this catch up and someone's gonna fix them eventually.

As a linguistics nerd, Sawyer is more attuned to issues like these than most.

Remember that any code they develop here can be re-used in future games. A developer of story-driven, writing-heavy games needs top-tier localization tools.

 

[ArchAngel]

Which one is Sawyer?

The lightswitch on the wall. Only thing that looks balanced on the picture.

 

[Daedalos]

Filthy peasants, english is the superior langauage of gentlemen.

Why u bother with localization.

Bitch if you can't play the game in english, nigga u dont deserve dis gaem!

Or in the very least, the game should cost moar money in other languages

 

[imweasel]

Sawyer's sperging is reaching alarming levels. But since I am such a nice guy, I will be constructive and help the poor sap out so that he can save himself a lot of trouble:

I can only speak for German, but the sentences can be rewritten in such a way that the articles (the ships) stay in a nominative case and therefore don't need to be declined. It wouldn't be as elegant, but with a little effort they can look pretty nice and tidy too. I am pretty sure that could be done with other languages as well.​

 

[Background Character]

Countries that aren't America don't matter

 

[FreeKaner]

Just don't allow us to name the ships, who cares? Or have a list of available names that are all one gender. I'm from a Slavic country and I know the different rules for this kind of thing and I think it's too much work for pointless results. Also, aren't we living a post-gender society? Why do this labor of Sisyphus if that's the case? Joking aside, I really do think it's trivial, but if they want to do this, then I obviously can't stop them, it's their time that is wasted.

Well, it's not only gender but yes it seems rather pointless to do that, there can be ways to word the interaction where case use is not necessary. Although I am quite fond of the narrated ship battles feature they are promising here.

 

[Trashos]

Sawyer's sperging is reaching alarming levels.

Stop it, you, you are making him my hero.

 

[aweigh]

Actually everything Sawyer's describing is a super common problem that arises when translating into english from most other languages specifically when dealing with an RPG's "battle log" text output. The tokenization translation issue is one that will always be present and is so common this is one case where Sawyer is not sperging over something superfluous at all.

A lesser developer would simply go with English tokenizations in the other languages discrepancies be damned (and it is perhaps what they should do).

I do think this shouldn't be an issue they deal with right now though, as it's usually something tackled by the translation teams though If they're gonna get that involved with the translations then they might as well get this dealt with now.

 

[FreeKaner]

They could also use attacker and defender, would make things much easier in terms of cases.

 

[IHaveHugeNick]

Yeah, it's a common issue that translators would normally handle on the fly. The difference here is player input text , which requires either a more systemic solution, or accepting inferior localization, or simply removing a perhaps trivial, but nonetheless cool feature. They went for a harder option and I can only applaud that. It's certainly a tinest little thing, but it shows commitment to quality.

In contrast, WL2 had similar problem where certain nouns had to be kept in the nominative because they were keywords, and while that works fine in English, when casing, declension and gendered nouns come into play, it's a fucking mess because you have to manipulate the output to keep the noun in nominative. I remember explaining this to some InXile dude back in a day and I heard wind blowing on the other side.

So yeah.

 

[Lacrymas]

I am going to name my ship "The Gendered Noun".

 

[IHaveHugeNick]

I will name mine "Colin McComb's reputation" and then crash it on the nearest island.

 

[FreeKaner]

To be fair, gendered articles, pronouns and nouns are an abomination.

 

[IHaveHugeNick]

To be fair, gendered articles, pronouns and nouns are an abomination.

English has the best grammar, but the most batshit crazy spelling.

 

[Jezal_k23]

In portuguese, I'm used to ship names being female, 99% of the time. Only the Titanic is male (that I know of), for some reason.

 

[TT1]

My ship will be called "My Dude", just for the chill.

The same name of the protagonist

 

[Turbo normie]

In portuguese, I'm used to ship names being female, 99% of the time. Only the Titanic is male (that I know of), for some reason.

Because he hit hard that sexy iceberg's ass.
Titanic alpha boat confirmed.

 

[Joni Odin von Hassenstein]

Umm, aren't ships always female in German anyway?

 

[aweigh]

ships are always female in spanish too, with some exceptions like the titanic, same as in Portuguese. Portuguese and spanish share the same rules 99% of the time, something which hilariously pisses off Brazilians for some reason whenever a gringo thinks they're talking/writing in spanish.

 

[Jenkem]

well the combat might be broken and require several re-works and patches but hey at least our ship names have the right pronouns!

 

[V_K]

English has the best grammar, but the most batshit crazy spelling.

You clearly haven't studied Danish. Or Irish Gaelic for that matter.

 

[Joni Odin von Hassenstein]

English has the best grammar, but the most batshit crazy spelling.

Irish Gaelic for that matter.

Which kinda sounds like a drunk elf. ^^