Vapourware Realms Beyond: Ashes of the Fallen - Chaos Chronicles reborn and dead again

[bandersnatch]

The only people that would hate on these indie devs are the same SJW's that tried to get it cancelled in the beginning because it had chicks with tits instead of what they wanted, chicks with dicks. If the codex won't get behind indie devs like this, they may as well just bend over and take the wokeness up their ass instead.

 

[rusty_shackleford]

The only people that would hate on these indie devs are the same SJW's that tried to get it cancelling in the beginning because it had chicks with tits instead of what they wanted, chicks with dicks. If the codex won't get behind indie devs like this, they may as well just bend over and take the wokeness up their ass instead.

you should probably research this topic more before posting

2.) I "left" the codex last year or so because I was sick of being permanently harrassed in almost every thread/topic by so called Alt-Rights/Trumpists/Neo Nazis. I am fine with those attacks in political threads, but those guys even attacked me (and my project) in threads related to RPGs and my game which made this place way too toxic for me.

https://www.rpgwatch.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-40642.html


Hahahahaha

 

[Grunker]

For someone who hasn't been paying attention, could someone summarize what happened with this game? Is this just another case of developers running away with kickstarter money or something else? Why can't the developer just finish the game himself in his spare time like any other indie game developer? Why hasn't there been any updates on kickstarter/website in almost a year?

Devs who have already proven to be incapable of producing anything despite investors, crowd funding and government grants twice proved it a third time

The only people that would hate on these indie devs are the same SJW's that tried to get it cancelled in the beginning because it had chicks with tits instead of what they wanted, chicks with dicks. If the codex won't get behind indie devs like this, they may as well just bend over and take the wokeness up their ass instead.

As a wise codexer once said:

"youa re dumb"

 

[bandersnatch]

2.) I "left" the codex last year or so because I was sick of being permanently harrassed in almost every thread/topic by so called Alt-Rights/Trumpists/Neo Nazis. I am fine with those attacks in political threads, but those guys even attacked me (and my project) in threads related to RPGs and my game which made this place way too toxic for me.

https://www.rpgwatch.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-40642.html


Hahahahaha

Wait what? RPGwatch? So.... what you are saying is that this game is really being made by SJW libtards? The f*ck.

 

[Mustawd]

if anything, these poor guys are more in debt now than they ever were

1. Free Kickstarter money
2. Free government money

=


3. No game and I doubt any debt

Can you do simple math? Like dollars per hour math? Ever heard of taxes? KS money is never enough to finish a game, unless maybe they make their estimated ship date without any challenges along the way and have a magical budget and team that needs no food to eat. Only morons don't know the value of a dollar and the value of peoples time. You aren't a moron are you? Or maybe you are just another corporate shill? Think white and get serious.

What are you talking about? You said if anything these poor poor men were in piles of debt. My post was to point out the fact that they got free money. Which, you know, usually means you aren't going into debt to finance a project? And duh, that KS money isn't enough as a budget. Which is why we are where we are. KS money plus government tax money wasn't enough.

Well....as we used to say in the 90s, No Shit Sherlock!

 

[underground nymph]

It’s trendy for some part of Codex retards to shit on fucked up projects. I blame the kickstarter bubble for their poor mental state and inability to see much work done for this project. Proceed with your reeeee they got state money! 100000 fucking euro. What a load of money, they must’ve spent it on coke. Fucktards.

 

[Mustawd]

Don't be a child. These ppl asked for and received ppl's hard earned money. When the amount they asked for is only a portion of what they need to complete the project, ppl tend to get pissed. Which is not unreasonable.

 

[Savecummer]

I shat on HobG in this thread a lot already but I gotta go to bat about this SJW narrative.
Btw, I find you all shiteaters that donate to Kickstarter to be borderline idiotic - you deserve more shit than EA npc's, kill yourselves.

"youa re dumb"

Acshually! Its, unsurprisingly, YOU who are ze dumb, yet again.

HobG would have NEVER ever posted on the Dex if he was even slightly SJW. I was surprised as fuck when his identity as a german dev became known!
But once their company announced/(it became public) that that absolute fucking moron of a man, JarlFrank, is working for them - it was all over.
That imbecilic german faggot was sporting swastikas in his profile or signature! His full identity is trivially google'ble.
All it took was a german to report his criminal offenses (swastikas are illegal...) to the authorities and them following through. They love to set warning examples on facebook shitposters.
God know what else is in his 20k posts...
Ze german pseudo courts go mercilessly after people who dont acknowledge the regime.
And cause he is poor as a subhuman, he'd be looking at actual time, suspended of course...

It is absolutely impossible in any way to affiliate yourself with free speech as a german citizen!
There are no jokes, no interpretations for german courts in certain cases... especially when illegal immigrants were storming the country over several eu countries thorugh and the govt was calling them asylum seekers.
And in public opinion too, your name is gonna be a person non grata for all economic entities, let alone govt orgs that provide funding...

The fact that HobG is also googleable and just was on the Dex is a continual risk to his persons! And you, Grunker, too...
You cant just post about mechanics in your game and the next post going "but those niggers and trannies are ruining everything in here, pl0x remove". Its not gonna fly. Its like sitting at the same breakfast table with nazis.

Realms Beyond (germans) had to dump and shit on JarlFrank !the instant! anyone noticed he is working with them.
The RPGwatch post is just insurance of believability.
So, peeps, lets send a big thank you to JarlFrank !

 

[Mortmal]

2.) I "left" the codex last year or so because I was sick of being permanently harrassed in almost every thread/topic by so called Alt-Rights/Trumpists/Neo Nazis. I am fine with those attacks in political threads, but those guys even attacked me (and my project) in threads related to RPGs and my game which made this place way too toxic for me.

https://www.rpgwatch.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-40642.html


Hahahahaha

Wait what? RPGwatch? So.... what you are saying is that this game is really being made by SJW libtards? The f*ck.

No stop spreading disinformation, no game is being made , the guy owning 50% of the society went awol a few months ago , and they did not think something was wrong about it until recently.For now most of them are doing other jobs, probably flipping burgers given their high skill levels. I am not even kidding .

 

[Mortmal]

Don't be a child. These ppl asked for and received ppl's hard earned money. When the amount they asked for is only a portion of what they need to complete the project, ppl tend to get pissed. Which is not unreasonable.

This is true, they asked for a far too small amount of money and knew it's not nearly enough to deliver anything . Hobgoblin confessed it on discord. Label it as you want but that's a scam.

 

[Abu Antar]

It has nothing to do with SJW. They can't handle money/a budget properly. It didn't just happen with Realms Beyond. The same shit happened when the game went under the name "Chaos Chronicles", and it had an actual publisher.

I didn't back for that reason alone.

 

[Savecummer]

You got a working combat demo out of HobG's hobby.
Dont complain. Now its up to JarlFrank to design content. Soon.

 

[Generic-Giant-Spider]

It's simple really, games cost money.

fantadomat

 

[Desiderius]

I shat on HobG in this thread a lot already but I gotta go to bat about this SJW narrative.
Btw, I find you all shiteaters that donate to Kickstarter to be borderline idiotic - you deserve more shit than EA npc's, kill yourselves.

"youa re dumb"

Acshually! Its, unsurprisingly, YOU who are ze dumb, yet again.

HobG would have NEVER ever posted on the Dex if he was even slightly SJW. I was surprised as fuck when his identity as a german dev became known!
But once their company announced/(it became public) that that absolute fucking moron of a man, JarlFrank, is working for them - it was all over.
That imbecilic german faggot was sporting swastikas in his profile or signature! His full identity is trivially google'ble.
All it took was a german to report his criminal offenses (swastikas are illegal...) to the authorities and them following through. They love to set warning examples on facebook shitposters.
God know what else is in his 20k posts...
Ze german pseudo courts go mercilessly after people who dont acknowledge the regime.
And cause he is poor as a subhuman, he'd be looking at actual time, suspended of course...

It is absolutely impossible in any way to affiliate yourself with free speech as a german citizen!
There are no jokes, no interpretations for german courts in certain cases... especially when illegal immigrants were storming the country over several eu countries thorugh and the govt was calling them asylum seekers.
And in public opinion too, your name is gonna be a person non grata for all economic entities, let alone govt orgs that provide funding...

The fact that HobG is also googleable and just was on the Dex is a continual risk to his persons! And you, Grunker, too...
You cant just post about mechanics in your game and the next post going "but those niggers and trannies are ruining everything in here, pl0x remove". Its not gonna fly. Its like sitting at the same breakfast table with nazis.

Realms Beyond (germans) had to dump and shit on JarlFrank !the instant! anyone noticed he is working with them.
The RPGwatch post is just insurance of believability.
So, peeps, lets send a big thank you to JarlFrank !

Got this slave licking his own chains. That is some Prussian shit right there, not gonna lie. Everyone can come and see who the Nazi is here and it ain’t JarlFrank.

 

[fantadomat]

It's simple really, games cost money.

fantadomat

Gime money and i ill show you that they don't!

 

[JarlFrank]

shit

I had left the project even before the Kickstarter you absolute dunce. All I did was some writing, worldbuilding, and level design. In fact a lot of what we saw of the world map that was shown to the public was based on the worldbuilding I had done long before the KS even started. I did my work, left after the cancel culturists knocked at the door, but got paid for what I delivered.

I was never at any point involved in the financials or the management of the project. I don't even know who you are and I don't care, you little retard, but it's really funny that you put the blame on me when I left the company before they got either the Kickstarter money or the government funds.

I was involved with worldbuilding at the early stages of the project though, so I know how ambitious the scope of the game was. Way too big for a small developer to manage. They should have reduced the scope to something more realistic when the KS money came in. No matter how many writers they hired after me, there's no way they could have filled a game world of that size with enough content.

 

[Grunker]

I was involved with worldbuilding at the early stages of the project though, so I know how ambitious the scope of the game was. Way too big for a small developer to manage. They should have reduced the scope to something more realistic when the KS money came in.

I recall having a debate with someone on the team way back then who denied that this was the case. I wonder who that was...

 

[NJClaw]

For someone who hasn't been paying attention, could someone summarize what happened with this game?

The game was almost finished and ready to be released, but then they fired the only feet modeler/developer they had. So now they find themselves with a full game with only one problem: none of the character models has feet. As you can imagine, they can't release an RPG without feet.

A sad story indeed.

BB made it without feet. So there is still hope of sorts....
Also at this point just release the fucking source code and editor.

There you go, friends. Finally, we have the answer: Battle Brothers isn't an RPG.

 

[JarlFrank]

I was involved with worldbuilding at the early stages of the project though, so I know how ambitious the scope of the game was. Way too big for a small developer to manage. They should have reduced the scope to something more realistic when the KS money came in.

I recall having a debate with someone on the team way back then who denied that this was the case. I wonder who that was...

When that certain someone was on the team, they didn't know their final budget yet, so that someone had no idea what was within a realistic scope and what wasn't

EDIT:
Also, my personal preference on game length has changed towards shorter since then.

 

[Desiderius]

shit

I had left the project even before the Kickstarter you absolute dunce. All I did was some writing, worldbuilding, and level design. In fact a lot of what we saw of the world map that was shown to the public was based on the worldbuilding I had done long before the KS even started. I did my work, left after the cancel culturists knocked at the door, but got paid for what I delivered.

I was never at any point involved in the financials or the management of the project. I don't even know who you are and I don't care, you little retard, but it's really funny that you put the blame on me when I left the company before they got either the Kickstarter money or the government funds.

I was involved with worldbuilding at the early stages of the project though, so I know how ambitious the scope of the game was. Way too big for a small developer to manage. They should have reduced the scope to something more realistic when the KS money came in. No matter how many writers they hired after me, there's no way they could have filled a game world of that size with enough content.

Oh bullshit. Just crowdsource it at the Kotex. Hell, Holic and the Swordflight writer and you could handle it in a couple months.

 

[Harthwain]

here you go, friends. Finally, we have an answer: Battle Brothers isn't an RPG.

Why is that news? It has very nice RPG elements that help to diversify the brothers, but it's a tactical game above anything else. I think calling it "wargame" (a distant ancestor to tabletop RPG) is very apt description here. The units themselves resemble figurines or chess pieces, so it fits perfectly.

By the way, Battle Brothers have no feet, but it's procedurally generated. Can you imagine making the game like this (or something like NEO Scavenger) with hand-crafted content, having such a small team? This is precisely why the legs (and the arms!) had to be amputated in order to allow the artist to focus on the most important bits. With that in mind, people shouldn't be so eager to bash procedural generation. It's not all bad, even if it's not perfect. And even considering all of the above, the team working on Battle Brothers had to establish the list of priorities (what to add, what to left out).

 

[Galdred]

Don't be a child. These ppl asked for and received ppl's hard earned money. When the amount they asked for is only a portion of what they need to complete the project, ppl tend to get pissed. Which is not unreasonable.

This is true, they asked for a far too small amount of money and knew it's not nearly enough to deliver anything . Hobgoblin confessed it on discord. Label it as you want but that's a scam.

It is only enough to complete a game when the core team agrees not to get paid, which is what happens with most new studios.

 

[covr]

Stop bumping this thread.

I am drunk.

 

[luj1]

RIP German Icewind Dale.

 

[bandersnatch]

Only fools sit around complaining all day about indie devs and how there are so many bad RPGs out there while thinking that games just grow on trees in backyards that don't require any effort or money to produce. Probably the same fools that think "if only I had that money" I could do it better, faster, and cheaper with my two friends. The reality is that just because you wrote a few pages of fan fiction in the 90's or even designed a game world in high school, that doesn't mean you have the experience, passion, and balls to make the sacrifices required by indie devs to bring their games to life. If it's about the money, then stop pissing on indie devs and go piss on the big corporate dev teams instead. They are not the same thing and if you think so, you're a limp fool.

It's really a miracle that any indie dev manages to finish their game these days in the face of all the fools. I'm still rooting for this game, mainly because I like the odds on games tagged vapourware and dislike just about any of the games that libtards and corporate shills praise because those games always try to educate me on how I'm supposed to think and what type of women I'm supposed to be attracted to.