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Vapourware Realms Beyond: Ashes of the Fallen - Chaos Chronicles reborn and dead again

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Maybe one day some crazy developer person will look at them and make his own g*rmanic BG clone that will eventually be released!
Ehm... excuse me. :rpgcodex:

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I'll write exposé of this Clown Show tomorrow. Best part is yet to come, and RPG Codex will play key role.

Circus is back in town[!]
The next step of the plan is to wait for the assets to fall into the public domain?

No, next step is re-start development from scratch calling it Chaos Chronicles Re-Re-born and it will be abandoned mid-development in 2029
 

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I'll write exposé of this Clown Show tomorrow. Best part is yet to come, and RPG Codex will play key role.

Circus is back in town[!]
The next step of the plan is to wait for the assets to fall into the public domain?

No, next step is re-start development from scratch calling it Chaos Chronicles Re-Re-born and it will be abandoned mid-development in 2029

New Kickstarter when? Assuming the scam reports there haven't barred him from using it. May have to move over to Fig or Gofundme or something.
 

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So, what you are saying guys is, that actually the developer was the bad guy all along? That there was no "capitalistically evil publisher vs talented, honorable and poor developer" kind of situation after all? But the developer's tried several times, I mean, that would suggest otherwise.
 
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I know what some people would have done. They would have hired some certain individuals who'd hack the storage with the game files, and they would release the unfinished game openly at teh bays. Then certain different other individuals would finish what was started because hackers like to do silly things in their past-time. We all know that. After that, certain totally different individuals would hack the certain different other individuals' storages, and, to everybody's immense surprise, they'd publish that at teh bays again! What are the chances of that!

...also some times later someone previously unmentioned, or unheard-of, would make a semi-large overhaul complemented with funny, original t-shirts, mugs and wine holders. You know, as a modding team in no way whatsoever affiliated to any of the not-mentioned parties.
Hey, you can't go around suggesting ways to circumvent the law, it makes you sound like me!
I wasn't suggesting anything (wait a second, my eye's got a twitching problem suddenly, ...ok, there...)!
 
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So, what you are saying guys is, that actually the developer was the bad guy all along? That there was no "capitalistically evil publisher vs talented, honorable and poor developer" kind of situation after all? But the developer's tried several times, I mean, that would suggest otherwise.

HobGoblin should have chosen his business partner more carefully.
 

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HobGoblin should have chosen his business partner more carefully.
After two projects failed pretty much in the same way, I'm getting extremely suspicious of the "poor judgment/bad luck" argument.
Where there's smoke there's fire and all that shit.

Poor Hobgoblin, it's crazy how he ends up in these projects that collect investment funds and then have nothing to show for any of it. When will he finally catch a break? :hahano:
 

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HobGoblin should have chosen his business partner more carefully.
After two projects failed pretty much in the same way, I'm getting extremely suspicious of the "poor judgment/bad luck" argument.
Where there's smoke there's fire and all that shit.

Poor Hobgoblin, it's crazy how he ends up in these projects that collect investment funds and then have nothing to show for any of it. When will he finally catch a break? :hahano:

Yep, he's as bad as his partner. My point was more aimed towards people claiming he was blameless and it was all on his partner.

Even if hypothetically HobGoblin didn't set out to scam people, he still had full control over who he did business with.
 

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HobGoblin should have chosen his business partner more carefully.
After two projects failed pretty much in the same way, I'm getting extremely suspicious of the "poor judgment/bad luck" argument.
Where there's smoke there's fire and all that shit.

Poor Hobgoblin, it's crazy how he ends up in these projects that collect investment funds and then have nothing to show for any of it. When will he finally catch a break? :hahano:

Yep, he's as bad as his partner. My point was more aimed towards people claiming he was blameless and it was all on his partner.

Even if hypothetically HobGoblin didn't set out to scam people, he still had full control over who he did business with.

Oh I fully trust incompetence and not ill will was at play here. Massive, astronomical, tank-three-projects levels of incompetence
 

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Oh I fully trust incompetence and not ill will was at play here. Massive, astronomical, tank-three-projects levels of incompetence

Maybe. Still a good reason not to give him any money. He should go work at McDonald's or something more suited to his aptitude level.
 

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Oh I fully trust incompetence and not ill will was at play here. Massive, astronomical, tank-three-projects levels of incompetence

Still a good reason not to give him any money.

You have to view my comments in this thread in a very optimistic light to think I was arguing for that. I'm the one who argued against giving money to even The Realms Beyond kickstarter because even back when they launched I warned about feature creep and a team that hadn't proven itself capable of managing a schedule. I had a discussion with JF about exactly that.
 

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HobGoblin should have chosen his business partner more carefully.
After two projects failed pretty much in the same way, I'm getting extremely suspicious of the "poor judgment/bad luck" argument.
Where there's smoke there's fire and all that shit.
Wouldn't mind to see him in courtroom over fraud, to be honest. If he is proven innocent, his reputation will be restored and I might even pledge again.
 

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Oh I fully trust incompetence and not ill will was at play here. Massive, astronomical, tank-three-projects levels of incompetence

Still a good reason not to give him any money.

You have to view my comments in this thread in a very optimistic light to think I was arguing for that. I'm the one who argued against giving money to even The Realms Beyond kickstarter because even back when they launched I warned about feature creep and a team that hadn't proven itself capable of managing a schedule. I had a discussion with JF about exactly that.

No, I didn't think you were. My point is simply that I don't particularly care whether the guy is massively incompetent or actually has criminal intent. I think he should go fuck himself. :love:
 

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Look, even if you were to say, oh, well his heart was in the right place. He just wanted to make a good CRPG but his scheduling sucks. What about the massive amount of time when he was giving the story that oh, my 50% partner isn't answering my calls or anything. Nothing I can do! Guess I'll just lose everything again!

Yeah, bullshit.
 

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I'm the one who argued against giving money to even The Realms Beyond kickstarter because even back when they launched I warned about feature creep and a team that hadn't proven itself capable of managing a schedule.
I think people should be legally allowed to pledge to a Kickstarter project only if the developer already published at least one (1) game they liked. I follow this rule to the letter and, so far, my only regret is not having supported Solasta.

Look, even if you were to say, oh, well his heart was in the right place. He just wanted to make a good CRPG but his scheduling sucks. What about the massive amount of time when he was giving the story that oh, my 50% partner isn't answering my calls or anything. Nothing I can do! Guess I'll just lose everything again!

Yeah, bullshit.
His heart may have been in the right place 5 years ago, but he has been bullshitting his customers on Discord for more than a year now. The whole "ghost CEO" plotline was so fucking lame.
 

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I'm the one who argued against giving money to even The Realms Beyond kickstarter because even back when they launched I warned about feature creep and a team that hadn't proven itself capable of managing a schedule.
I think people should be legally allowed to pledge to a Kickstarter project only if the developer already published at least one (1) game they liked. I follow this rule to the letter and, so far, my only regret is not having supported Solasta.

That rule let me to be satisfied with not supporting Solasta :smug:
 
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