Vapourware Realms Beyond: Ashes of the Fallen - Chaos Chronicles reborn and dead again

[Sinatar]

3rd edition multiclass/prestige system is the drizzling shits, so anything they do to improve that is a net positive.

 

[Dorateen]

The good news is I prefer pre-3rd edition AD&D and Wizardry 7 style class changing.

The bad news is, getting this thing funded will be an uphill battle.

 

[BEvers]

More on prestige:

We still have a lot work to do until our advanced class system is properly designed, but it should definitely include some of the benefits multi-classing offers.

In contrast to the basic classes, our prestige/advance classes will also have a very close link to the world and its cultures/religions. Some advanced classes will be only available to members of a specific race/culture/religion/gender (e.g. a seeress is only for females from the north, a bishop only for males from the central kingdoms etc.).

 

[Jenkem]

If she is the lady in the picture above I hope not for her sake. She looks too nice to have her soul destroyed.

She is a pagan, so her soul is already destroyed.

 

[Roqua]

Why are you still mentioning SCL, those modifications were extensive. They basically only kept party play and names of classes, everything else was different.
If you watched any of the gameplay videos from RB, it is clear this game is very true to D&D rules.

I don't understand how you can consider removing multiclassing and inventing a whole new prc system isn't extensive. It is.
The two games that had significant changes to a D&D system both were not good. POR:ROMD (due to changing from AD&D to 3e) and Sword Coats Legends (5e). The games that made significant changes to combat had shitty, no thinking, click and watch combat - IE games, Kotors, NWNs, Drakensangs, etc. KotC was good for an indie game that gutted 3.5e. It had good content but by gutting all the things that would have made it great it is merely good for a super indie game. LMA is not my kind of game but I would have enjoyed it more if they didn't invent their own edition of D20.

Since ToEE I've been looking for a game that had the same true implementation of 3.4e. I thought this would be it. I now know it isn't.

You are on record liking games with significant changes from the core material. For me - it doesn't work out very well. You guys all like stupid shit - I don't. You guys trust unproven devs to make significant and extensive changes to the established rpg systems they use as a bait and switch - I don't.

Telling me I shouldn't worry about the think that literally make me excited about the game being not true is silly. Do I tell you that you shouldn't be worried about things you worry about?

I think everyone would all resoundingly agree I have scientifically proven impeccable taste in rpgs - if anything people should be worried about what I am worried about.

 

[aweigh]

is this that nazi game i read about?

 

[Jenkem]

i cant even find this game on kickstarter how are they supposed to get funding if you cant even find this game on kickstarter

 

[Ranarama]

i cant even find this game on kickstarter how are they supposed to get funding if you cant even find this game on kickstarter

"Kickstarter in October"

 

[Chaotic_Heretic]

I am not worried about the new prc system they have much.

More worried about librul agenda seeping into the game.

Looking at how cucked @hobgobin42 is, the chances of the newpink haired SJW hire inserting terrible trannies and fabulous faggots into the game cause diversity is much more worrying.

 

[ArchAngel]

Why are you still mentioning SCL, those modifications were extensive. They basically only kept party play and names of classes, everything else was different.
If you watched any of the gameplay videos from RB, it is clear this game is very true to D&D rules.

I don't understand how you can consider removing multiclassing and inventing a whole new prc system isn't extensive. It is.
The two games that had significant changes to a D&D system both were not good. POR:ROMD (due to changing from AD&D to 3e) and Sword Coats Legends (5e). The games that made significant changes to combat had shitty, no thinking, click and watch combat - IE games, Kotors, NWNs, Drakensangs, etc. KotC was good for an indie game that gutted 3.5e. It had good content but by gutting all the things that would have made it great it is merely good for a super indie game. LMA is not my kind of game but I would have enjoyed it more if they didn't invent their own edition of D20.

Since ToEE I've been looking for a game that had the same true implementation of 3.4e. I thought this would be it. I now know it isn't.

You are on record liking games with significant changes from the core material. For me - it doesn't work out very well. You guys all like stupid shit - I don't. You guys trust unproven devs to make significant and extensive changes to the established rpg systems they use as a bait and switch - I don't.

Telling me I shouldn't worry about the think that literally make me excited about the game being not true is silly. Do I tell you that you shouldn't be worried about things you worry about?

I think everyone would all resoundingly agree I have scientifically proven impeccable taste in rpgs - if anything people should be worried about what I am worried about.

Go away YES!

 

[thesheeep]

Roqua Go an play with D20Pro.

 

[imweasel]

is this that nazi game i read about?

They also fired JarlFrank because he wasn't a real Nazi. He fooled them for a while, but the company Gestapo finally uncovered his scheming.

 

[BEvers]

Update:

I don't want to edit my earlier post, but I need to clarify and to correct a part of it (edited the quote here): Our prestige class system derives first and foremost from the SRD 3.5e but since we neither use Forgotten Realms nor Pathfinder, we have to come up with our own classes including the required spells/feats/skills.
And in that regard, my personal favorite is Wizardry 7 (despite the fact that W7 had a completely different approach to classes anyway).
Since I am not the only system designer here and the design of our advanced class system is actually far from being completed, so, at this stage of development, I shouldn't have commented on prestige classes at all

 

[deuxhero]

Myabe that portable tactics game? I played that after the last time I played POR:ROMD but I couldn't get into it, and if I forgot ROMD had it I can't trust my memory for that.

Yeah, no multiclassing in that. Game is blatantly half finished in general. Once you get to the Silk Road stage (which at least is somewhat interesting with its terrain and the sheer number of low level enemies thrown at you, unlike the future stages) the game doesn't even have level appropriate monsters to throw at you so everything dies quickly. Psions are in the game, but so few powers were implemented they will quickly run out of powers to learn. Lots of stuff like that.

 

[BEvers]

Interview with the leader:

 

[deuxhero]

He says Ultima and the interviewer posts the Game Boy game Runes of Virtue of all things?
A bit after 4 mins in it (according to german that has been speeched to text then google translated) there's mention of NPC companions. At 7:40 on he mentions new classes being possible with the editor.

 

[Roqua]

Go away YES!

Touche!

Well reasoned. Very well argued. I applaud your great points that have completely refuted everything I said.

Nothing to worry about folks! The guy questioning a very, very stupid development decision that will 100% result in a lesser game (that can still be good and worth playing, but still a much lesser product than it could be if they just implemented fucking 3.5 accurately) was told to go away. Once all is quiet on the western front no one need worry about anything. If no one cares about extremely bad decisions a game makes that will relegate it to the forgot dung heaps of games even if it is funded - who cares? Its not like anyone posting an rpg site could ever want good crpgs to play that will stay in their library as a favorite for all time or anything.

 

[BEvers]

Another Interview:

 

[Infinitron]

Hobgob looks younger than I expected (he's credited on videogames since 1995). He must have gotten his foot in the industry at a rather young age.

Did no English-language outlet interview them, though? I want something I can post on the front page.

 

[BEvers]

RPGWatch will have an english text, but they are taking their time.

 

[imweasel]

Hobgob looks younger than I expected

He looks over 40, he just has a low-T soy boy babyface.

 

[Ezeekiel]

Hobgob looks younger than I expected (he's credited on videogames since 1995). He must have gotten his foot in the industry at a rather young age.

Did no English-language outlet interview them, though? I want something I can post on the front page.

I have it on good authority that this is simultaneously a Nazi site as well as a Jewish op and a foot fetish porn site on top of that.
Proper Nazis and proper Jews both speak German, so what's the issue with a German interview on the front page exactly? Hell, most of the world's foot fetishists probably speak German as well or something.

Are you trying to make this site seem like something it isn't?

 

[Ezeekiel]

Also, I just looked at Guido Henkel's twitter page and... Yeesh.
I'm keeping my fucking money, sry JarlFrank.

 

[Infinitron]

Guido Henkel is not working on this game.

 

[Ezeekiel]

Guido Henkel is not working on this game.

Hobgoblin is, though.

(Edit: Why did I think Henkel was working on it, though? Hm.)