Reasons Why Younger Gamers Don't Get Older RPGs?.

[Denim Destroyer]

I cannot think of any period of time where the youth were known for their deep insights and patrician tastes. Typically these things originate through years of experimentation which is not possible for someone of few years to have. Now there is an argument to be made about the importance of exposing young people to high quality media but what can be considered "high quality" is going to be hard to define. Perhaps what would be best is to gather a wide, yet diverse, group of games to expose to children at a young age.

 

[AscendedFlames]

I cannot think of any period of time where the youth were known for their deep insights and patrician tastes. Typically these things originate through years of experimentation which is not possible for someone of few years to have. Now there is an argument to be made about the importance of exposing young people to high quality media but what can be considered "high quality" is going to be hard to define. Perhaps what would be best is to gather a wide, yet diverse, group of games to expose to children at a young age.

But this is where the problem arises, while our generation tried new things due to our inherent nature and appetite, the younger generation of today actively avoid it. They group themselves into their safe spaces in social medias and discords and never try out new things outside of what their little group deems acceptable. I believe it's a phenomenon of the education system, the current technological landscape and just societal in general.

 

[BosanskiSeljak]

But this is where the problem arises, while our generation tried new things due to our inherent nature and appetite, the younger generation of today actively avoid it. They group themselves into their safe spaces in social medias and discords and never try out new things outside of what their little group deems acceptable. I believe it's a phenomenon of the education system, the current technological landscape and just societal in general.

It's also because you're witnessing terminally online kiddies. Growing up as early zoomer + poor, and even going to high school in disgusting west I was never exposed to any of this bullshit you see online today that's connected to zoomers. I can think of one example, a rich girl who went to an art school, the only person out of thousands I've known who was anywhere near the bullshit of today (i.e. spoiled af, pronoun, gender fluid shit).

It's a mix of failing parenting by the generation raising zoomers (and younger), how rich/poor you are, the country you're in and even what era you grew up in as a zoomer. There is a pretty stark divide with people born before and after 2004 (a cut off point I use) because it's the last generation which had a proper childhood and weren't raised by ipads.

 

[grimace]

13-18 year olds are going to play new release games and talk about them with their friends

 

[dreughjiggers]

13-18 year olds

Fucking plebs.

 

[holla_cabezas_de_mierda]

My nephew got a PC and I really hoped he would find his way to some epic gaming like I did. But it was a shitshow for him and he ended not using the PC after a few years and just plays his Xbox with friends sometimes. Even that he isn't interested in. He was gaming on iphone, tablet and consoles since he was a baby but just lost interest even though he's about 15 and even with a top of the line PC they wasted their money on. He barely even played anything on it, the latest CoD, Minecraft and a few other big name shits. I had thousands of suggestions and he had no interest in any of them and none his friends knew anything about any of them, he didn't even want to try anything I talked about or look into it. And if I suggested something like maybe try Arma instead of CoD he would look at the graphics and say it looks worse. I would try to argue it's a better game even if the graphics aren't as a nice and he just thought it was some old shit because it didn't look as good. I tried to explain that he loved Minecraft even though that was ugly and basic but I don't think he even understood my point.

To be fair I didn't really try very much, I should have given him games and sat and played stuff with him but he lives too far away. And at some point I felt like I was bullying him trying to get him to enjoy something he wasn't interested in. When I was a kid I was desperate to try everything so nobody had to talk me into anything, but for him it is the opposite.

Zoomers play video game that's called: Social Media. That's their entertainment, that's their culture, that's their life. Web 2.0. Instagram - Tiktok - SnapChat triangle. Nothing mysterious or hard to understand about them, as generation. Zoomies are also incredibly tech illiterate, to the point that when they see someone with laptop and black box of windows command prompt with green letters on it, they are scared that you'll hack their brainz or somethin. Don't worry little Zoom-Zooms, there's nothing to hack up there

its funny when the news calls them "the most tech literate generation EVER!" because the news thinks constantly staring at your phone means you are 'tech literate'. Would be like calling me a master repairman because I drive my car around all the time. I have no idea how my car works and little johnny has zero idea how to use a computer or any technology.

 

[NecroLord]

But this is where the problem arises, while our generation tried new things due to our inherent nature and appetite, the younger generation of today actively avoid it. They group themselves into their safe spaces in social medias and discords and never try out new things outside of what their little group deems acceptable. I believe it's a phenomenon of the education system, the current technological landscape and just societal in general.

Based and redpilled.
As I have said in the past, games becoming mainstream was a major mistake. It used to be a nerd only hobby.

 

[octavius]

I cannot think of any period of time where the youth were known for their deep insights and patrician tastes.

The closest may be the period 1965 to 1973 when more progressive music was made by and listened to by young people, and the top prog bands sold millions of records. And LSD gave "deep insights".

 

[sosmoflux]

After reading much retardation concerning the venerable IE games and how modern gamers "Can't into them" it struck me that there may be a reason(s) beyond decline, lowered IQ, and general spastication.

My main conclusion is this: I doubt modern gamers have read a book in their life. I had an entire collection of books (from pocket money and jobs) when I was a teen. It developed my imagination. So when I played BG, I wasn't playing a RPG with 'barren maps and no feedback' I was playing a game with a character that represented my alter ego in the FR. And a character that I built within it. That character was built around characters I had identified with in the books I read.

Without writing pages...you'd get it if you're my generation or older. And read books as a kid. But younger gamers seem to need that...prior imaginative blueprint. Like flashing images and 1 sentence responses from social media that continuously tell them who their character is.

And without that - they think older games are boring.

After reading the thread title I was gonna pretty much say what you said but you've already nailed it.
It's absolutely the lack of imagination.

 

[anvi]

My nephew got a PC and I really hoped he would find his way to some epic gaming like I did. But it was a shitshow for him and he ended not using the PC after a few years and just plays his Xbox with friends sometimes. Even that he isn't interested in. He was gaming on iphone, tablet and consoles since he was a baby but just lost interest even though he's about 15 and even with a top of the line PC they wasted their money on. He barely even played anything on it, the latest CoD, Minecraft and a few other big name shits. I had thousands of suggestions and he had no interest in any of them and none his friends knew anything about any of them, he didn't even want to try anything I talked about or look into it. And if I suggested something like maybe try Arma instead of CoD he would look at the graphics and say it looks worse. I would try to argue it's a better game even if the graphics aren't as a nice and he just thought it was some old shit because it didn't look as good. I tried to explain that he loved Minecraft even though that was ugly and basic but I don't think he even understood my point.

To be fair I didn't really try very much, I should have given him games and sat and played stuff with him but he lives too far away. And at some point I felt like I was bullying him trying to get him to enjoy something he wasn't interested in. When I was a kid I was desperate to try everything so nobody had to talk me into anything, but for him it is the opposite.

Zoomers play video game that's called: Social Media. That's their entertainment, that's their culture, that's their life. Web 2.0. Instagram - Tiktok - SnapChat triangle. Nothing mysterious or hard to understand about them, as generation. Zoomies are also incredibly tech illiterate, to the point that when they see someone with laptop and black box of windows command prompt with green letters on it, they are scared that you'll hack their brainz or somethin. Don't worry little Zoom-Zooms, there's nothing to hack up there

I keep forgetting that just because I learned something 30 years ago when it seemed important, doesn't mean new kids will absorb all that info. Also I see kids growing up with phones and tablets and online and you do assume they are tech literate. But it's the opposite really. Phones have just convinced them they are tech people but really they are just pushing colored buttons of a toy.

My niece has only ever had an iphone, her entire 20 year life. She has no idea what Android even is. Let alone nokia, windows, or anything else. My nephew who is textbook zoomer and always wearing his white bluetooth earpods and swiping at his phone or ipad, asked me how much memory my phone has. They ask me about my phone with a smirk because it's Android and they think I don't have an iphone because I'm cheap. Anyway I told them about the memory and they laughed and said theirs has 256 or whatever. I had to explain the difference between memory and storage. They only half believed me.

 

[turkishronin]

Most older games have terrible gameplay. Worst offenders are IE games. wtf is RTwP? You either go full real time or turn-based. It's obvious they were trying to get the Command and Conquer audience. Why would Zoomers play such outdated games when many better ones are available?

 

[Axioms]

Most older games have terrible gameplay. Worst offenders are IE games. wtf is RTwP? You either go full real time or turn-based. It's obvious they were trying to get the Command and Conquer audience. Why would Zoomers play such outdated games when many better ones are available?

Shockingly based take coming from you.

 

[Chippy]

Most older games have terrible gameplay. Worst offenders are IE games. wtf is RTwP? You either go full real time or turn-based. It's obvious they were trying to get the Command and Conquer audience. Why would Zoomers play such outdated games when many better ones are available?

Like what?.

 

[ADULF HITLOR FAN KLUB]

Most older games have terrible gameplay. Worst offenders are IE games. wtf is RTwP? You either go full real time or turn-based.

You can actually play Baldur's Gate completely in real time if you have enough skill. BG would probably even be a real time game like Diablo if it weren't party-based.

That considered, only on the Codex are party-based games with real-time combat considered to be decline. Codexers enjoy complaining about zoomers around here, but I swear that whining boomers with carpal tunnel syndrome, declining motor skills and a diminishing ability to track fast moving objects, are substantially worse.

 

[BosanskiSeljak]

with carpal tunnel syndrome, declining motor skills and a diminishing ability to track fast moving objects, are substantially worse.

That's the thing though, I'm not playing these games for some watered down real-time action combat, no zoomers are. In fact, the people with the lowest video game IQ I see are millennial retards who play action RPGs (and I'd take a wager that millennials are the biggest demographic for these decline rpgs)

Zoomers are cracked at shit like fortnite with an insane number of inputs per second. The real-time RPGs serve no challenge to them (and anecdotally, 99% of them think they're boring anyways). Hell, I'm insane at FPS and that transfered over to all these action RPGs (+ action roguelikes), not once have I struggled with them (the vast majority, I'm not saying 100% of ARPGs are extremely easy).

So yes, it's 100% decline because 99% of the games have shit real-time or action mechanics.

 

[Jrpgfan]

Reasons Why Younger Gamers Don't Get Older RPGs?.​

Retardation.
Lack of mental capabilities.
Cretinism.
Imbecility.

The list goes on.

Games were a niche hobby back then so far fewer people were playing them. With the massive increase of their popularity you naturally get a lot more morons playing them now. On top of that games have become a lot more expensive to make which means you have to reach a bigger market and a good chunk of the market are idiots. As George Carlin once said, imagine how stupid the average person is and realize that half the population is even dumber than them.

Not to mention RPGs were never really popular even back then, especially western ones.

People ITT say it like 99% of the older gamers were into cRPGs which couldn't be further from the truth.

 

[dreughjiggers]

Most older games have terrible gameplay. Worst offenders are IE games. wtf is RTwP? You either go full real time or turn-based. It's obvious they were trying to get the Command and Conquer audience. Why would Zoomers play such outdated games when many better ones are available?

If its just gameplay, why haven't I met any babes 18-25 playing Thief and System Shock on grandpa's pentium 4?

 

[Orud]

In the future I think very few of the younger generation will think out solutions to problems or create. They will just ask some AI bot.

Well, yes. I've seen this first hand with the new generation of programmers; they usually don't know low level language stuff but are more used to certain frameworks/libraries that automate all that stuff for them. I use those libraries too, and I advise against anyone trying to reinvent the wheel again, but I know how they work. If something breaks, the younger generations often don't even know where to start, while at the same stage in my carreer I at least had an inkling of where to start.

Same is true for my generation though; programming languages have gotten easier too and a lot of the stuff that previous generations had to deal with are unknown bare-metal territory for me.

 

[mondblut]

The answers is actually really simple and I can prove it to you asking a different question which will have the very same answer.

What's the reason most Codexers didn't play Prelude to Darkness?

Never heard of it, for starters.

Have you tried clicking the "Hosted RPG Forums" link?

 

[Ash]

Do you watch any movies from the black & white era? Why not?
what about if they were remastered w/ color? Still likely not eh?

For games it's a completely different situation as old games (not just RPGs) are considerably better, but this should help visualize the mentality.

Not only is the visual experience a major factor, the other is it is actually quite an esoteric understanding that old games are better, even if it is objective truth (which it is).

To understand that old games are generally better, you have to meet the following criteria:

1. Most importantly, have played A LOT of old games. Preferably across the entire spectrum (PC, Consoles, to a lesser extent handheld).
2. Ideally, were alive and gaming in the golden age (1990-2005 or so). Why this in addition to point #1? Because certain standards, such as level of tolerance for the less finer aspects of old school gaming (e.g imperfect controls), were not formed yet. A classic can be utterly monocled across the board and yet have non-standard controls which can present itself as a major roadblock going in with a modern perspective.
3. Not be a sissy cuck bitch. Old games are largely better because of gameplay design. Other things too, but gameplay was largely the big one. If you are a storyfaggot or graphics whore, older games don't exactly jump out. Sure older stories are generally also better, but modern ones are fully animated and voice acted, and older games often feature numerous "barriers" to bypass to enjoy their story, such as gameplay that actually demands something of the player. This should not be a barrier in the first place, but some men are mentally defect. Why the fuck would you play a game if you don't hold gameplay in the highest regard, as it is what makes up the majority of a game's running time. Clearly, no self-respect; don't value their own time.

The odds are slim for gen Z to see the light. In addition to older graphics and certain obstacles such as controls, they also have to bypass:

-To have the critical thinking ability to sense something is very, very wrong with most modern games
-To be open minded and hear other people when they point you to older games (of which there are not many hardcore gaming elders to steer the younguns correct). It is natural thinking to assume new > old, if there isn't an influence to show you otherwise.
-To not fall for peer pressure (all their friends are playing GTAV, Fortnite and Minecraft).
-The media machine. Game journos. Game events. Game marketing. None of this says old > new. Because that would not benefit the industry of course.
-To overcome their overall conditioning, having grown up with absolute sellout trash across the board, not just games: reality TV, dumb internet fads, retarded influencers, participation awards, mobile gaming, social media decline, modern Hollywood and so forth. Absolute decline.
-A large portion of Millenials and Gen X actually think modern > classic too. Straight-up retards. Even many on this very forum. There is no escaping these imbeciles they're everywhere. I don't blame gen z too much, they simply don't know better. But older generations should. If they don't they should hand in their gaming card, they're a disgrace to the absolute art achieved with classic gaming. I hate that I have to share a space with them if I want to talk gaming.

Most older games have terrible gameplay.

Completely, utterly wrong, imbecile. Hand in your gaming card, you failed the lore check.

Worst offenders are IE games. wtf is RTwP? You either go full real time or turn-based. It's obvious they were trying to get the Command and Conquer audience. Why would Zoomers play such outdated games when many better ones are available?

Now that is true to some extent, but IE games don't make up "most older games", they make up 0.001% of older games.

 

[Butter]

I'm reminded of talking to people about Ocarina of Time a number of years ago. You're all free to dunk on it for being a console game or being easy or whatever, that's not really the point. Just about every Zelda fan has gone back and played it (if they didn't play it when it was new), and almost always they have a *negative* reaction to the Water Temple. For my money this was the absolute highlight of the game, because it demanded the player keep a working memory of a somewhat large three-dimensional space and understand how changing the water level affected navigation around that space. It was a welcome change from the trivially easy dungeons that made up the rest of the game, and it never actually went too far in difficulty.

But for most people this was unforgivable. They had gotten used to playing with their brains shut off, and any sudden challenge was something to moan about rather than relish. I wanted a game full of Water Temples (which is more or less what Nintendo did with the follow-up, Majora's Mask, which is why I consider it the apex of the series). Other people wanted patronizing kiddie pool dungeons.

 

[ADULF HITLOR FAN KLUB]

RPGs were never really popular even back then, especially western ones.

People ITT say it like 99% of the older gamers were into cRPGs which couldn't be further from the truth.

CRPGs were literally a dead genre by the mid 1990s, only to be single handedly revived by the Baldur's Gate series (Fallout was a critical success, but a commercial failure).

However, RPGs only started to become incredibly popular when "blockbusters" like Oblivion and Fallout 3 were released.

The truth hurts.

 

[RickOmbo]

Has it ever crossed your mind that those old games could be bad in general? Original Fallout is practically a visual novel if you don't classify inventory management and that P&C combat as a gameplay.
IE games are better as games, at least there is some versatility to the combat system. But I find the combat encounter design lacking. You just fight hordes of enemies in forgettable encounters.
Can' t blame zoomers here honestly. Even if they can enjoy the writing and the worlds of the games they still need to get through the slog that the combat is. And the lack of eye candy doesn't make it any easier for new people to keep playing the games.

 

[KeighnMcDeath]

People don't like old movies or B/W movies/TV shows? I still watch the 3 stooges and they're jews & B/W.

 

[holla_cabezas_de_mierda]

I watch black and white movies, Treasure of the Sierra Madre comes to mind, and I would be annoyed if if were colorized. I even enjoyed it when I was young. Original twilight Zone Show as well. There are quite a few.