Reasons Why Younger Gamers Don't Get Older RPGs?.

[POOPERSCOOPER]

When I got an iphone in 2007-2008 I was using it on the college campus to visit RPGcodex to call people faggots.

 

[Hammer Of The Heretics]

This GenXer is reading the Codex on a tablet right now. He also uses it as his primary platform for reading books.

 

[Bad Sector]

and they happened to people who played said games at the time. They just didn't have any alternatives so they dealt with it.

This is really 80% of the reason most old games were played in the first place. When i was a kid i had a handful of games on my PC and that was it. Sometimes some demo or shareware game from a magazine might work on the ancient PC i had, but even then they were just incomplete games.

Nowadays there are just way more options available. Even on Steam alone since 2018 there are more releases per year than the entirety of DOS games in Mobygames since 1981.

 

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I hope some people can see that old games were better in terms of gameplay, even if there are some bad parts like controls and UI, old graphics etc.

I am playing NWN at the moment and I love some aspects of it, but it's infuriating how fucking terrible the loot is. I really want to physically assault whoever is responsible for it, but it's partly the public's fault for not complaining about it sooner. Every 10 feet I travel a fucking barrel or chest or crate. And each has a few gold coins in. They even have a fucking chest with a trap and then needs lock picking, and inside is 3g. It's the most weird and retarded and insultingly bad thing. I hated it when the game was new but looking back it looks more odd than anything. I would love to know if they thought people would enjoy that or if it was deliberately to waste the players time and add more length to it.

I love the game besides that but it's a big problem.

Sounds like you're playing the OC. That's an OC problem, skip it, it sucks. Play the expansions, from memory they don't have that problem, or modules which are better anyways and definitely don't have that problem.

 

[monilloman]

Reasons Why Younger Gamers Don't Get Older RPGs?.​

Because very few people get into things past their time unless passed by their elder, movies, music, series, comics, gaming, you name it. Thinking and expecting otherwise is just being stuck on the times.

 

[MLMarkland]

When I got an iphone in 2007-2008 I was using it on the college campus to visit RPGcodex to call people faggots.

Can confirm poster’s story

 

[MLMarkland]

Reasons Why Younger Gamers Don't Get Older RPGs?.​

Because very few people get into things past their time unless passed by their elder, movies, music, series, comics, gaming, you name it. Thinking and expecting otherwise is just being stuck on the times.

This doesn’t explain the popularity of Marvel movies. Boomers didn’t pass down an interest in comic books to their kids generally speaking, and their kids are not the target demographic for comic book movies, the kids of gen x are the target demo, and we didn’t read comic books and didn’t know anyone who did.

 

[MLMarkland]

I hope some people can see that old games were better in terms of gameplay, even if there are some bad parts like controls and UI, old graphics etc.

I am playing NWN at the moment and I love some aspects of it, but it's infuriating how fucking terrible the loot is. I really want to physically assault whoever is responsible for it, but it's partly the public's fault for not complaining about it sooner. Every 10 feet I travel a fucking barrel or chest or crate. And each has a few gold coins in. They even have a fucking chest with a trap and then needs lock picking, and inside is 3g. It's the most weird and retarded and insultingly bad thing. I hated it when the game was new but looking back it looks more odd than anything. I would love to know if they thought people would enjoy that or if it was deliberately to waste the players time and add more length to it.

I love the game besides that but it's a big problem.

Sounds like you're playing the OC. That's an OC problem, skip it, it sucks. Play the expansions, from memory they don't have that problem, or modules which are better anyways and definitely don't have that problem.

Ferret was quite a problem with the OC on NWN

 

[Mortmal]

Reasons Why Younger Gamers Don't Get Older RPGs?.​

Because very few people get into things past their time unless passed by their elder, movies, music, series, comics, gaming, you name it. Thinking and expecting otherwise is just being stuck on the times.

This doesn’t explain the popularity of Marvel movies. Boomers didn’t pass down an interest in comic books to their kids generally speaking, and their kids are not the target demographic for comic book movies, the kids of gen x are the target demo, and we didn’t read comic books and didn’t know anyone who did.

Kids play with lego marvel , pc and consoles games. Then there's some lego marvel movies and tv shows too. That's how they get into that brand. Not with any comic book, again an object alien to them.

 

[MLMarkland]

Reasons Why Younger Gamers Don't Get Older RPGs?.​

Because very few people get into things past their time unless passed by their elder, movies, music, series, comics, gaming, you name it. Thinking and expecting otherwise is just being stuck on the times.

This doesn’t explain the popularity of Marvel movies. Boomers didn’t pass down an interest in comic books to their kids generally speaking, and their kids are not the target demographic for comic book movies, the kids of gen x are the target demo, and we didn’t read comic books and didn’t know anyone who did.

Kids play with lego marvel , pc and consoles games. Then there's some lego marvel movies and tv shows too. That's how they get into that brand. Not with any comic book, again an object alien to them.

That is a reasonable guess, but it doesn’t explain millenials (maybe it will prove to be predictive of zoomers).

The dates don’t line up with the data:

1) LEGO Super Hero constructor set line was introduced in 2011, only 12 years ago.

2) I can’t think of a single well selling video game based on a superhero in 2000-2011. This decade was dominated by Call of Duty, Wii Sports, Mario brand, some RPGs, Rock Band/Guitar Hero, GTA, etc. I started working in the game business 2006-2007. I can’t recall a single super hero game that did numbers sufficient to change what people watched at the theater. VG Charts can confirm this for any random person.

 

[Pompey]

Kids play with lego marvel , pc and consoles games. Then there's some lego marvel movies and tv shows too. That's how they get into that brand. Not with any comic book, again an object alien to them.

The thing is that people who get into the lego games usually stay with the lego games. Same with marvel movies. Very few people went from watching the Iron Man movies to reading the myriad of Iron Man comics and the comics of other Marvel properties. Watching a movie or a TV show is a different experience than reading a comic book.

 

[KeighnMcDeath]

I dunno why kids don't play "splat the rat" "rake the forest". "Mow the lawn". "Pull the weeds". And the ever awesome "PAINT THE HOUSE!"

FUCK YEAH!!

 

[MLMarkland]

I dunno why kids don't play "splat the rat" "rake the forest". "Mow the lawn". "Pull the weeds". And the ever awesome "PAINT THE HOUSE!"

FUCK YEAH!!

Paint the house
Shoot the shotgun
Mow the lawn

All excellent hardcore games in 1980s Texas.

 

[KeighnMcDeath]

I have a bro in law about 12 years younger. I think he plays "Drink the dew" "munch on junk food" and "play ps5 and xbox. Maybe he takes time for Nintendo. Not like i've seen my sis or him in uh... 6-7 years.

 

[Skorpion]

I dunno why kids don't play "splat the rat" "rake the forest". "Mow the lawn". "Pull the weeds". And the ever awesome "PAINT THE HOUSE!"

FUCK YEAH!!

Paint the house
Shoot the shotgun
Mow the lawn

All excellent hardcore games in 1980s Texas.

Dont forget,
Listen to the soundtrack: ZZTop

 

[PorkyThePaladin]

To be fair, it would be difficult to go from playing modern games with beautiful graphics, advanced physics, established UIs, and various QoL stuff to play older games. Many of us have the perspective of having played through the decline, so that makes things different, but if you were younger, it would really be a difficult adjustment.

 

[KörangarTheMighty]

That is a reasonable guess, but it doesn’t explain millenials

Millennials grew up with the various DC animated series, X-men series and the early Marvel films like the OG Spiderman. I remember many a lunchbox plastered with that shit in the 90s, I was never into it, but I had cousins and friends who were. Superheroes have never stopped being the "current thing", their popularity waxed and waned in different periods, but they've been ever-present just moving to different mediums. Between the last of the "first gen" of Marvel films and the birth of the MCU is 1 short year and the MCU was made for millennials, not zoomers. The zoomers are just picking up the torch (for about 10 years now).

 

[MLMarkland]

That is a reasonable guess, but it doesn’t explain millenials

Millennials grew up with the various DC animated series, X-men series and the early Marvel films like the OG Spiderman. I remember many a lunchbox plastered with that shit in the 90s, I was never into it, but I had cousins and friends who were. Superheroes have never stopped being the "current thing", their popularity waxed and waned in different periods, but they've been ever-present just moving to different mediums. Between the last of the "first gen" of Marvel films and the birth of the MCU is 1 short year and the MCU was made for millennials, not zoomers. The zoomers are just picking up the torch (for about 10 years now).

This is reasonable to me.

It’s still a mystery to my generation. Comic book inspired stuff was nearly non-existent for gen x. I don’t recall it being popular in any format or with any product, during any age or decade.

We were the target audience for every new video game for decades, which might explain the total perceived lack of comic book related IP for a long time. Hollywood and game business weren’t even pretending to try and cooperate when I arrived in SoCal in the Aughts.

 

[Mortmal]

That is a reasonable guess, but it doesn’t explain millenials

Millennials grew up with the various DC animated series, X-men series and the early Marvel films like the OG Spiderman. I remember many a lunchbox plastered with that shit in the 90s, I was never into it, but I had cousins and friends who were. Superheroes have never stopped being the "current thing", their popularity waxed and waned in different periods, but they've been ever-present just moving to different mediums. Between the last of the "first gen" of Marvel films and the birth of the MCU is 1 short year and the MCU was made for millennials, not zoomers. The zoomers are just picking up the torch (for about 10 years now).

This is reasonable to me.

It’s still a mystery to my generation. Comic book inspired stuff was nearly non-existent for gen x. I don’t recall it being popular in any format or with any product, during any age or decade.

We were the target audience for every new video game for decades, which might explain the total perceived lack of comic book related IP for a long time. Hollywood and game business weren’t even pretending to try and cooperate when I arrived in SoCal in the Aughts.

I dont know either, then, probably some show on tv , or some ads for the movie on youtube. Thats the only place they could encounter that license.

 

[KörangarTheMighty]

Comic book inspired stuff was nearly non-existent for gen x.

You guys had the original Superman films with Christopher Reeves, I'd also argue the original Batman movies with Michael Keaton were aimed at Gen X. As for games, there were a couple of them of them on the Atari 2600, but the majority on the following gens were awful for various reasons. I don't think they ever left the zeitgeist.

 

[anvi]

I hope some people can see that old games were better in terms of gameplay, even if there are some bad parts like controls and UI, old graphics etc.

I am playing NWN at the moment and I love some aspects of it, but it's infuriating how fucking terrible the loot is. I really want to physically assault whoever is responsible for it, but it's partly the public's fault for not complaining about it sooner. Every 10 feet I travel a fucking barrel or chest or crate. And each has a few gold coins in. They even have a fucking chest with a trap and then needs lock picking, and inside is 3g. It's the most weird and retarded and insultingly bad thing. I hated it when the game was new but looking back it looks more odd than anything. I would love to know if they thought people would enjoy that or if it was deliberately to waste the players time and add more length to it.

I love the game besides that but it's a big problem.

Sounds like you're playing the OC. That's an OC problem, skip it, it sucks. Play the expansions, from memory they don't have that problem, or modules which are better anyways and definitely don't have that problem.

Ferret was quite a problem with the OC on NWN

CH1 was a shitshow. I am enjoying CH2 though. Gonna finish the campaign then try Swordflight.

p.s. Speedhack is amaaazing for this game.

 

[MLMarkland]

Comic book inspired stuff was nearly non-existent for gen x.

You guys had the original Superman films with Christopher Reeves, I'd also argue the original Batman movies with Michael Keaton were aimed at Gen X. As for games, there were a couple of them of them on the Atari 2600, but the majority on the following gens were awful for various reasons. I don't think they ever left the zeitgeist.

I think the Superman movies may have targeted older gen x and young boomers, that was something that everyone in my half of the generation was too young to even be aware of — Batman was a little more relevant, we were old enough to go to a theater and maybe watch.

But GI Joe, riding bicycles until dark, beating on each other and camping / hunting / being outdoors, pretending to play sports and many other things (including 80s video games) occupied way more headspace for 1970s to early 80s birth years than a couple of one off comic book movies.

Hell, I think the fall of the Berlin Wall occupied more headspace than Batman.

I don’t think anyone my age would even reference Batman in day to day lives the way Batman/Joker are referenced in past decade.

I was on the internet early, but most people my age weren’t and didn’t have cell phones or even pagers when Batman came out.

That’s still the era of “call people on a landline and meet somewhere, or just go to the regular spot”

 

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I hope some people can see that old games were better in terms of gameplay, even if there are some bad parts like controls and UI, old graphics etc.

I am playing NWN at the moment and I love some aspects of it, but it's infuriating how fucking terrible the loot is. I really want to physically assault whoever is responsible for it, but it's partly the public's fault for not complaining about it sooner. Every 10 feet I travel a fucking barrel or chest or crate. And each has a few gold coins in. They even have a fucking chest with a trap and then needs lock picking, and inside is 3g. It's the most weird and retarded and insultingly bad thing. I hated it when the game was new but looking back it looks more odd than anything. I would love to know if they thought people would enjoy that or if it was deliberately to waste the players time and add more length to it.

I love the game besides that but it's a big problem.

Sounds like you're playing the OC. That's an OC problem, skip it, it sucks. Play the expansions, from memory they don't have that problem, or modules which are better anyways and definitely don't have that problem.

Ferret was quite a problem with the OC on NWN

CH1 was a shitshow. I am enjoying CH2 though. Gonna finish the campaign then try Swordflight.

p.s. Speedhack is amaaazing for this game.

I need to figure out how to use cheat engine for speed hacks, does it work basically like a speed up on an emulator?

I might have enjoyed the OC more if I had sped the shit out of it. Are you going to play through the expansions? Because on one hand, the expansions are significantly better, but if you finish the OC and play them you might get burnt out and end up not playing modules, which would be a real shame - and the expansions are not better then the majority of fan stuff.

I ended up doing that with Goldbox, ran through every D&D one before getting Unlimited Adventures, played one FRUA module that was 100% better then all but three or four goldbox games, and immediately got burnt out because I had played like 100 hours of goldbox games, never went back to FRUA modules again. That time spent playing Secret of the Silver Blades, Dark Queen of Krynn, Savage Frontier, etc, could have been spent on much better fan stuff.

Don't make my mistake

 

[octavius]

if you finish the OC and play them you might get burnt out and end up not playing modules, which would be a real shame - and the expansions are not better then the majority of fan stuff.

I ended up doing that with Goldbox, ran through every D&D one before getting Unlimited Adventures, played one FRUA module that was 100% better then all but three or four goldbox games, and immediately got burnt out because I had played like 100 hours of goldbox games, never went back to FRUA modules again. That time spent playing Secret of the Silver Blades, Dark Queen of Krynn, Savage Frontier, etc, could have been spent on much better fan stuff.

Don't make my mistake

Hmm...which module was that?
Unless you a storyfag, I don't think many FRUA modules are better than the GB games.

 

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if you finish the OC and play them you might get burnt out and end up not playing modules, which would be a real shame - and the expansions are not better then the majority of fan stuff.

I ended up doing that with Goldbox, ran through every D&D one before getting Unlimited Adventures, played one FRUA module that was 100% better then all but three or four goldbox games, and immediately got burnt out because I had played like 100 hours of goldbox games, never went back to FRUA modules again. That time spent playing Secret of the Silver Blades, Dark Queen of Krynn, Savage Frontier, etc, could have been spent on much better fan stuff.

Don't make my mistake

Hmm...which module was that?
Unless you a storyfag, I don't think many FRUA modules are better than the GB games.

Realms modules - in retrospect it was like... 3-4 modules but the first three were super short. Temple of Elemental Evil was far far better than Silver Blades, DQ Of Krynn, or Savage Frontiers. Fantastic dungeon crawl, challenging combat, rest restrictions, etc - loved it.