Community RPG Codex 2014 Role-Playing Game of the Year Awards

[tuluse]

Yes, but it was still enjoyed by more people than the two games above it.
And that's not the only merit, it also interested enough codexers to begin with to get that big number of people enjoying it.
Assumptions? Simple, it is assumed that the massive increase in votes is a result of anonymous lurkers.
It is assumed that some voters were trolls or spammers by their voting patterns and others were not
It assumes to know what the value of a non vote is.

It was enjoyed by a smaller percentage of the people who played it, or it was enjoyed less by the people who played it, or both.

 

[Onholyservicebound]

That doesn't change any of the things I said about this poll.

 

[shadow9d9]

3 in the top 10 from readers aren't even rpgs. 2 are roguelikes and one is a turn based strategy game, No M and M X? Heroine's quest falls off a cliff in the 3/4th chapter. The puzzles become utterly inane. It was great til then.

 

[Jaesun]

3 in the top 10 from readers aren't even rpgs. 2 are roguelikes and one is a turn based strategy game, No M and M X? Heroine's quest falls off a cliff in the 3/4th chapter. The puzzles become utterly inane. It was great til then.

Could you explain to us what is a RPG then?

 

[TwinkieGorilla]

Hey so can somebody explain to me what's different/better about Dragonfall directors cut? I played the original expansion, and have the DC, but haven't bothered with it since I assumed nothing that significant was changed. Tell me how I'm wrong, plz.

 

[Onholyservicebound]

It is a game with stats and leveling, such as Borderlands and Call of Duty.
c&c sold seperately

 

[TwinkieGorilla]

Fuckface, I just said I played the original expansion. I'm asking what's different about the DC.

 

[Abu Antar]

Fuckface, I just said I played the original expansion. I'm asking what's different about the DC.

Better interface and some new runs. (There's also achievements if that's your thing. )

 

[tuluse]

There's also mechanical changes. Cover works very different like preventing crits and stuff. I can't remember all of it.

 

[Cowboy Moment]

It's nothing groundbreaking, but it's just all around decent. It's basically the JRPG Dragonfall.

And just like Dragonfall (though I haven't tried the DC), it would be massively improved by making the combat more difficult.

 

[bonescraper]

Really shitty results. is still strong. But one look at our Steam Curator page, and all becomes clear.

I wonder how a similar poll (in numbers) would look like, if you had to choose the single most important aspect in cRPGs. And how it would compare to this list.

Also, i really don't think you should mix proper RPGs with aRPGs. It's quite unfair for the latter, and can cause lulzy outcomes. Use categories next time?

 

[Athelas]

Really shitty results. is still strong. But one look at our Steam Curator page, and all becomes clear.

I wonder how a similar poll (in numbers) would look like, if you had to choose the single most important aspect in cRPGs. And how it would compare to this list.

Also, i really don't think you should mix proper RPGs with aRPGs. It's quite unfair for the latter, and can cause lulzy outcomes. Use categories next time?

What do you think is about the list?

 

[bonescraper]

A lot. The newfound love for shitty JRPGs, the high place of RPG-lite titles, the abovementioned mixup of RPGs, aRPGs and tactical RPGs etc.

EDIT:

Yeah. The more i look at it, the dumber it gets. To me it's just a random list of PC titles from 2014.

How's Heroine Quest objectively better than Xenonauts? How's Crusader Kings II: They way of life better than Reaper of souls? One thing is a small, overpriced DLC with 3-4 new options, and the other is a full blown expansion that changed a shitty game into something quite enjoyable?

This list means nothing to me, sorry.

 

[Athelas]

A lot. The newfound love for shitty JRPGs,

I don't know about Trails in the Sky, but Valkyria Chronicles arguably has better combat than the majority of the new 'incline' RPG's.

the high place of RPG-lite titles,

I don't know what this means.

the abovementioned mixup of RPGs, aRPGs and tactical RPGs etc.

This has always been the case, the Codex top 15 contains Bloodlines, Deus Ex and Jagged Alliance 2 if I'm not mistaken.

 

[Turjan]

How's Heroine Quest objectively better than Xenonauts?

What is objective about a poll? Polls are about opinons, not "truths".

 

[Invictus]

Trails in the Sky is Damn awesome and filled my JRPG itch just fine, from all the usual suspects on the Codex list, that was the most pleasant surprise after Neo Scavenger

 

[felipepepe]

I guess Fargo's obsession with reactivity means shit for the codex.

Game is long as fuck and came out when we actually had other RPGs to play. I bet only very, very few people played it more than once to see all that reactivity...

Ironically, both W2 and DOS suffer from being to long & uneven. But DOS starts with the good half, while W2 starts with the bad.

 

[Lady_Error]

Ironically, both W2 and DOS suffer from being to long & uneven. But DOS starts with the good half, while W2 starts with the bad.

Really? I enjoyed the beginning and the end game of W2, but kind of lost interest in the middle.

 

[bonescraper]

If you'll lose the context of those quotes then sorry, but i'm too lazy to manually input all the code. The forum is fucked at this moment, blame DU.

I don't know about Trails in the Sky, but Valkyria Chronicles arguably has better combat than the majority of the new 'incline' RPG's.

Trails in the Sky is a run-of-the-mill average JRPG. Decent mechanics, shitty, juvenile story, writing and characters, standard uninspired quests etc. Nothing special, yet it's in the top ten. VC? Haven't played it so i have no opinion. But i despise the whole concept. Anyway, haven't played it, no opinion from me.

I don't know what this means.

Shadowrun, South Park, Banner Saga (hardly a RPG anyway), FFXIII (for JRPGs) etc. Games that aren't action-RPG's. Often turn-based yet shallow mechanically, with little replay value (linear).

This has always been the case, the Codex top 15 contains Bloodlines, Deus Ex and Jagged Alliance 2 if I'm not mistaken.

Sure, but those are classics. No game feels extremely out of place in that list both in terms of quality and design. You can't say the same about this list.

What is objective about a poll? Polls are about opinons, not "truths".

No, the front page article doesn't say anything like that. It's the "official 2014 Codex GOTY awards list" composed using some kind of "clever" methodology Felipepepe seems to be very proud of.

All it represents is the amount of fanboys each game and/or gerne has on the Codex. Nothing more, nothing less.

You definitely could come up with something more prestigious, but that would take quite a lot of time and in-depth research.

 

[felipepepe]

No, the front page article doesn't say anything like that.

Yes, and coffee cups should come with huge warnings about how they are hot, otherwise how will people know?

 

[Onholyservicebound]

Yes, and coffee cups should come with huge warnings about how they are hot, otherwise how will people know?

Pretty sure that's actually a thing in Murica.

 

[bonescraper]

Yes, and coffee cups should come with huge warnings about how they are hot, otherwise how will people know?

Please bro, don't be a pretentious bitch, you're too good for that.

Explain why CKII: WoL is better than Dark Souls 2.

You can't? It's impossible? Retarded even? Yes, because it's an extremely random popularity poll, there's nothing about being best here. It's random and shows nothing of value.

I guess you people were never interested in a list that even remotely represents quality of those games.

 

[Turjan]

No, the front page article doesn't say anything like that.

Why should it. Most people, other than you, know what a poll is.

It's the "official 2014 Codex GOTY awards list" composed using some kind of "clever" methodology Felipepepe seems to be very proud of.

If there were a single polling method to rule all polling methods, everyone would use it. Alas, there isn't. A Bayesian average is a good method to prevent the poll from becoming a pure popularity contest that is simply dominated by the number of people who played certain games. The declared goal was to give a chance to the underdogs, and the poll succeeded nicely with this.

All it represents is the amount of fanboys each game and/or gerne has on the Codex. Nothing more, nothing less.

Well, it's a poll, you remember? Also, you obviously didn't understand the method you just heaped so much scorn on.

You definitely could come up with something more prestigious, but that would take quite a lot of time and in-depth research...

... and then you would get the opinion of one or of a few people. But the goal was to find the Codex GOTY, not the GOTY that fulfills your subjective opinion of what you personally consider objective criteria.

 

[tuluse]

Please bro, don't be a pretentious bitch, you're too good for that.

Explain why CKII: WoL is better than Dark Souls 2.

You can't? It's impossible? Retarded even? Yes, because it's an extremely random popularity poll, there's nothing about being best here. It's random and shows nothing of value.

I guess you people were never interested in a list that even remotely represents quality of those games.

Actually the bayesian average makes sure this doesn't simply measure the amount of fanpeople a game has. It measures the percentage of people who played the game that think it's good while adjusting for number of voters.

 

[Onholyservicebound]

Basically, the poll isn't actually a representation of what the majority of the Codex likes, isn't even legitimate to begin with, and has corrections done to the results based on assumptions.
It's a shitty experimental poll, hopefully they use real polls next time, where randomness isn't a factor.