Review RPG Codex Review: Undertale

[Bradylama]

Females tend to be dominant for piranhas anyway.

Besides the king/queen, the only other couple in the story is lesbian.

Dogamy and Dogaressa.

 

[Serus]

The influence of "tumblr/sjw" memes is clear here, too: (...) it's basically impossible to miss it.

Yeah, avoiding the voices in your head is something you only accomplish with medication.

[Int] Voices in your head Banana tell you to write all those stupid, annoying posts then ?

 

[Irenaeus II]

bullet-hell, the first RPGCodex meme of the new current year

 

[Jasede]

Thread makes me cry into my goat body pillow.

 

[hivemind]

Thread makes me cry into my goat body pillow.

faggot degenerate
the only acceptable body pillows are of your imouto or your niichan

 

[Jasede]

My husbando > your waifu

 

[Irenaeus II]

My body armor is bullet-hell proof.

 

[Vikter]

I masturbated to the Under Her Tail comic.

 

[Mozg]

I've played the first half of it or so, got sick of the bullet dodge + brute force menu options pacifist run gameplay and watched the rest in LPs and it was OK. It's impressive that the guy is basically a musician first but the game isn't straight 2003 RPG maker garbage and it's not one of those things he was tinkering with for seven years, he knocked it out pretty quick. The way it has gotten the level and style of internet marketing it has is from reusing the Homestuck fanbase which is apparently based on people making cross-stitch forum avatars

 

[Archibald]

Considering my earlier post about Undertale being "lighter game". I didn't mean that easier games are going to sell better than harder ones. What I wanted to say was that I can complete Undertale in 1-2 evenings. 2 weeks later, if I feel like it, I can replay it to see another ending. By comparison in two evenings I'll complete couple of Eisenwald maps, depending on their length obviously. Due to amount of games being released its getting harder to finish many of them and short, to the point, games are becoming more popular. I remember 15 years ago when I saw "50 hours of gameplay" advert I was pumped, now? My first thought is if I'll ever have enough free time for that game when I have bunch of other stuff that I want to play.

Yes, it's a game for people who hate games.

Are you aiming for some 2016 edgelord award? Not everyone who likes gaming has enough free time to play all possibly interesting games, due to that some people started gravitating towards shorter games.

 

[Black]

An indie game made solely by a musician with action combat and great soundtrack?
Why, I love Cave Story! As opposed to this thing it doesn't have extremely repulsive aesthetics and designs and wasn't responsible for cancer such as

 

[Black]

Oh my, so sorry for not liking how it looks.

 

[Black]

It looks like the perfect example of how not to do "retro" games.

 

[Abū al-Qāsim Muḥammad]

Chivalry is a bad comparison - it's pretty much a MOBA, and that game was done with heavy paid marketing - I talked both to the devs and to the agency they worked with (which we couldn't afford). Plus, they released their game in time where Steam was not so crowded. Had we released our game a year ago, it would have been much more successful.

Neither E: C, nor AoD nor us nor Underrail nor many other games that are fun in my book (or at least deserve a buy for making something different) didn't sell well enough. It's a survival story throughout. That's why no need to repeat the same mistake and so something like this again. Games these days need a publisher or a big enough marketing budget, not 10-20k but in the range of 200-300-500k or 1m even better. Current Steam featuring of any game for a week at launch is not enough in the crowded Steam store. And having a good publisher will probably get a better featuring deal with Steam.

Thank you. It does concur with my and many people's views that the game was badly marketed then. I did not know that even small Indies tried to afford marketing experts at the start. This can explain many successes here (With other factors taken in consideration). I understand your financial situation in East Europa must be even more precarious than Canadian modders and I wish you for the best. But when you say you won't be trying anything of this scale again, does it mean you will now take mini-games contract for the Iphone, or other sorts of outsourcing?

I agree. None of these games made waves. The last two have more following however, if this place is to be trusted, and their respective communities have more activity. You seem very close to expedition conquistador, both in gameplay and in success.

I wonder how many of these indies use professional marketing agency, and if the successes of games like this Undertale is not due to clever tactics and herd instincts manipulations like Apple Computers has been doing for a long time. That would explain the lack of rational arguments being brought up both in the comments of this thread and the review. Instead I see appeal to feelings, unfounded positivism, accusations and weird jokes/unwarranted catchphrases.

-Abū al-Qāsim Muḥammad

 

[Vikter]

To be fair, if Cave Story were released today it would receive a lot of shit for having mimigas and being japanese.

 

[Karwelas]

I'm... Amazed. Codex is better then 4chan in creating chaotic shit nowadays. And I says it when /v/ looka like combination of reddit, tumblr and old 4chan. How the fuck you managed to transform thread about 6-8(depends on your level of webooism)/10 game into talk about Scrooge brofirst rate, number of sold copies = quality/ shitting on each other, furry shit, insulting other, good indie games (Fuck off if you really don't like Cave Story. It is 10 times better, harder and funnier then Undertale) and large amount of edgy fuck.

You never fail to amaze me people.

 

[Scroo]

Toby never intended to please the crazy SJW and tumblr crowd. As was said before, the kickstarter for the game was small and the game itself never shoves any moral codes into your face - except for friendship > all. It has no tumblr vibe at all, no xir xis xer nouns, no CIS GENDERED WHITE PRIVILEGE, nothing. The allegedly SJW stuff really isn't - the lesbian couple thing fits in perfectly and never brags about, well, being a lesbian couple or smth. I also have no idea why the SJWs think the game promotes feminism? There are female and male characters like in pretty much every other game. I really never felt that there's SJW stuff in it, the game really is not about muh safe space or whatevs

 

[Siveon]

To be fair, if Cave Story were released today it would receive a lot of shit for having mimigas and being japanese.

Not really, unless you're talking about the Codex exclusively. To which I say, every game is given a lot of shit on the Codex. It comes with the trade. Love me some Cave Story, though.

 

[Vikter]

It is 10 times better, harder and funnier then Undertale

It's not 10 times harder, because 10 x 0 = 0. Cave Story is a good analogy to what Undertale is now. Cave Story didn't try to be more than it was. It was a really succesful experiment in game design, with story as a second thought and the little details were, well, just details. It felt really unique, and it was made in a time where 8-bit indies were not all that trendy. Cave Story stands on its own so much that even nowadays it's considered a masterpiece of PC gaming (and it was ported to PSP, unofficially), and not because Pixel made it alone or because it's an innovation in crashing to desktop. It's good because of what makes it a game: level design, pacing, difficulty, music, etc.
Undertale, while good in theory, failed in some points of its execution because Toby Fox apparently didn't knew what to make. He wanted it to have a lot of choices, so he made an RPG, but it barely works as one. Both Pacifist and Genocide routes break the game a little bit. You either have to grind your shit out or can't even bother to manage your attributes. Maybe it would have worked better as an action-adventure game, like Zelda/Alundra. Sure, you would lose the shmup mechanic, but to be quite honest, it isn't really all that interesting considering you have to replay like 30 times to "get it", apparently.

If only this game didn't get a bad rep because of this SJW thingy people would be more critical of what actually matters.

 

[Tramboi]

I mean, at this point anyone who's read this whole thread could have just downloaded the demo and actually tried the game instead. Says more about the people in this thread than the game if you ask me.

I didn't read thge whole thread, just the first and half od the second page and some random posts by the seventh papge. I could be playing Undertail but I have an UFC event to watch.

Looks better than Underale

Because AoD is much closer to real manly fighting than Undertale.

 

[lightbane]

Jeez, how can people think Undertale is SJW-friendly? It has an heterosexual couple who visibly love and kiss each other without anyone making a fuss, something which is an anathema for that crowd.

 

[Irenaeus II]

Because AoD is much closer to real manly fighting than Undertale.

Is this supposed to be a joke or something? French humour has declined so much with all those arabs and niggers that I can't tell anymore.

 

[Tramboi]

Is this supposed to be a joke or something? French humour has declined so much with all those arabs and niggers than I can't tell anymore.

Whereas brazilian edginess is at its best.

 

[Irenaeus II]

I'm ready for Lord Emperor Trump, DotR and nothing more.

Is this supposed to be a joke or something? French humour has declined so much with all those arabs and niggers than I can't tell anymore.

Whereas brazilian edginess is at its best.

This is only the beginning.

 

[Tramboi]

This is only the beginning.

Hail the new dawn !