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RPG Codex - Top 50 WORST RPGs YOU'VE PLAYED vote thread

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It's true that Skyrim/Oblivion/etc can't be called "WORST GAME EVER" because there are so many shitty shovelware/forgotten NES/abysmal flash games, but that shouldn't stop anyone from piling the criticism on. It's like any big mainstream movie out right now can't technically be called the worst movie ever because B-movies made by students in the 70s are infinitely worse, but that doesn't stop people from tearing the big titles to shreds.
 

ZagorTeNej

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I can give you a much simpler reason than the one provided:

Of all games listed Skyrim is the only one that's both so trendy to be considered shit here so that simple :nocountryforshitposters: no longer works as sufficient rebuttal, and not shit enough to actually make reasonable poster's list.

Even when only considering worst somewhat successful or near successful games Skyrim doesn't quite have what it takes to make the list.

Actually a number of other games mentioned also fit your description such as Dragon Age, Baldur's Gate, Witcher 2 etc.

You (and some others) just like Skyrim more than those games and seem offended when anyone thinks it's a terrible game.
 

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A game I love to hate and hate to love:

Demise Rise of the Ku'tan, its even worse with Ascension. I will probably hate it for another 14 years and by then Grimoire might come out if I live that long.

It's the only game that continually has the power to piss me off yet give me joy. Kinda like Cleve.
 

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I can give you a much simpler reason than the one provided:

Of all games listed Skyrim is the only one that's both so trendy to be considered shit here so that simple :nocountryforshitposters: no longer works as sufficient rebuttal, and not shit enough to actually make reasonable poster's list.

Even when only considering worst somewhat successful or near successful games Skyrim doesn't quite have what it takes to make the list.

Actually a number of other games mentioned also fit your description such as Dragon Age, Baldur's Gate, Witcher 2 etc.

You (and some others) just like Skyrim more than those games and seem offended when anyone thinks it's a terrible game.
BG1 is overrated here, if anything. This means that you have more people praising it for what it isn't than declaring it shit, and even those who do declare it shit, usually recognize it as at least marginally enjoyable and thus lesser shit, not really comparable with oblivion (which in itself would qualify as merely painfully mediocre if we include actual shovelware) or shovelware.

Witcher 2 seems to have quite a following if only because it's a story-centric game that combines good graphics with story that doesn't suck. It has it's share of problems and some people hate it for one reason or another, but you can still dismiss including it on the list with just
:nocountryforshitposters: .

DA:O probably comes closest to Skyrim (although I haven't played it), in that even those who enjoyed it seem to treat it as a bit of a guilty pleasure, but it still has quite a following.

Skyrim, OTOH is often bashed as shit inferior to even oblivion, even though it's actually not bad (I'd rank it higher than BG1 even in vanilla state) and becomes genuinely good with proper selection of mods. Its worst sins, by far, are bugginess (which isn't much of a surprise given that it's a post 1996 Bethesda game) and dumbing down (which I can accept as reason for hating games IF you're consistent about it, meaning, among other things, that liking the original Lands of Lore exposes you as hypocritical bag of turds, because I don't think I've ever seen a cRPG that would be dumbed down more than LoL1, yet it remains quite popular). Other than that it neatly sidesteps all the problems Oblivion had and even some problems present in older TES games, apart from its lack of handplaced loot.

Offended?
:hmmm:
Dolan, pls.
I'm not offended by people considering far superior games crap.
 
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BG1 is overrated here, if anything. [...] Skyrim, OTOH is often bashed as shit inferior to even oblivion, even though it's actually not bad (I'd rank it higher than BG1 even in vanilla state) and becomes genuinely good with proper selection of mods.

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So DraQ, how much better is Skyrim than some of the classics like Fallout, Planescape, Gothic, Bloodlines, Deus Ex or Baldur's Gate 2, just to name a few? Or is Skyrim just as good?
 

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If you're taking the "classics" angle, be aware that Morrowind, which you put on your list of the worst RPGs you've played on the previous page, is considered a classic.

The Top 50 RPGs thread shows how shaky the definition of "classic" is:
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I think everyone on this site likes Fallout 1 and the vast majority of people like Planescape, but everything on that list from Fallout 2 onwards has a lot of haters on this site alone.

As for Skyrim, I don't even like it that much but I'd still rank it higher than a lot of games on the list above.
 

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Dragon Age 2
KOTOR1
Two Worlds 1,2
The Witcher
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Realms of the Haunting
 

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It's true that Skyrim/Oblivion/etc can't be called "WORST GAME EVER" because there are so many shitty shovelware/forgotten NES/abysmal flash games, but that shouldn't stop anyone from piling the criticism on. It's like any big mainstream movie out right now can't technically be called the worst movie ever because B-movies made by students in the 70s are infinitely worse, but that doesn't stop people from tearing the big titles to shreds.

Oh I'm damn sure there is worse, but I don't go around playing the shit and this is thread is about the worst you've played.

HR though, I will maintain is such a level until someone can demonstrate another game that is physically painful.
 

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Other than that it neatly sidesteps all the problems Oblivion had
how did skyrim sidestep bland copypasta corridor dungeons and fucking up the lore? asking 'cos i didn't notice any of those being sidestepped, just marginally better executed.
 

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Other than that it neatly sidesteps all the problems Oblivion had
how did skyrim sidestep bland copypasta corridor dungeons and fucking up the lore? asking 'cos i didn't notice any of those being sidestepped, just marginally better executed.
It sidestepped the level scaling and streamlined character development of Oblivion and its inferior quest design, can't you see?
 

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BG1 is overrated here, if anything. This means that you have more people praising it for what it isn't than declaring it shit, and even those who do declare it shit, usually recognize it as at least marginally enjoyable and thus lesser shit, not really comparable with oblivion (which in itself would qualify as merely painfully mediocre if we include actual shovelware) or shovelware.

BG1 is overrated because it isn't considered to be on par with Oblivion? Seriously?

Witcher 2 seems to have quite a following if only because it's a story-centric game that combines good graphics with story that doesn't suck. It has it's share of problems and some people hate it for one reason or another, but you can still dismiss including it on the list with just
:nocountryforshitposters: .

I consider Witcher 2 to be a very good storyfag action adventure which excels in terms of writing (plot and dialogue), art direction and setting but my impression is that it's still too often criticized here for its lousy combat system, simplified RPG mechanics, terrible console UI etc. for it to be dismissed that easily, therefore I still think it belongs in the mentioned group.

DA:O probably comes closest to Skyrim (although I haven't played it), in that even those who enjoyed it seem to treat it as a bit of a guilty pleasure, but it still has quite a following.

DAO is an interesting case, sure it was Codex RPG of the year in 2009 and has some following but its flaws (encounter design, cringeworthy romances and dialogue, questionable level design, supposed MMO inspired combat mechanics etc.) are still brought up fairly often from what I've seen. This is Codex afterall, bashing Bioware (and the fandom they've been pandering to for the last decade) will never go out of fashion here.

Skyrim, OTOH is often bashed as shit inferior to even oblivion, even though it's actually not bad (I'd rank it higher than BG1 even in vanilla state) and becomes genuinely good with proper selection of mods. Its worst sins, by far, are bugginess (which isn't much of a surprise given that it's a post 1996 Bethesda game) and dumbing down (which I can accept as reason for hating games IF you're consistent about it, meaning, among other things, that liking the original Lands of Lore exposes you as hypocritical bag of turds, because I don't think I've ever seen a cRPG that would be dumbed down more than LoL1, yet it remains quite popular). Other than that it neatly sidesteps all the problems Oblivion had and even some problems present in older TES games, apart from its lack of handplaced loot.

Meh, saying that Skyrim is often bashed as being an inferior game to even Oblivion is a vast exaggeration man. One or two posters maybe but other than that it's almost unanimously praised as being a big step in the right direction compared to Oblivion among the Codex crowd that likes the genre (hiking sims).

You ranking it (Skyrim) higher than BG1 is hardly some proof of objective quality though. I mean no offense but it's fairly obvious you vastly prefer 1st person exploration games with stats compared to isometric 2d adventure/strategy type games with stats so given that neither game is some genre transcending classic (like say PST/BG2 and/or Morrowind) your choice is hardly surprising.



Offended?
:hmmm:
Dolan, pls.
I'm not offended by people considering far superior games crap.

That's good to hear. Getting bent out of shape and screaming at "Evil Codexian hipsters who dare diss ma Skyrim" is kinda ridiculous.
 
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Honestly Oblivion could easily be one of the worst games I have ever played. That bold word is an important distinction. I'm taking the word "played" to mean more than just an hour.

Skyrim is decent enough though, especially if you realize it's an action game.
 

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Probably Morrowind. Everything in this game is just so lifeless. The NPCs are standing around doing jack shit, the dialoguetree looks like a vendingmachine that spews out information and the NPCs don't even have a voice. There is no redemption in the gameplay either, because the combat sucks major dick. Maybe it's fun if you get into the game more and read up on the lore and make some interesting questlines but the game does jack shit to interest you in what it has to offer. That's why I only ever played it for 2h or so and then ended it in boredom. Oblivion and Skyrim I could at least play like 20h before deciding that they were kinda crappy. Maybe I woud've like Morrowind if I didn't play the Gothics before and had no expectations of how a living, breathing world should look like.
 

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So DraQ, how much better is Skyrim than some of the classics like Fallout, Planescape, Gothic, Bloodlines, Deus Ex or Baldur's Gate 2, just to name a few? Or is Skyrim just as good?
And how much better than those is BG1?

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BG1 is overrated here, if anything. This means that you have more people praising it for what it isn't than declaring it shit, and even those who do declare it shit, usually recognize it as at least marginally enjoyable and thus lesser shit, not really comparable with oblivion (which in itself would qualify as merely painfully mediocre if we include actual shovelware) or shovelware.

BG1 is overrated because it isn't considered to be on par with Oblivion? Seriously?
No, it's overrated because a good chunk of the 'Dex considers it a great cRPG.
What I meant is that even those who rate it low recognize it as having *some* redeeming values, so it doesn't really need defense.


I consider Witcher 2 to be a very good storyfag action adventure which excels in terms of writing (plot and dialogue), art direction and setting but my impression is that it's still too often criticized here for its lousy combat system, simplified RPG mechanics, terrible console UI etc. for it to be dismissed that easily, therefore I still think it belongs in the mentioned group.
Games are made by what they do well. It would be too easy to dismiss PS:T for its shitty combat, Morrowind for brokenness and wooden NPCs, Fallout for cheese, and so on.

Witcher 2 is good because it does both storyfaggotry and visuals well, whether or not it can even be considered a cRPG.

You ranking it (Skyrim) higher than BG1 is hardly some proof of objective quality though. I mean no offense but it's fairly obvious you vastly prefer 1st person exploration games with stats compared to isometric 2d adventure/strategy type games with stats so given that neither game is some genre transcending classic (like say PST/BG2 and/or Morrowind) your choice is hardly surprising.
That misses the point.
I may prefer FPP RPGs for a number of reasons, same with open world, VS story centric design.

It doesn't change that if I were to list three best cRPGs, there would be two isometric ones and one heavily story centric among them (the only one conforming to my general preferences would be Morrowind).



That's good to hear. Getting bent out of shape and screaming at "Evil Codexian hipsters who dare diss ma Skyrim" is kinda ridiculous.
It's more of "retarded codexian hipsters being retarded again".

Other than that it neatly sidesteps all the problems Oblivion had
how did skyrim sidestep bland copypasta corridor dungeons and fucking up the lore? asking 'cos i didn't notice any of those being sidestepped, just marginally better executed.
It sidestepped fucking up the lore by not shitting on it actively and generally adhering to PGE1 where possible. The worst thing about Skyrim's lore are fucking dragons, but even they are somewhat integrated and assimilated.

Bland copypasta dungeons were avoided by not being bland copypasta. Yes, they have problems with excessive linearity, but they sure as fuck at least look distinct and usually have at least *some* unique content.
Linearity is less of a problem if you account for exterior and quasi-exterior hostile areas associated with many learger dungeons and dungeon complexes - then linear dungeons often become just corridors branching off or connecting nonlinear hubs located either in the gameworld or their own exterior spaces.

Other than that it neatly sidesteps all the problems Oblivion had
how did skyrim sidestep bland copypasta corridor dungeons and fucking up the lore? asking 'cos i didn't notice any of those being sidestepped, just marginally better executed.
It sidestepped the level scaling and streamlined character development of Oblivion and its inferior quest design, can't you see?
It limited level scaling to about Daggerfall level. It's still not good, but if it was tolerable in DF it's also tolerable in Skyrim.

As for streamlining character development it *does* count as sidestepping Oblivion's hopelessly broken take on Morrowind's system. Loss of attributes and chargen sucks, but no more than those elements being functionally dead in oblivon, and you do get some improvement in exchange, like having to focus your build, limited perk pool (at least before beth pussied out in that patch), or making all skills contribute to level.
 

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Oh man, where to start.

Who am I kidding, the answer is obvious. Planescape. Flush that turd already.
 

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The difference between Oblivion and BG1 is that the latter was the company's first foray in making RPG's, and they improved by leaps and bounds while making the sequel.
 
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but they sure as fuck at least look distinct and usually have at least *some* unique content.
there is an increased ratio of that, but the old oblivion feeling of "wtf, i was here before" is still there in force.
 

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And how much better than those is BG1?
BG1 is about as good as the rest of the classics IMO, give or take a bit.

Anyway, there is no need to dodge my question. I am curious and would like to know how you compare Skyrim to great classics like Fallout, Planescape, Gothic, Bloodlines, Deus Ex or Baldur's Gate 2, just to name a few. I am asking because you constanly preach how awesome Skyrim is any chance you get, like it is one of the best RPGs ever made, and are often offended when somebody states that it is not only a terrible RPG but just a shit game too.

(By the way, I find it quite amusing that you use the Todd Howard retard gif so often, even though he should actually be your game designing hero, seeing that you love Skyrim so much.)
 

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No, it's overrated because a good chunk of the 'Dex considers it a great cRPG.
What I meant is that even those who rate it low recognize it as having *some* redeeming values, so it doesn't really need defense.

My impression is that a good chunk of the 'Dex considers it to be ranging from good to very good CRPG and most see it as a template for it's (supposedly) much better sequel. Thing is, if you like pretty 2d backgrounds, RTS-y combat with stats, D&D setting, decent plot and a large number of locations to visit it is likely BG will appeal to you. Oblivion on the other hand was so bad it outright alienated a good portion of Bethesda's audience (of course they've gained hordes of casual players and consoletards to compensate so it worked out well for them financially).

Games are made by what they do well. It would be too easy to dismiss PS:T for its shitty combat, Morrowind for brokenness and wooden NPCs, Fallout for cheese, and so on.

Witcher 2 is good because it does both storyfaggotry and visuals well, whether or not it can even be considered a cRPG.

Sure I can see your point, Witcher 2 is too strong in those two areas for it to be considered outright bad and put on such a list, problem is those aspects of the game matter very little to some players and thus they see it as a bad game/experience.

Personally, while I certainly like the game (I played through it several times) I still have several gripes with it:

-Geralt is supposed to be one of the best fencers around, the game just failed in conveying that as far as I'm concerned. Parrying/blocking drains your vigour while even lowlife bums can parry all day long, Geralt has to learn riposte (counterattack), certain enemies parry, deflect and counterattack his attacks way too easily etc. It's a big part of him as a character and the game needed to do more justice to it IMO.

-Alchemy system and overall UI are much, much worse than the previous game, a sequel should keep what's good about the first game and fix the negative stuff, not fuck up some of the best aspects of the first game.

-Could be considered a personal preference but I found the game has way too much loot. I vastly prefer the way first game approached that, instead of throwing dozens of swords and armor/clothing at you, equipment upgrades were rare, expensive but substantial.

-Sidestepping, dodging would be more preferable to rolling around (doesn't mesh well with the game's grim dark, serious pretense). If not that, at the very least rolling should have drained your vigour and arguably as fast or faster than parrying which in addition to giving parrying 100% damage reduction might have given the game two viable different styles of defense instead of rolling being outright superior in every regard (it's free, avoids all damage, gets you into perfect position to backstab an enemy).

-Boss fights, aside from Letho they're just terrible (too arcadey, gimmicky, some are full of QTEs etc.). Kayran boss is the worst offender (not because I consider it hard or anything, I beat it on the first try), in the world of Witcher going against a dangerous monster without study, preparation and planning should get you killed, you're not supposed to wing it and succeed on blind luck (slice few tentacles then ride one of the remaining ones until the monster topples the architecture around it forming a natural stairway to its head so you can drop the bomb on it).

-Personal preference again but I believe that in some ways Witcher 2 would have benefited from ditching RPG pretense and being a full blown action/adventure game. Being forced to play as Geralt just doesn't lend itself to your usual "from zero to hero" RPG model especially considering that he regained most of his skills in the first game (and became a walking death machine by the end).


I may prefer FPP RPGs for a number of reasons, same with open world, VS story centric design.

It doesn't change that if I were to list three best cRPGs, there would be two isometric ones and one heavily story centric among them (the only one conforming to my general preferences would be Morrowind).

Fair enough, I'm guessing Fallout and PST (in addition to Morrowind)?
 

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BG1 is as boring world-wise as Oblivion, honestly. Story is better though.

Well I can't do much of a comparison considering that I played Oblivion only few hours before being bored to my tears and uninstalling it but I will say that while I can see how someone might find BG's world bland I still believe the game has a number of atmospheric and interesting locations such as the whole Durlag's Tower (one of the best dungeons I've ever explored in a game), Iron Throne, Merchant League and Seven suns buildings in BG (city), Undercellar, Undercity, Werewolf island, Cloakwood forest that is infested with spiders etc. I'd also say that on the whole city of Baldur's gate is designed very nicely and certainly stands out from most other locations in the game.
 
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And how much better than those is BG1?
BG1 is about as good as the rest of the classics IMO, give or take a bit.

Anyway, there is no need to dodge my question. I am curious and would like to know how you compare Skyrim to great classics like Fallout, Planescape, Gothic, Bloodlines, Deus Ex or Baldur's Gate 2, just to name a few. I am asking because you constanly preach how awesome Skyrim is any chance you get, like it is one of the best RPGs ever made, and are often offended when somebody states that it is not only a terrible RPG but just a shit game too.

(By the way, I find it quite amusing that you use the Todd Howard retard gif so often, even though he should actually be your game designing hero, seeing that you love Skyrim so much.)

I think even comparing those games to Skyrim is ridiculous. Skyrim is a first-person 3D action game only slightly more of an RPG than Far Cry 3 is. If you like open world action games I think Skyrim is worth playing, and a significant improvement over Oblivion. It's not even comparable to Morrowind in "RPGness" though, let alone fucking Fallout.
 

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