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[RobotSquirrel]

"hitscan but it bends and checks entity positions at a delayed time of collision" isn't a thing.

It is a thing
You just have a second ray fly along like a projectile, if it detects anything tell the bullet to recalculate its path. Player is none the wiser.
The bullet is hitscan up until it detects a change, then it stops for a milisecond has a think about it and then returns to being a hitscan.

The traditional term for a hitscan in the doom days is what you're talking about which is why you're confused. Those were single use and never updated. Now we can repeatedly use them and update them dynamically. Effectively what I'm talking about could be considered a hybrid approach and last time I checked there wasn't a definition for that, which is why we just got used to calling it hitscan, as they are obviously not projectiles.

The tell is going to be, can the bullet move beyond a certain length, raycasts have to have a set length otherwise the bullet will just pass through. When we detect that the bullet is likely to hit we know the bullet has hit because it has reached the end of the path. If it didn't hit we refer to the other ray to figure out why it didn't. The system can fail it's not perfect but it is better than the usual projectile method. (example of it failing, hitting a very fast-moving small object that moved into the path of the bullet, the bullet was unable to detect it so just pass through)

It goes the opposite way as well, that the bullet doesn't correct the hit the player has moved out the way the hit is still awarded because the path never recalculated. (The bullet is still detecting a hit but the object has moved out of the way slightly because the entire system is built on the assumption of a hit).
If both the initial hitscan and the traveling ray both return a hit then we know with confidence it did hit. Its those inbetweens where the system fails so its not perfect at all but its still able to track high velocity which is why we do it like this.

the second ray works similar to ray marching it doesn't have to update in realtime but should do so an an interval that makes sense and is performant, the point is that its point of origin is where the bullet presently sits on the first path. If the bullets travel is short we just revert to a traditional hitscan, if its long then this system would be necessary.

 

[rusty_shackleford]

What I said is the truth.

Does this look like hitscan to you?

the idea of a civilization having advanced starflight but not guns that automatically adjust for distance is prosper-tier worldbuilding

 

[AN4RCHID]

the idea of a civilization having advanced starflight but not guns that automatically adjust for distance is prosper-tier worldbuilding

They do have scopes with auto zeroing

 

[rusty_shackleford]

the idea of a civilization having advanced starflight but not guns that automatically adjust for distance is prosper-tier worldbuilding

They do have scopes with auto zeroing

what the fuck is that ragdolling lmao

also, apparently a spacefaring civilization can't into magnification

 

[AN4RCHID]

Low gravity ragdoll tech

There are all kinds of optics, magnified and not. When that update released the higher magnification scopes went out further than player models would load lol

 

[Myobi]

Low gravity ragdoll tech

There are all kinds of optics tech, magnified tech and not tech. When that update tech released the higher magnification scopes tech went out further than player models tech would load lol tech

 

[Corbin Dallas Multipass]

"hitscan but it bends and checks entity positions at a delayed time of collision" isn't a thing.

It is a thing
You just have a second ray fly along like a projectile, if it detects anything tell the bullet to recalculate its path. Player is none the wiser.
The bullet is hitscan up until it detects a change, then it stops for a milisecond has a think about it and then returns to being a hitscan.

The traditional term for a hitscan in the doom days is what you're talking about which is why you're confused. Those were single use and never updated. Now we can repeatedly use them and update them dynamically. Effectively what I'm talking about could be considered a hybrid approach and last time I checked there wasn't a definition for that, which is why we just got used to calling it hitscan, as they are obviously not projectiles.

The tell is going to be, can the bullet move beyond a certain length, raycasts have to have a set length otherwise the bullet will just pass through. When we detect that the bullet is likely to hit we know the bullet has hit because it has reached the end of the path. If it didn't hit we refer to the other ray to figure out why it didn't. The system can fail it's not perfect but it is better than the usual projectile method. (example of it failing, hitting a very fast-moving small object that moved into the path of the bullet, the bullet was unable to detect it so just pass through)

It goes the opposite way as well, that the bullet doesn't correct the hit the player has moved out the way the hit is still awarded because the path never recalculated. (The bullet is still detecting a hit but the object has moved out of the way slightly because the entire system is built on the assumption of a hit).
If both the initial hitscan and the traveling ray both return a hit then we know with confidence it did hit. Its those inbetweens where the system fails so its not perfect at all but its still able to track high velocity which is why we do it like this.

the second ray works similar to ray marching it doesn't have to update in realtime but should do so an an interval that makes sense and is performant, the point is that its point of origin is where the bullet presently sits on the first path. If the bullets travel is short we just revert to a traditional hitscan, if its long then this system would be necessary.

They call that "ballistic" and it's not hitscan.

I realize there aren't real bullets, and it's all just based on off/on states of millions of transistors. I get that it's not done by actually making a bunch of physics objects and just letting the physics engine handle everything. That would be impractical and computationally wasteful. And video game physics engines do tend to do poorly at high velocities, because otherwise you'd have to update every millisecond or what have you.

None of that makes it hitscan though. Hitscan means a specific thing. In quake, the shotgun was hitscan. The nailgun was not. The rocket launcher was super-not hitscan, although I imagine the explosion utilized hitscan to do its damage. And none of those things even had ballistic arcs, but they did have to fly for some amount of time rather than knowing at the time of firing if they were a hit or not.

 

[RobotSquirrel]

They call that "ballistic" and it's not hitscan.

Ballistic Simulation is not a method btw its added to the method which is why you can do ballistics for both. Its either rigidbodies in the form of projectiles wherein the bullet is an object just like the gun just like the player just like the NPCs or its a raycast in which then it falls into the hitscan category. If we want to get technical there should be a definition for the "hybrid" approach the problem is that even that is too vague. The terms are out of date.

I would call what I suggested a "traveling hitscan" or if you want to decouple it from hitscan a "traveling ray" because its a hitscan that moves its point of origin along another path to simulate bullet travel (I strongly suspect this is what Arma and SC, see the Dyslexi Arma 3 video from 2013 you never see a projectile just the raypath, they're used because its extremely cheap computationally and looks great, there's no janky bouncing you get from rigid bodies), the other method I'm aware of is where the bullet starts off as a ray and transforms into a projectile which I'd call "hitscan-to-projectile" if I was going to give them names (I'm certain warthunder does this around the opposite way so projectile-to-hitscan, when a tank fires a shell its a projectile but when it hits turns into hitscans to simulate damage spread, the animation is fake. You can tell because it can be super infuriating to have shells phase through terrain or tanks sometimes and hits are not counted, this would not happen if it were a raycast because rays can usually pinpoint accurately the collision volume they're intersecting, rigidbodies can't *unless they use kinematics which basically combines the two ideas but is hard to implement).
Disclaimer: I'm wrong if it turned out they were using kinematics the entire time lol. I seriously doubt most of the implementations would use this because its still computationally expensive to use a rigid body and you're still using a raycast anyway so it's wasteful, normally this is reserved for things like platforms, vehicles or characters who aren't playing nicely with the engine's physics not really for projectiles.

Anyway, its a good topic to discuss I wish there was more documentation out there so we could have a concrete "This is how you do it". The gist of what I'm trying to say is one is a ray that swaps to another ray, the other is a ray that swaps to a rigidbody this is why I feel there should be the distinction between the two. One is significantly cheaper than the other.

*if you don't get it this time I have a diagram now lol. I'll post it if it still doesn't make sense.

 

[MadMaxHellfire]

So they use star wars "lasers" that are way, way slower than bullets.

as far as i know, star wars calls them "blasters", and they're plasma, not lasers.

 

[JamesDixon]

So they use star wars "lasers" that are way, way slower than bullets.

as far as i know, star wars calls them "blasters", and they're plasma, not lasers.

Star Wars has lasers on top of blasters. You are a fucking retard that a simple search on Wookieepedia would have given you the answer.

 

[AN4RCHID]

They call that "ballistic" and it's not hitscan.

Ballistic Simulation is not a method btw its added to the method which is why you can do ballistics for both. Its either rigidbodies in the form of projectiles wherein the bullet is an object just like the gun just like the player just like the NPCs or its a raycast in which then it falls into the hitscan category. If we want to get technical there should be a definition for the "hybrid" approach the problem is that even that is too vague. The terms are out of date.

I would call what I suggested a "traveling hitscan" or if you want to decouple it from hitscan a "traveling ray" because its a hitscan that moves its point of origin along another path to simulate bullet travel (I strongly suspect this is what Arma and SC, see the Dyslexi Arma 3 video from 2013 you never see a projectile just the raypath, they're used because its extremely cheap computationally and looks great, there's no janky bouncing you get from rigid bodies), the other method I'm aware of is where the bullet starts off as a ray and transforms into a projectile which I'd call "hitscan-to-projectile" if I was going to give them names (I'm certain warthunder does this around the opposite way so projectile-to-hitscan, when a tank fires a shell its a projectile but when it hits turns into hitscans to simulate damage spread, the animation is fake. You can tell because it can be super infuriating to have shells phase through terrain or tanks sometimes and hits are not counted, this would not happen if it were a raycast because rays can usually pinpoint accurately the collision volume they're intersecting, rigidbodies can't *unless they use kinematics which basically combines the two ideas but is hard to implement).
Disclaimer: I'm wrong if it turned out they were using kinematics the entire time lol. I seriously doubt most of the implementations would use this because its still computationally expensive to use a rigid body and you're still using a raycast anyway so it's wasteful, normally this is reserved for things like platforms, vehicles or characters who aren't playing nicely with the engine's physics not really for projectiles.

Anyway, its a good topic to discuss I wish there was more documentation out there so we could have a concrete "This is how you do it". The gist of what I'm trying to say is one is a ray that swaps to another ray, the other is a ray that swaps to a rigidbody this is why I feel there should be the distinction between the two. One is significantly cheaper than the other.

*if you don't get it this time I have a diagram now lol. I'll post it if it still doesn't make sense.

Hitscan doesn't mean any hit detection that uses raycasts. It's specifically simple hit detection based on the position of the crosshairs/aimpoint on the shooter's camera at the instant the weapon is used. If you're calculating bullet drop over time and windage and stuff, that's no longer hitscan no matter the implementation.

"Hitscan in video game design, most commonly in first-person shooters, is a type of hit registration system that determines whether an object has been hit or not simply by scanning if the item used was aimed directly at its target and then applies the effects of the item (usually damage) instantly."
- Wikipedia

 

[RobotSquirrel]

Said earlier the definitions are out of date. It's mistakenly referred to by developers because it's not a projectile. But a traveling ray is basically doing a raycast to find the end length as a vector3, then predicting the path, you do the prediction for AI (I realized my diagram is actually for AI shooting not the player so I might have to dedraw it LOL), for the player the traveling ray just flys along like a projectile normally would but its cheaper because it has no collider the draw back is that it uses its own physics. Sorry I've been tired this week so some of what I'm saying might be coming out wrong.

Game engine physics work similar to occlusion culling as well, the physics engine gets loaded out from RBs if its too far from the player/level center (depends on where it's tethered to, usually multiplayer games it's the center of the map), so that claim that you'd be able to shoot beyond visibility goes against how we know physics works on rigidbodies *Unless the physics culling is longer than occlusion culling in which then the draw distance is not reflective of physics quality, A ray can be as long as you want which is usually in ballistics sim the energy of the bullet but you can make them go on for infinity it's just not a good idea to! its not good practice from a performance standpoint but a ray never gets loaded out on culling whereas physics does. I really doubt with the persistence layer SC has that they are using RBs because you'd get noticeably weird physics when the bullets return to being RB. Its possible they are using RBs but I'd need to see proof of it. It's easier to dismiss it as rays because of that persistence layer, because that's what the persistent layer would be treating them as. (just a vector3 flying around in abstraction, much easier and cheaper to track)

All 4 of the methods I mentioned have their place in games, with the traditional hitscan being the worst approach. Again I'm not advocating hit scanning as good its usually a bad practice. Yeah I'd love to see the term better clearly defined because those two methods Hitscan vs Projectile are both out of date. The term projectile even predates RigidBodies, it only came to represent doing it this way because its a carry-over from pre-physics engine projectiles. If we're going to discuss these methods they should be better defined.

Its an old argument. It'll come up again. It'll keep happening. God damn games industry. lol Some consistent documentation and terminology would go a long way.

 

[rusty_shackleford]

Wikipedia

wikipedia is wrong about 98% of the time

 

[RobotSquirrel]

Wikipedia

wikipedia is wrong about 98% of the time

also notice how the only source is the writer of the article. Tristan Jung is not a game developer he is a writer, yes he is an engineer that now works at Twitter but he is mainly in this capacity an authority on Games Journalism not Games Development.
This would be like treating Extra Credits as an authority on game design. In the article he even states:

For example, to fix the issue of objects phasing through each other from projectile ballistics, each bullet can draw a ray every tick of the engine. This helps the engine to see if any of the rays would intersect between ticks, colliding mid-air.

"each bullet can draw a ray every tick" implying a Kinematic RigidBody.

They can also be blended to enhance features in a game. A great example of this is in the Sniper Elite series; after pulling the trigger, the engine uses hitscan to determine if the shot is close enough to any detectable target to trigger slow motion. If true, it will fire a bullet with projectile ballistics in bullet-time.

And this btw is actually faked, the hitscan is what did it, the bullet itself is not a projectile, the animation that plays is actually faked over the top of the hitscan triggering. Because do you have any idea how taxing it would be to draw every testicle on every soldier LOL these things are only loaded in after the hit, and the animation plays to give the illusion that a projectile method was used. terrible example image used doesn't reflect the technical and earlier is mislabeled as a projectile.

Again another point I want to make is we need to really stop letting Games Journalists define things. What is an RPG for example (ding ding ding I said the thing). It should be the developers that set the academic precedents cause you know the whole proof thing? yeah a developer actually has to prove they did it in practice, a games journalist doesn't they can make up things and aren't peer-reviewed. Developers kinda are with post-mortems and GDC but we could probably stand to be better.

 

[AN4RCHID]

Wikipedia

wikipedia is wrong about 98% of the time

also notice how the only source is the writer of the article. Tristan Jung is not a game developer he is a writer, yes he is an engineer that now works at Twitter but he is mainly in this capacity an authority on Games Journalism not Games Development.
This would be like treating Extra Credits as an authority on game design. In the article he even states:

For example, to fix the issue of objects phasing through each other from projectile ballistics, each bullet can draw a ray every tick of the engine. This helps the engine to see if any of the rays would intersect between ticks, colliding mid-air.

"each bullet can draw a ray every tick" implying a Kinematic RigidBody.

They can also be blended to enhance features in a game. A great example of this is in the Sniper Elite series; after pulling the trigger, the engine uses hitscan to determine if the shot is close enough to any detectable target to trigger slow motion. If true, it will fire a bullet with projectile ballistics in bullet-time.

And this btw is actually faked, the hitscan is what did it, the bullet itself is not a projectile, the animation that plays is actually faked over the top of the hitscan triggering. Because do you have any idea how taxing it would be to draw every testicle on every soldier LOL these things are only loaded in after the hit, and the animation plays to give the illusion that a projectile method was used. terrible example image used doesn't reflect the technical and earlier is mislabeled as a projectile.

Again another point I want to make is we need to really stop letting Games Journalists define things. What is an RPG for example (ding ding ding I said the thing). It should be the developers that set the academic precedents cause you know the whole proof thing? yeah a developer actually has to prove they did it in practice, a games journalist doesn't they can make up things and aren't peer-reviewed. Developers kinda are with post-mortems and GDC but we could probably stand to be better.

There are plenty more articles and webpages describing hitscan, and none that I have ever seen would include a gun that has bullet drop and travel time.

For example...
https://rockymtnruby.com/what-is-hitscan/

Even Urban Dictionary understands the concept
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Hitscan

It's pretty universally understood, and it doesn't mean 'any hit detection system that utilizes raycasting and doesn't utilize a kinematic physics object'.

 

[RobotSquirrel]

Even Urban Dictionary understands the concept
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Hitscan

2008, 2012.

https://rockymtnruby.com/what-is-hitscan/

It does talk about hybrids at the very bottom. Its terminology is wrong for projectiles as it implies all projectiles are ballistic which is false, you can still have non-ballistic projectiles as I said ballistics simulation comes after the method, and this article contradicts the other Wikipedia article on the subject of sniper elite's usage which implies that a hitscan is used first and then the bullet animation plays.

 

[ERYFKRAD]

So they use star wars "lasers" that are way, way slower than bullets.

as far as i know, star wars calls them "blasters", and they're plasma, not lasers.

Star Wars has lasers on top of blasters. You are a fucking retard that a simple search on Wookieepedia would have given you the answer.

You really expect the rest of us to be fluent at reading Shyriiwook huh.

 

[Corbin Dallas Multipass]

So they use star wars "lasers" that are way, way slower than bullets.

as far as i know, star wars calls them "blasters", and they're plasma, not lasers.

Star Wars has lasers on top of blasters. You are a fucking retard that a simple search on Wookieepedia would have given you the answer.

OK calm down nerd. Literally nobody cares.

Also, they're called "turbolasers", at least the towers on the death star, and they shot slow bolts of zappage. So you're a dumbass nerd who is also wrong, the worst kind of dumbass nerd.

OK fine everything is hitscan. If I shoot a bullet out of a real life gun, the universe is just bouncing literal photons around for me to see what happens so real life guns are also hitscan. Boxing is hitscan. Nothing means anything anymore anyway, ballistics identify as hitscan so who are we to question them.

 

[JamesDixon]

So they use star wars "lasers" that are way, way slower than bullets.

as far as i know, star wars calls them "blasters", and they're plasma, not lasers.

Star Wars has lasers on top of blasters. You are a fucking retard that a simple search on Wookieepedia would have given you the answer.

OK calm down nerd. Literally nobody cares.

Also, they're called "turbolasers", at least the towers on the death star, and they shot slow bolts of zappage. So you're a dumbass nerd who is also wrong, the worst kind of dumbass nerd.

OK fine everything is hitscan. If I shoot a bullet out of a real life gun, the universe is just bouncing literal photons around for me to see what happens so real life guns are also hitscan. Boxing is hitscan. Nothing means anything anymore anyway, ballistics identify as hitscan so who are we to question them.

If nobody cared, you fucking waste of carbon, you wouldn't have quoted me to say that nobody cares. Go blow your self important shitheaded self out of my face.

Also, they are laser rifles, laser cannons, and turbo lasers. You can read the fucking article I linked can't you or are you so inbred that you lack the ability to do so?

Invalid comparison logical fallacy, momma's reject, since we're talking games not fucking real life. God you are such a pathetic little worm that it's a wonder your single whore mother didn't abort you after birth.

 

[Corbin Dallas Multipass]

So they use star wars "lasers" that are way, way slower than bullets.

as far as i know, star wars calls them "blasters", and they're plasma, not lasers.

Star Wars has lasers on top of blasters. You are a fucking retard that a simple search on Wookieepedia would have given you the answer.

OK calm down nerd. Literally nobody cares.

Also, they're called "turbolasers", at least the towers on the death star, and they shot slow bolts of zappage. So you're a dumbass nerd who is also wrong, the worst kind of dumbass nerd.

OK fine everything is hitscan. If I shoot a bullet out of a real life gun, the universe is just bouncing literal photons around for me to see what happens so real life guns are also hitscan. Boxing is hitscan. Nothing means anything anymore anyway, ballistics identify as hitscan so who are we to question them.

If nobody cared, you fucking waste of carbon, you wouldn't have quoted me to say that nobody cares. Go blow your self important shitheaded self out of my face.

Also, they are laser rifles, laser cannons, and turbo lasers. You can read the fucking article I linked can't you or are you so inbred that you lack the ability to do so?

Invalid comparison logical fallacy, momma's reject, since we're talking games not fucking real life. God you are such a pathetic little worm that it's a wonder your single whore mother didn't abort you after birth.

I care just enough to tell you what a retard you are. I'm definitely not gonna read some fanfiction based on star wars about it. Besides, I'm right. Turbolasers shoot slow bolts of bullshit that aren't lasers in star wars, therefore, you are a retard and your mother was probably a nice lady who just didn't have enough time to raise you correctly.

 

[JamesDixon]

I care just enough to tell you what a retard you are. I'm definitely not gonna read some fanfiction based on star wars about it. Besides, I'm right. Turbolasers shoot slow bolts of bullshit that aren't lasers in star wars, therefore, you are a retard and your mother was probably a nice lady who just didn't have enough time to raise you correctly.

Yes, you are a fucking retard. Said "fan-fiction" has sources and appearances. Did you bother to look at them?

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Oh look oh mighty mental midget it's all from official sources. Shut the fuck up princess the adults are talking.

 

[Corbin Dallas Multipass]

Lol yeah I'm gonna get right on reading your retarded list bro. There are 3 'official' star wars sources of information. They're called Star Wars, Star Wars: The Empire Strikes Back, and Star Wars: Return of the Jedi. They're movies that an autistic retard made that were accidentally awesome and great, even though they feature lots of cliches and just terrible dialog.

I enjoyed some of the books, especially the thrawn trilogy, but lets be honest, that shit is all basically fanfiction.

Regardless, in the three star wars movies that constitute the entirety of star wars, things called lasers shoot discrete bolts that fly decidedly slower than the speed of light. Many video games have similar 'lasers'. I enjoyed playing at least one game where they worked like actual lasers instead, it was interesting to try to actually burn something with a laser rather than pelt it with exploding 'laser' bullets that I have to lead. Lasers that you have to lead are by definition not really lasers. And also not hitscan. And no amount of lists or citations of fanfiction websites will change that.

 

[JamesDixon]

I'm a total retard because my dad is my grandpa and uncle while my mother is a whore for the entire family. @JamesDixon is right though.

You don't say. Nice of you to admit that you're wrong.

 

[Corbin Dallas Multipass]

I'm a total retard because my dad is my grandpa and uncle while my mother is a whore for the entire family. @JamesDixon is right though.

You don't say. Nice of you to admit that you're wrong.

One thing we can agree on is this idiotic argument about depictions of lasers and what constitutes hitscan (in which I am very clearly and obviously correct) is still way more engrossing and features more gameplay than star citizen ever will.

 

[JamesDixon]

I'm a total retard because my dad is my grandpa and uncle while my mother is a whore for the entire family. @JamesDixon is right though.

You don't say. Nice of you to admit that you're wrong.

I'm a big retard. JamesDixon was right about hitscan weapons.

Yes you are a big retard. Nice of you to admit that I was right about how hitscan weapons work. See it's not so hard to admit that you're a total retard and wrong.