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Serious Business - Is Dishonored better than Thief?

Discussion in 'General Gaming' started by Curratum, Jul 18, 2019.

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Which is the better game / series?

  1. Thief 1/2

    79.9%
  2. Dishonored 1/2

    7.1%
  3. I like both about equally

    13.0%
  1. HoboForEternity sunset tequila Patron

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    Never played dark messiah but i agree with the rating.

    This comes from a guy who love dishonored.

    I dont agree dishonores level design is repetitive. Dunwall is awesome, the problem is they are a tad too small because it was accustomed to last gen consoles processing power.

    It is only hand holdy if you abuse the shit of your powers and turn on the waypoints.

    D2 is actually an excellent game much better than D1. Tons of memorable levels, better and polished mechanics.
     
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  2. Child of Malkav Arbiter

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    I'm also replaying it. I don't think it aged poorly at all. It feels better than a lot of other games. It is a bit clunky when it comes to movement, true, but in Dishonored it's refined, more smooth, more responsive. That's how I consider it anyway.
    And the melee combat is also really good. Plus the spells, they're not many but quite varied, and not OP.
    The only OP thing is the kick, but it's like that because of the physics\ragdoll system they have. If you kick an NPC nothing spectacular happens, but if they're near stairs, ledges, spikes, fires etc., they literally fly across the room. Which is really fun.
     
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  3. JDR13 Magister

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    Mechanically, DM definitely aged poorly in some ways. Using ladders is more dangerous than half the enemies. I'm pretty sure I died more times from falling off a ladder due to imprecise controls than from actual combat. Like I said, it's still a fun game though.
     
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  4. Its from the same studio and it also features melee combat. I certainly didn't expect them to downgrade on game play
    mechanics they had already done.

    What is the focus of Dishonored ? Going by the posts so far, it sounds like it was supposed to offer both,
    stealth and combat but excelled at neither.
     
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  5. JDR13 Magister

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    So because it's from the same studio and also features melee combat? That's pretty fucking dumb to be honest. Dishonored doesn't focus entirely on combat like DM.
     
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    Dishonored is a Dmc type of a game, it's not hard, but you can pull off a lot of stylish stuff.

    It offers tons of playstyles, while thief is mostly pure stealth, no point in comparing them.
     
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  7. passerby Augur

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    Blink, double jumps, automatic parkour, teleporting for takedown animations and other simillar overpowered movement powers trivialize gameplay in modern games completely, no skill, or thought required, it's all just awesome button mashing.
     
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  8. And that is an excuse to have worse mechanics than a game they already did ? The trailers and many presentations of the game feature
    vividly the action aspects. On first look, it is everything but clear that the game doesn't focus on combat. I didn't expect it to be a combat
    simulator revelation but at least to be on par and to fix obviously broken things like the overpowered kick. I don't see how that is dumb,
    uninformed perhaps and optimistic admittedly.
     
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  9. JDR13 Magister

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    I think it's fairly logical that a game which isn't completely focused on one thing usually isn't going to be as good in one particular aspect as a game that is focused on that aspect.
     
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  10. Adopting and transferring working mechanics from your former game to your new game, which features the same
    game play aspects, seems logical to me. Why would you make it even worse ? That seems strange to me.
    Why make the game play worse for gods sake if you are capable of a good implementation ? Because it isn't the
    focus of the game ? I find that disappointing and i think its legitimate.
     
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  11. JDR13 Magister

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    It doesn't play worse. I just replayed DM and it was clunky as hell by comparison.

    It's ok to have different opinions though. You didn't like Dishonored as much, and that's fine. Maybe you'll like the sequel more.
     
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    I think Dishonored (by which I mean both games, the series overall) would have been a lot better in terms of gameplay if they did two things:

    1. Make health potions much more scarce, and make them take somewhat longer to heal. Comparable to a health potion in Thief, or slower. Similar delay on food. IIRC Dh2 did at least add a setting to do this, but I don't remember how much effect it really had.
    2. Make powers cost health (with the more powerful ones killing you immediately if you're not at say 90% health or better), and delete mana from the game. As I understand it, this was originally how they worked. It would have made the use of powers much more rare, making them feel more special and also balancing them. It would be in keeping with the tone of the setting as well - witchcraft isn't safe and friendly. On that note I'd also argue all bone charms should have come with some downside.
     
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  13. I am talking only about the melee combat game play, i do not the judge overall game-play as i have barely played it. But lets rest that
    point.

    Which games are most similar to it ? It didn't feel like Thief to me and it isn't a combat focused game, i hear, but what is it ?
    Does it play like the new Deus Ex games or more like Bioshock ?
     
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    It's nothing like Bioshock. I guess you could say it's similar to Deus Ex in some ways, although the setting couldn't be more different. Like Deus Ex, most missions give you a choice between taking a stealthy route or fighting your way through.

    The world in Dishonored is pretty unique and has a very distinct art style. That was one of my favorite things about the game. It's not for everyone though.
     
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    Dishonored is really easy, even on the highest difficulty. However it's often not pointed out that Dishonored 2 is significantly harder. I'm not saying it's some super difficult game, but if you want to fully stealth it on the hardest difficulty you're going to be challenged. Enemies notice you a LOT easier than in the first game.
     
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    There are exactly 2 playstyles: with Blink and without Blink. The rest is irrelevant.
     
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    I finished both Dishonored games without using any powers or gadgets, going full stealth without killing anyone. That in my opinion is the best way to play those games.

    Even then both of them are very easy, second one being a bit more difficult.

    Personally I prefer Dishonored games over Prey, mostly due preference to steampunk setting and bigger more open maps to explore.
     
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  18. Are levels designed to be explored or do you simply have to reach the end of a level
    to progress ?
     
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  19. JDR13 Magister

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    I thought you said you played it some. It really doesn't seem like you've played it at all.

    Why don't you just try it for yourself instead of asking all these questions? It's easy to find a Steam key for less than $10
     
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  20. I played it for an hour or two and that was is years ago. My impressions back then were so bad i never
    touched it again and forgot almost all about it. The only things that stuck were some of the reasons why
    i stopped playing it.
    I actually consider giving it a second chance and buying it since the games are now on gog. This is exactly
    why id like more information about it. But the trailers and and most videos don't look like my cup of tee, on
    the other hand some people say its good and has stealth game play.
     
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    It has stealth gameplay. In D2 you have many options for non lethal moves even during combat. Don't expect the level of stealth to be the same as the one in Thief\SC.
     
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    Just look at the design and the cutscenes, trailers etc. What can you expect from it? It's trash. Anyone who's defending it is the same kind of idiots that yell and rate your post shit when you post "DS1 over DS2 is not even a discussion".
     
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    The Dishonered playing cuck vs the alpha chad playing Thief.
     
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