Shadowrun Shadowrun Returns - Dead Man's Switch Original Campaign

[Darth Roxor]

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH! Bring back proper expanshuns that are like the base game in content!


WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH! This expanshun that is meant to be like the base game is TOO EXPENSIVE at 15 dorra, my parents will never give me dis much! Also I'm gonna call it DLC because I'm fucking retarded!

 

[Infinitron]

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH! Bring back proper expanshuns that are like the base game in content!


WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH! This expanshun that is meant to be like the base game is TOO EXPENSIVE at 15 dorra, my parents will never give me dis much! Also I'm gonna call it DLC because I'm fucking retarded!

I agree that the complaints about the $15 price are retarded, but you wouldn't launch a GOTY Edition and an expansion pack at the same time where the former is clearly a much better deal.

 

[JohnTheRevelator]

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH! Bring back proper expanshuns that are like the base game in content!


WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH! This expanshun that is meant to be like the base game is TOO EXPENSIVE at 15 dorra, my parents will never give me dis much! Also I'm gonna call it DLC because I'm fucking retarded!

 

[sea]

I dunno. I was late to the party and bought the game after the Kickstarter ran. I never bought it with the expectation I would be getting free DLC. I think HBS can charge whatever they want for Berlin; whether it's any good and whether it's reasonably priced will determine its sales figures. But I certainly don't feel entitled to something I never bought.

 

[Darth Roxor]

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH! Bring back proper expanshuns that are like the base game in content!


WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH! This expanshun that is meant to be like the base game is TOO EXPENSIVE at 15 dorra, my parents will never give me dis much! Also I'm gonna call it DLC because I'm fucking retarded!

 

[SwiftCrack]

Is Dragonfall going to get a physical copy too?

 

[tuluse]

I dunno. I was late to the party and bought the game after the Kickstarter ran. I never bought it with the expectation I would be getting free DLC. I think HBS can charge whatever they want for Berlin; whether it's any good and whether it's reasonably priced will determine its sales figures. But I certainly don't feel entitled to something I never bought.

It's kind of a dick move to charge less for new people than for people who were supporting you longer.

 

[Sensuki]

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[Infinitron]

I would suggest they do this:

REMOVE the base Shadowrun Returns from the Steam store entirely - but keep an option to upgrade it with the Dragonfall DLC. Reduce the price of the DLC upgrade (now available only to existing early Shadowrun Returns buyers) to $10.

From that point onward, the combined Dead Man's Switch/Dragonfall will be the default package. That way they get their brand relaunch, and early buyers feel like they've gotten a little bonus other people didn't get.

A variant of this would be to restrict the $5 discount on the DLC to pre-orderers only.

 

[DeepOcean]

They said the DLC got upgraded to a full campaign and it's going to be hub based with missions that you can do in different order for different factions, Shadowrun Returns was a little too simplistic what was a dissapointment but it was worth 15 $ for me.

HBS is infamous for saying one thing and doing something else.

That is why I gonna wait for monocled opinions about it before risking buying it but even if the same thing as DMS, 15$ is kinda acceptable as the original wasn't brillant but it was fun and worth the price. Besides, more props for my mod.

 

[sea]

It's kind of a dick move to charge less for new people than for people who were supporting you longer.

You already bought the game a year ago; you paid a premium to get it first. Remember, Kickstarter backers get the DLC for free, so who's left? People who weren't backers or those who were late to the party. It's not like it's cheaper to buy the combo than to buy the DLC on its own. I don't see the problem, especially if the price on the "standard edition" gets dropped down to $15 or something.

Ultimately maybe $15 is a little much for the available content (I can't say), but it doesn't strike me as unreasonable.

 

[Spectacle]

I'm not lying.

Here is the relevant Neogaf thread. I'm not the only one who felt this way:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=539736

Your "feelings" are irrelevant, do you have any facts to back up that ever promised Berlin for free to people who bought the game on steam?

 

[almondblight]

HBS are in kind of a bind here. I suspect that they see the original release as effectively a "beta" or "early access" of Shadowrun: Dragonfall (but with the peculiar feature of having an entirely different campaign), and that this release is effectively a relaunch of the title..

HBS was expecting to push out a linear and short (shorter than DMS) expansion in October. Because of the disappointment with DMS, the rumor started by fans that Berlin would be a sandbox game like the Genesis game, and perhaps some shaming that half the user content was more open than their game, they decided to delay and add some of the things people wanted.

Hard to know what exactly is going on inside HBS. They seem to do some things well on the one hand, and on the other they seem to have a need to be dragged kicking and screaming toward competent decisions.

It's kind of a dick move to charge less for new people than for people who were supporting you longer.

Isn't that what happens, like, every time a game goes on sale? Charging new people less seems to not only be the standard, but I've seen numerous people complain when it doesn't happen ("Vogel/KotC guy haven't dropped the price of their game in 5 years!").

 

[Roguey]

Is Dragonfall going to get a physical copy too?

Making physical copies for DMS was a huge hassle, so no chance. It'd be pure loss for them.

 

[SwiftCrack]

Is Dragonfall going to get a physical copy too?

Making physical copies for DMS was a huge hassle, so no chance. It'd be pure loss for them.

Good. Sounded like a huge money waster to me too.

 

[veryalien]

I dunno. I was late to the party and bought the game after the Kickstarter ran. I never bought it with the expectation I would be getting free DLC. I think HBS can charge whatever they want for Berlin; whether it's any good and whether it's reasonably priced will determine its sales figures. But I certainly don't feel entitled to something I never bought.

It's a very simple thing. If Inxile said they would add a companion at a certain stretch goal and we reach it, and then they released that companion as DLC but charged non backers for it, how would you feel?

Some folks didn't care. Some others demanded a refund from HBS because it broke with the spirit of Kickstarter. It's fine to sell the game you made, but don't break up content and turn it into DLC non backers have to pay for. That's fucked up man. The development cost was set by the stretch goal.

Now I know Obsidian plans an expansion with PE, but they clearly said it would be a paid expansion, and you have to pledge more to get it. That's fine by me. It's very clear. HBS did not do this. They did a bait and switch after.

 

[veryalien]

I'm not lying.

Here is the relevant Neogaf thread. I'm not the only one who felt this way:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=539736

Your "feelings" are irrelevant, do you have any facts to back up that ever promised Berlin for free to people who bought the game on steam?

I don't need facts. It's pretty much assumed when you say you're going to add a second city to the game that it goes in the game, not a separate DLC non-backers have to pay for. The onus is on you to explain how you plan on monetizing the content if you're not straight up including it in your game.

HBS did not do this. Shit, they even released the game with DRM when it first came out. They pretty much did not care until people called them on it then scrambled to fix things.

 

[SwiftCrack]

JFC Alien you are literally retarded.

 

[tuluse]

Isn't that what happens, like, every time a game goes on sale? Charging new people less seems to not only be the standard, but I've seen numerous people complain when it doesn't happen ("Vogel/KotC guy haven't dropped the price of their game in 5 years!").

Usually the base game gets a discount and the dlc is the same price for everyone. You could argue that's what's happening here, but that is a steep discount.

 

[veryalien]

JFC Alien you are literally retarded.

I'll stop ranting. I just feel strongly fucked by what HBS did.

 

[Spectacle]

I'm not lying.

Here is the relevant Neogaf thread. I'm not the only one who felt this way:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=539736

Your "feelings" are irrelevant, do you have any facts to back up that ever promised Berlin for free to people who bought the game on steam?

I don't need facts. It's pretty much assumed when you say you're going to add a second city to the game that it goes in the game, not a separate DLC non-backers have to pay for. The onus is on you to explain how you plan on monetizing the content if you're not straight up including it in your game.

HBS did not do this. Shit, they even released the game with DRM when it first came out. They pretty much did not care until people called them on it then scrambled to fix things.

But by the time the game came out on steam, both the DLC and DRM situations were expicitly clear, so only idiots would have ended up buying the game without realising they would not get the second city for free.

 

[SwiftCrack]

Don't bother. He doesn't need facts.

 

[DeepOcean]

I dunno. I was late to the party and bought the game after the Kickstarter ran. I never bought it with the expectation I would be getting free DLC. I think HBS can charge whatever they want for Berlin; whether it's any good and whether it's reasonably priced will determine its sales figures. But I certainly don't feel entitled to something I never bought.

It's a very simple thing. If Inxile said they would add a companion at a certain stretch goal and we reach it, and then they released that companion as DLC but charged non backers for it, how would you feel?

Some folks didn't care. Some others demanded a refund from HBS because it broke with the spirit of Kickstarter. It's fine to sell the game you made, but don't break up content and turn it into DLC non backers have to pay for. That's fucked up man. The development cost was set by the stretch goal.

Now I know Obsidian plans an expansion with PE, but they clearly said it would be a paid expansion, and you have to pledge more to get it. That's fine by me. It's very clear. HBS did not do this. They did a bait and switch after.

It's their game, they have only an obligation with the people who helped them fund the project. If they want to divide the game in one hundred pieces and sell them for non backers, they have all the right to do it. I wouldn't buy if they did that but there is nothing morally wrong in charging non-backers more.

 

[veryalien]

But by the time the game came out on steam, both the DLC and DRM situations were expicitly clear, so only idiots would have ended up buying the game without realising they would not get the second city for free.

Wait, what?

No the DRM situation was not crystal clear during the Kickstarter. They said DRM free and did not deliver until almost a year later when they got so much flak for it they had no choice. Do you work for HBS or something?

 

[Infinitron]

I think we can say that at an early stage it seemed like HBS were promising "two cities in the same game" in exchange for hitting the stretch goal, and then at some point that transformed into "if we hit the stretch goal we'll make another game", which is a bit weird.

But meh, get the fuck over it. Criticize gameplay, not marketing.