Shane Plays - LPs and Interviews

[sstacks]

sstacks ask Felipe what he thinks about the GOTY poll being hijacked by Polish agents?

Well, felipepepe?

 

[sstacks]

I just listened to the last 15 minutes of the show. I only heard two voices. Was felipepe having the mic problem since the beginning?

Yep

We tested the day before and all was well, at show time Murphy visited.

 

[sstacks]

Nice a commercial for C&C.

Yeah C&C is fun and the Troll Lord guys are cool... they're right here in the Little Rock area with me

 

[sstacks]

http://trolllord.com/cnc/

Interedasting.

C&C is like old school D&D feel with updated rules. It's based on the D20 OGL.

 

[Zed]

it was a nice show, thanks for putting it on.

 

[sstacks]

Shane if you get a chance to, ask them what they think of games that have Enhanced Editions, Definitive Editions, Director's Cuts, but there is no opportunity to buy the original/classic version.

Maybe felipepepe can respond here... I'll reach out to Matt and if I get an answer I'll include it in the podcast version of the show when it goes out.

 

[sstacks]

it was a nice show, thanks for putting it on.

Thank you! I feel bad for felipepepe about the audio issues, but we hung in there and managed to pull some kind of show out of the chaos

 

[Xorphitus]

Nice a commercial for C&C.

Yeah C&C is fun and the Troll Lord guys are cool... they're right here in the Little Rock area with me

Have you ever attended a Troll Con or have the Chenault's on your program?

 

[felipepepe]

Shane if you get a chance to, ask them what they think of games that have Enhanced Editions, Definitive Editions, Director's Cuts, but there is no opportunity to buy the original/classic version.

Maybe felipepepe can respond here... I'll reach out to Matt and if I get an answer I'll include it in the podcast version of the show when it goes out.

I understand why people do these re-releases, it's hard to get everything right on the first try and giving your gave a second chance to impress surely helps sales. Besides, even AoD or Underrail got a ton of patches post-release and you can't simply choose to download the original 1.0 version.

The problem is when they fuck the game, like W2;DC's console UI ("InXile IS PC FIRST, I SWEAR!"), or Baldur's Gate:EE. Regardless, the high seas will always be there for those in search of freedom...

 

[sstacks]

Nice a commercial for C&C.

Yeah C&C is fun and the Troll Lord guys are cool... they're right here in the Little Rock area with me

Have you ever attended a Troll Con or have the Chenault's on your program?

Steve has been on the show with me several times and likely will be again, he likes to come on I have not met Davis. There are occasional murmurs of another Troll Con some day. I am planning at some point on doing one day tabletop RPG events at local hotels a few times a year.

 

[Xorphitus]

Cool! Hopefully I will be able to listen in if/when you get Steve back on the show.

 

[sstacks]

This episode: We manage to take down the Ashen Priest and get everyone leveled up after completing Hommet's companion quest. Next Up: The super triple secret Gilded Eye HQ!

 

[sstacks]

Podcast version of Saturday's show with felipepepe & Matt Barton discussing the Codex's 2016 GOTY voting is now out.

Mustawd & Zorba the Hutt I recorded some extra audio to answer your forum questions. Matt Barton also joined me for some extra discussion beyond the radio show stuff.

Podcast:
http://shaneplays.com/2016-crpg-game-of-the-year-radio-show-podcast-ep-87/

YouTube version (audio only):

 

[Mustawd]

Mustawd & Zorba the Hutt I recorded some extra audio to answer your forum questions. Matt Barton also joined me for some extra discussion beyond the radio show stuff.

Shane, thanks to Matt and you for answering our questions. In terms if I had a specific game in mind, I'd say D:OS's EE is kind of what prompted my question.

The Classic version is no longer available to be purchase don Steam, although if you already own it you can still play it. The only version is the EE, which in terms of tactics many find superior.

The issue for me becomes when the game changes dramatically in ways that a consumer might find very negative. For example, D:OS Classic was not fully voice acted. A feature for me, as I find most voice acting to be mediocre and can be immersion breaking. In addition, my understanding is that they changed the voice actor of the cheese vendor, who in the classic game had a very distinct personality and sound.

The way I see it, the developers have a big incentive to market their EE/DC/DE etc versions over the older, classic versions. For one, you can control the marketing of the product if you stick to one version (NOW, FULLY VOICE ACTED!!). Also, more cynically, you can charge more for something that has "upgrades" compared to the original. Or at the very least you can probably keep prices higher for a longer period of time before resorting to sales as potential buyers will view the new versions as being premium over the originals.

At least with the IE games, physical copies do still exist if you want to find them on ebay and get them legitimately. But is anyone really expecting Larian to ever release the original classic D:OS? Of course not. Those are lost in the digital timeline of its release, with only available copies out there in pirate land. And I find this extremely unfortunate, even though I understand the business reasons behind it.

The saddest part is that this can be easily fixed by simply including the classic versions as free along with a full priced version of the version (if desired). Many games do this with their very much older games (BT4 and the emulated original BT's), and it doesn't hurt the experience or the sales of the newer version.

 

[SniperHF]

Shane, thanks to Matt and you for answering our questions. In terms if I had a specific game in mind, I'd say D:OS's EE is kind of what prompted my question.

The Classic version is no longer available to be purchase don Steam, although if you already own it you can still play it. The only version is the EE, which in terms of tactics many find superior.

It wasn't always this way, but Larian eventually caved and made the Classic version available to new EE purchasers on Steam automatically. I think they got tired of dealing with the support emails

For GOG.com you can get it but I believe you have to request it.

 

[Mustawd]

It wasn't always this way, but Larian eventually caved and made the Classic version available to new EE purchasers on Steam automatically. I think they got tired of dealing with the support emails

Nice! Thanks, I didn't know that.

 

[SniperHF]

The issue does exist with other games anyway. Pretty sure WL2 is in that boat.

What Felipe said about patches is a similar issue too. I almost always keep a downloaded version of the 1.0 release floating around from GOG. If nothing else it lets me roll back a patch I didn't like. I've heard of GOG specifically providing unadvertised links to older versions in the past but I think that practice stopped when Galaxy came out.

 

[Hobo Elf]

The issue does exist with other games anyway. Pretty sure WL2 is in that boat.

What Felipe said about patches is a similar issue too. I almost always keep a downloaded version of the 1.0 release floating around from GOG. If nothing else it lets me roll back a patch I didn't like. I've heard of GOG specifically providing unadvertised links to older versions in the past but I think that practice stopped when Galaxy came out.

Galaxy lets you rollback to previous versions.

 

[sstacks]

The saddest part is that this can be easily fixed by simply including the classic versions as free along with a full priced version of the version (if desired). Many games do this with their very much older games (BT4 and the emulated original BT's), and it doesn't hurt the experience or the sales of the newer version.

That would indeed be the best way to handle it IMHO.

 

[MicoSelva]

sstacks
I just wanted to mention that you get classic versions of Baldur's Gate 1 and 2 on GOG if you buy the enhanced ones.

https://af.gog.com/game/baldurs_gate_enhanced_edition?as=1649904300

Baldur's Gate: Enhanced Edition includes the classic Baldur's Gate: The Original Saga.

https://af.gog.com/game/baldurs_gate_2_enhanced_edition?as=1649904300

Baldur's Gate II: Enhanced Edition includes the classic Baldur's Gate 2 Complete.

And yeah, it sucks if the original version is not available any more, for a variety of reasons.

 

[sstacks]

This episode: We go bear hunting and then begin storming the castle of our enemies the Gilded Eye. Looks like their leader may be under the influence of... a succubus?!

 

[sstacks]

FYI as a reminder I am doing a lot of SLC videos to try to wrap it up and make room for Torment: Tides of Numenera

P.S. Also because I know Zorba loves it so much

 

[vonAchdorf]

You are probably the only person still playing this game.

 

[sstacks]

You are probably the only person still playing this game.

I ain't afraid of the road less traveled

 

[sstacks]

I don't post all of my shows here and very rarely post non-CRPG show on this thread, however my guest made the jump from designing tabletop RPGs to video games (Destiny at Bungie) and I thought some folks might be interested in that part of the dicussion.

Highlights: Geek news; Game designer Rodney Thompson (D&D 5th Edition, Star Wars Saga system, Lords of Waterdeep, Destiny video game) discusses his Dusk City Outlaws fantasy heist RPG.