Skyrim is worse than Oblivion in every way

[hakuroshi]

As far as i know they will remain hostile except for the ones in Druadach Redoubt where Madanach resides after the quest. Maybe if you wear the armor of the old gods which is given to you by Madanach they won't, but i haven't tried that to be honest.

Maybe. Skyrim has a few moments which look like c&c but aren't. I think they warned me and told to go away and attacked only if I persisted. But maybe they always were like that.

 

[Commissar Draco]

I wish the dragon rubbish had been shelved entirely and we'd seen a relatively low-fantasy, politics-based plot based around Thalmor-Imperial-Stormcloak-Forsworn jousting over Skyrim. A fantasy New Vegas if you will.

They're mods for that: First remove Dragons as Cliffracers:

http://skyrim.nexusmods.com/mods/21615/?

Then you add mods to expand factions like this one about Blades:

http://skyrim.nexusmods.com/mods/11750/?

Recruiting more blades is optional, it flashes the Blade-Thalmor Conflict and its fixes the derpastic Blades demand Parteno-Brox Execution. Blades serve Dragonbornes not the other way around.

 

[Commissar Draco]

As far as i know they will remain hostile except for the ones in Druadach Redoubt where Madanach resides after the quest. Maybe if you wear the armor of the old gods which is given to you by Madanach they won't, but i haven't tried that to be honest.

Maybe. Skyrim has a few moments which look like c&c but aren't. I think they warned me and told to go away and attacked only if I persisted. But maybe they always were like that.

Sadly only serius CoC is to what side of Civil War to fight for and who you will spare in some of the quests but there's some rudimentary faction disposition system built into the engine; not on the scale both Morrowind and FNV have but again Modders can fix it.

 

[Commissar Draco]

I don't think the Thalmor are that comically evil, apart from their herpaderp about Master Race. As long as you comply to their demands they more or less leave you alone. Skyrim itself is only undergoing a war because Ulfric got butthurt about the king accepting their "No Talos" rule.

they literally want to destroy the universe though

Destroy Linear Time and Children of Lorkhan AKA Men more like but yet I didn't met a single one Thalmor who was not evil or sympathetic. Stormderps look like liberal hipppies when compared to them.

 

[Jugashvili]

Speaking of the Thalmor and stereotypical baddies in general, it's not like they didn't play the nazi card with Ulfric's guys either, what with them being ZE STURMABTEILUNGcloaks, a violent gang of Aryans Nords who segregate Jews Dunmer in the Ghettos Grey Quarter. I almost expected Ulfric to speak of a final solution at one point.

I guess casuals' brains won't process the fact that a guy is evil unless you show them puttin' on the Reich.

 

[Commissar Draco]

If you played Morrowind you notice Dunmer are the last people who should whine and bitch about being persecuted, discriminated and sterotyped; at least Civil War is not portrayed as Black and White Conflict although Commissar do have bias towards the enlightened Imperialism of Pro Empire half of Skyrim... then again you meet Thalmor Inquisition and feel the need to throw the elf down the well.
Greater problem than alleged Stormderp racism is their leader character and motives... which tend to be revealed later in the game and geo-politic concerns.

 

[Admiral jimbob]

Might give Skyrim another try with Requiem and more of the civil war mods. Tried it last year with a nightblade-style character and a few civil war expansion and rebalancing mods, idea was to play a character who would roam the lands, finding key battles and assassinating key targets to tip the balance of power in favour of a strong and united Empire. Unfortunately, the mods to make it a possibility weren't really around just yet (or I didn't find them) and he ended up just being a tedious gimped light-armour fighter who kept helplessly levelling up through Speechcraft every single time he used a shout (thank you SkyRe) and thus had terrible stats and kept getting the shit beaten out of him by sword-sponge enemies. Not the most fun.

 

[Commissar Draco]

Might give Skyrim another try with Requiem and more of the civil war mods. Tried it last year with a nightblade-style character and a few civil war expansion and rebalancing mods, idea was to play a character who would roam the lands, finding key battles and assassinating key targets to tip the balance of power in favour of a strong and united Empire. Unfortunately, the mods to make it a possibility weren't really around just yet (or I didn't find them) and he ended up just being a tedious gimped light-armour fighter who kept helplessly levelling up through Speechcraft every single time he used a shout (thank you SkyRe) and thus had terrible stats and kept getting the shit beaten out of him by sword-sponge enemies. Not the most fun.

Is this Civil War Mod any good?

http://skyrim.nexusmods.com/mods/37216/?

 

[Clockwork Knight]

I don't think the Thalmor are that comically evil, apart from their herpaderp about Master Race. As long as you comply to their demands they more or less leave you alone. Skyrim itself is only undergoing a war because Ulfric got butthurt about the king accepting their "No Talos" rule.

they literally want to destroy the universe though

Aren't those just the sekrit plans of their crazy leaders or something? You'd think they'd have a hard time finding allies this way.

I wish the dragon rubbish had been shelved entirely and we'd seen a relatively low-fantasy, politics-based plot based around Thalmor-Imperial-Stormcloak-Forsworn jousting over Skyrim. A fantasy New Vegas if you will.

Bro, a book of Fireball costs less than a suit of leather armor. It's gonna take a lot more than "no dragons" to make Elder Scrolls low-fantasy.

 

[Admiral jimbob]

Might give Skyrim another try with Requiem and more of the civil war mods. Tried it last year with a nightblade-style character and a few civil war expansion and rebalancing mods, idea was to play a character who would roam the lands, finding key battles and assassinating key targets to tip the balance of power in favour of a strong and united Empire. Unfortunately, the mods to make it a possibility weren't really around just yet (or I didn't find them) and he ended up just being a tedious gimped light-armour fighter who kept helplessly levelling up through Speechcraft every single time he used a shout (thank you SkyRe) and thus had terrible stats and kept getting the shit beaten out of him by sword-sponge enemies. Not the most fun.

Is this Civil War Mod any good?

http://skyrim.nexusmods.com/mods/37216/?

No idea, looks like it just came out this year. Looks pretty great, though, will definitely add it to my list.

 

[Turisas]

Dunno if it's been fixed already, but the first versions of Civil War Overhaul were bloaty as fuck. Keep those saves from before you installed the mod handy just in case if you do decide to go with it. Immersive Patrols is probably the better choice, though.

 

[Lhynn]

Dunno if it's been fixed already, but the first versions of Civil War Overhaul were bloaty as fuck. Keep those saves from before you installed the mod handy just in case if you do decide to go with it. Immersive Patrols is probably the better choice, though.

The version i got just spawns like 5 motherfuckers punching other 3/5 motherfukers, so not bloaty at all.

 

[Turisas]

I meant savegame bloating, CWO has some heavy scripting going.

 

[Night Goat]

If you played Morrowind you notice Dunmer are the last people who should whine and bitch about being persecuted, discriminated and sterotyped;

Why should modern Dunmer be punished for what their ancestors did two hundred years ago?

 

[XenomorphII]

If you played Morrowind you notice Dunmer are the last people who should whine and bitch about being persecuted, discriminated and sterotyped;

Why should modern Dunmer be punished for what their ancestors did two hundred years ago?

I was under the impression that the Dunmer (and their culture) haven't changed at all (or are only just starting to change because Morrowind is by and large either a wasteland, or occupied by Argonians).

 

[abnaxus]

Most of the "evil" of the Thalmor, i.e. wanting to erase Talos from the mythic and henceforth erase humanity, is established on Imperial Library and Elder Scrolls lore forum.

Next Elder Scrolls will just fast forward a couple of centuries anyway.

 

[Commissar Draco]

Why should modern Dunmer be punished for what their ancestors did two hundred years ago?

250 years for Mer is like 25 for men so many of Elves you meet in Skyrim were hurling You N'wah! on Neverrarine. My point was that every race in Tamariel is xenophobic and ''racist''* so picking the side in civil war cause Stormderps are ''racist'' is stupid... and Yes it applies to Stormfront Ulfric Fan Club too.

*Its not really racist at all but religious conflict between followers of Auriel and Lorkhan; Imperial tried to skip over this conflict by creating Aka-tosh which was both of those Gods combined and in theory should unite all races, how it ended was showed in Skyrim with both fundamentalist Thalmor Elves and Talos Nords ganging on them; and another non bigoted group Orcs worship Malcath which is Cleavean Deity instead refusing to take sides.

Why take Empire side than? The answer lies in Thalmor embassy Coffers and in Sovengard. Empire is lesser evil nothing more and nothing less.

 

[Night Goat]

Has a canon life expectancy for elves been established? I know some of them are hundreds of years old, but AFAIK they're all wizards, so they could've used magic to extend their lifespans. Anyway it seems like at least some of the ghetto Dunmer would be under two hundred years old, but since Bethesda didn't bother making any elf children I could be wrong.

Next Elder Scrolls will just fast forward a couple of centuries anyway.

It's a bit early to be making predictions like that. I don't think Bethesda would go to the trouble of setting the Thalmor up as major villains, only to forget about them. Maybe I'm giving them too much credit, but my own baseless prediction is that TES VI will focus on the conflict with the Dominion; liberating Valenwood and Elswheyr, or invading Summerset Isle. Sadly, they'll probably go back to ruining Fallout before they make another Elder Scrolls game.

 

[Jugashvili]

I was under the impression that the Dunmer (and their culture) haven't changed at all

Yes they have, Cao Mengde. For one thing, they are no longer mer; they are Dick Van Dyke in blue makeup.

 

[Rod Rodderson]

Has a canon life expectancy for elves been established?

I'm positive I read about that somewhere, some years ago, and got a set of values. But I think that might have ultimately been extrapolation in the lore forum, I don't know. One thing to note, though, is that Phynaster is worshiped as a god, and one of his major contributions was teaching the Altmer a way to live an extra hundred years, so that must be at least a considerable portion of their average life expectancy.

Though depending on your opinion of TESO, you can get something from the devs there. Multiple somethings, no less. In one instance, they gave a range of 200-300 years for elves, where 300 was very very old, not counting magic. On another, they said 1200 for all elves. Both of these are rubbish, of course, for various reasons, but it's a thing that happened.

 

[Commissar Draco]

Wasn't Queen Berenziach 400 years old when Neverarine met her in Tribunal? She was still kicking in good mental health and not a wizard/half god.

 

[Borelli]

Speaking of the Thalmor and stereotypical baddies in general, it's not like they didn't play the nazi card with Ulfric's guys either, what with them being ZE STURMABTEILUNGcloaks, a violent gang of Aryans Nords who segregate Jews Dunmer in the Ghettos Grey Quarter. I almost expected Ulfric to speak of a final solution at one point.

I guess casuals' brains won't process the fact that a guy is evil unless you show them puttin' on the Reich.

Dunmer hating is something that all nords do. Stormcloaks are mostly depicted as the good guys fighting the evil empire and their Thalmor overlords.

 

[Spectacle]

Speaking of the Thalmor and stereotypical baddies in general, it's not like they didn't play the nazi card with Ulfric's guys either, what with them being ZE STURMABTEILUNGcloaks, a violent gang of Aryans Nords who segregate Jews Dunmer in the Ghettos Grey Quarter. I almost expected Ulfric to speak of a final solution at one point.

I got the impression the Dunmer live in the ghetto not because they're segregated but because they're poor as fuck refugees who can't afford anything better. The situation in Windhelm seems to mirror modern day immigration tensions rather than nazi-style persecution.

 

[Commissar Draco]

There're Dark Elves expats living in Riften another Stormderp hold and nobody forces them to live in ghetto; On the other hand Riften is hive of scum and villainy poor and down rotten as a whole (which is by poor coincidence the way all Stormderps run holds are)

 

[Turjan]

Has a canon life expectancy for elves been established?.

From Interview with a Dark Elf, a promo snippet published before Morrowind came out:

I've always been curious about the lifespan of elves. We all know they live much longer than all other races, is this true for the Dunmer as well? How many years would it take for you to be considered 'old'?
Alvur Relds: Well, I'm fifty, done my twenty years in the Service, and I'm in the prime of life. I expect another fifty good years, and then I'll be old, and slow, chatting with gaffers around the hearth for another twenty, thirty years. I've known mer still mind-sharp in their late hundreds, and heard of folk 200 and older. My family usually makes it to 120-130, providing we don't get sick or poked in the eye.