Skyrim is worse than Oblivion in every way

[Lhynn]

Cadmus irl doing athletic shit repeatedly makes you an athletic guy, yet not everyone bothers with it. TES only looks to imitate it, and it cant be held accountable for the behavior of their OCD players.

That's not a good comparison. Nobody in real life goes through every open house to steal and sell every fork and bowl to get rich yet many games heavily encourage such behavior. The game can be held accountable for requiring OCD behavior as a legitimate gameplay strategy if you actually want to get those statistics high. If you shouldn't want to get them high, why the fuck are they even in there? What the fuck you gonna do if you want good acrobatics in Morrowind? Either train it or bunny jump like a retard. Is bunny jumping like a retard fun to you? It's not to me. There's no fucking way you get the skill to any reasonable level while behaving "normally" ingame. Therefore I don't see why couldn't it be handled in a better way.
A) make it a perk (the laziest way, but can be salvaged by having the base jumping feel inadequate, but then again why the fuck you'd do that?)
B) make it only be possible to upgrade with a buyable training (while keeping the base jump usable AND while providing plenty of opportunity to use the upgraded jump)
C) make it only dependent on a governing stat - this seems the best solution, while not requiring retarded behavior you are also given an opportunity to upgrade your character and support your playstyle (which is uuh, I guess man-who-jumps-on-rocks-to-not-get-killed-by-angry-boars)

increase the base value of your jumping height to an acceptable level. increase rate at which it improves, decrease benefits from having it high. just modifiying a couple numbers can fix it.
Plus you have levitate in items, why even bother?
If the attributes are what worries you just make every level up give you all 3 or 5 on attribute selection, i installed a mod that did this and never looked back.

 

[Cadmus]

increase the base value of your jumping height to an acceptable level. increase rate at which it improves, decrease benefits from having it high. just modifiying a couple numbers can fix it.
Plus you have levitate in items, why even bother?
If the attributes are what worries you just make every level up give you all 3 or 5 on attribute selection, i installed a mod that did this and never looked back.

But it seems to me your fix just made any upgrade to jumping unexciting in order to discourage now the improved rate of gaining xp in the skill which basically even more encourages abusing it?
Well, it would not be that bad, jumping is a really minor skill anyway, but I don't think this would be much of an improvement. The problem is still the same as making three thousand iron daggers in Skyrim.

 

[dextermorgan]

Paying for games is definitely the wrong thing to do.

That's not what I said. I said it's wrong to give money to Bethesda.

Bethesda contracting Obsidian to make a proper Fallout 2 sequel, hiring Harvey Smith to make a real Deus Ex/Thief hybrid game and improving on Oblivion tenfold when making Skyrim are things to be rewarded. If you have a super tight asshole about money wait for a Steam sale, sure, but reward them nonetheless. The whole "piracy as a statement" thing only works if you eventually give in and admit some things are worth a few bucks.

Rationalize all you want. At the end of the day, your lack of self control and responsibility as a consumer is sponsoring shady business practices (specifically publisher - developer deals), systematic false advertising and consumer deception, and other more industry-specific trends which have been degrading gaming in general and RPGs in particular for the past decade.

 

[Lhynn]

But it seems to me your fix just made any upgrade to jumping unexciting in order to discourage now the improved rate of gaining xp in the skill which basically even more encourages abusing it?
Well, it would not be that bad, jumping is a really minor skill anyway, but I don't think this would be much of an improvement. The problem is still the same as making three thousand iron daggers in Skyrim.

Nope, nope it isnt, but its fixed in a similar way nonetheless.
When the problem is about numbers, you fix it with numbers, you dont just scrap the whole system youve been working on just because its exploitable as it is.
Besides, exploitable systems are fun at the cost of other elements game, so they can be a plus, as long as they dont break it.

 

[Clockwork Knight]

Why not scrap the sytem, though? To make a point? It's not as if it was even that good in the first place.

Geez, go suck a cock. I'm not even replaying PST, I'm playing it for the first time so it's fresh in my memory and I like the spell effects, that's why I mentioned it. And it's old so it appropriately demonstrates what could have been if Bethesda even slightly gave a shit. What the fuck should I say? Is it better to compare the spell effects to an anonymous example as not to fill up your faggot rage meter? what the fuck?

That was directed at your "If I wanted KKK I'd praise Skyrim" remark, which is so blatantly incorrect I'm wondering if you're not a troll alt.

I'm still utterly confused by that sentence from the witcher review. I understand why you're making fun of it but at the same time I think it's a nice way to say what the guy was trying to say.

It's meaningless hypespeak, something the guy came up with because "it's cool and I like it" doesn't sound professional enough. It's what I think of when people do that "I can't explain why, it was just better, maaaaan" thing.

 

[Lhynn]

Why not scrap the sytem, though? To make a point? It's not as if it was even that good in the first place.

I dont think its a bad system, just poorly implemented.

 

[Cadmus]

Why not scrap the sytem, though? To make a point? It's not as if it was even that good in the first place.

Geez, go suck a cock. I'm not even replaying PST, I'm playing it for the first time so it's fresh in my memory and I like the spell effects, that's why I mentioned it. And it's old so it appropriately demonstrates what could have been if Bethesda even slightly gave a shit. What the fuck should I say? Is it better to compare the spell effects to an anonymous example as not to fill up your faggot rage meter? what the fuck?

That was directed at your "If I wanted KKK I'd praise Skyrim" remark, which is so blatantly incorrect I'm wondering if you're not a troll alt.

I'm still utterly confused by that sentence from the witcher review. I understand why you're making fun of it but at the same time I think it's a nice way to say what the guy was trying to say.

It's meaningless hypespeak, something the guy came up with because "it's cool and I like it" doesn't sound professional enough. It's what I think of when people do that "I can't explain why, it was just better, maaaaan" thing.

At certain level a deeper analysis becomes tiresome and unnecessary. I think it's a nice alternative to saying "it's good" when you've already described what's good about it, as he had in the article if I remember correctly, no? I mean, come on. Speaking of alts, can anybody tell me who is Drog?

 

[Clockwork Knight]

http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/53068/

This mod changes the main theme song with an orchestrated version of Daft Punk's "Get Lucky".

♪♫ Listen Here ♪♫

edit: Aaaaaaand it's been removed. Copyright of parodies is serious business. It's some other mod now.

 

[Lemming42]

 

[AngryEddy]

So after enchanting some unarmed damage in to some cloth items, I'm having a huge amount of fun. I have no clue how they can go from New Vegas [which was made by Obsidian, but Zenimax is like an evil conglomerate at this point, how could they not be paying attention] which has an unarmed skill, to completely skipping out on it in Skyrim. They even have the concept of monks [Greybeards]; the fact that it would skip out on such a fun skill goes to show you how shitty the management and development team is at Bethesda.

 

[Delterius]

They even have the concept of monks [Greybeards];

There's a difference.

 

[bonescraper]

Jesus fucking christ.

I want to finish the goddamn game, but i can't play it without any overhaul mods. But here's my problem, every time i tried to play this fucking game i discovered after a while that weapon damage was all over the place. So, this time i installed Skyrim Redone only, no weapon mods (though i'd prefer to play with immersive weapons and amror). I immidietely went to a blacksmith to check weapon damage, and here's what i got:

Iron Hatchet - 9 dmg
Iron Club - 9 dmg
Iron Katana - 12 dmg
Iron Dagger - 16 dmg
Iron Broadsword - 22 dmg
Iron Greatsword 36 dmg

What the fuck. Seriously, wtf?

Help me Codex, you're my only hope.

In b4 install Requiem instead. Requiem is balanced around board and sword gameplay. I'm a sneaky thief/assassin, and i want to keep it this way.

 

[bonescraper]

BOWS ARE FOR COWARDS.

 

[XenomorphII]

Well, you can try to sneak up on people individually, or luring them away from their group, and then knifing them if you really want. It just takes time and patience.

 

[Clockwork Knight]

Help me Codex, you're my only hope.

I don't see much problem with a claymore being much more damaging than a shitty hatchet, but I use Weapons and Armor Fixes.

http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/34093/

In b4 install Requiem instead. Requiem is balanced around board and sword gameplay. I'm a sneaky thief/assassin, and i want to keep it this way.

 

[Xeon]

Vanilla assassin/thief is pretty overpowered. If you invest a few perks in Sneaking, You do 5 or 10 (can't remember) times bow damage while sneaking and 30 times with dagger more with the dark brotherhood gloves.

Its pretty fun at first, raiding places unnoticed killing everyone but kinda loses its appeal with no challenge.

 

[bonescraper]

That's why i can't play vanilla Skyrim.

Help me Codex, you're my only hope.

I don't see much problem with a claymore being much more damaging than a shitty hatchet, but I use Weapons and Armor Fixes.

http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/34093/

In b4 install Requiem instead. Requiem is balanced around board and sword gameplay. I'm a sneaky thief/assassin, and i want to keep it this way.

Dude... katana does less damage than a dagger, and hatchets and clubs are totally useless. Mind that daggers do crazy backstab damage, so what are those two first weapons for anyway?

Now i remembered that SkyRe also has a habit of randomly changing damage and armor values. Reload, and suddenly my armor and weapons have 30% increased/decreased stats.

Oh well, looks like i'll have to install Requiem instead. Too bad, i liked the SkyRe - Frostfall synergy idea...

 

[Turjan]

Paying for games is definitely the wrong thing to do.

That's not what I said. I said it's wrong to give money to Bethesda.

At the end of the day, your lack of self control and responsibility as a consumer...

Yeah, after playing the game for hundreds of hours, it's irresponsible to pay for it. Sounds about right...

 

[dextermorgan]

Yeah, after playing the game for hundreds of hours, it's irresponsible to pay for it. Sounds about right...

As long as you don't bitch about decline, knock yourself out.

I'd rather pirate Skyrim, if I was unable to resist playing it in the first place, and buy six keys for Underrail instead.

This is a choice. It has consequences too.

 

[Turjan]

I'd rather pirate Skyrim, if I was unable to resist playing it in the first place, and buy six keys for Underrail instead.

This is a choice. It has consequences too.

If you play a game like this for hundreds of hours - and let's not forget that was the scenario you were responding to - then such a reaction is hypocritical to the max.

 

[baturinsky]

I play SkyRe+Frostfall - feels great, much better than vanilla.

Have not noticed any jumps in armor or weapon damage values (except when I wear/remove gear with bonuses to skill).

Crafting skills were made a little less broken in SkyRe, but still too much issues. Alchemy is now pretty much useless, training enchanting and smithing is as grindy as before, etc.

 

[dextermorgan]

If you play a game like this for hundreds of hours - and let's not forget that was the scenario you were responding to - then such a reaction is hypocritical to the max.

It's hypocritical to the max if you're looking at things in black and white. It is my firm belief that denying money to Bethesda is entirely justified due to their deceptive marketing practices (which would draw a class action lawsuit in most other industries) alone, without even going into their the butchery they made of ES and Fallout. And it's not like doing so is hard, even if you lack self-control to abstain.

But I'm done derailing and moralizing. I'm sure there's plenty more to discuss in comparing explosive diarrhea and a fairly solid turd.

 

[Metro]

I got Underrail for like $0.10 via inclusion in a bundle. Deal with it~

 

[dextermorgan]

I got Underrail for like $0.10 via inclusion in a bundle. Deal with it~

Errr... Why would I have a problem with that?

 

[Turjan]

I got Underrail for like $0.10 via inclusion in a bundle. Deal with it~

Heh, same here.

Then again, I didn't pay much for Skyrim, either. I got it in that Gamesgate Christmas bundle, together with loads of other stuff.